I wonder why people think change will occur if they threat to leave.

I'm a DS3 user, and have absolutely no problem killing anyone in this game. How do you know who's using a KB/M and who isn't?

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How do you know who uses kbm? You surely haven't seen vids by them all nor asked them all - even if they would be telling the truth.

Sorry, on that subject I will believe only CCPs stats on control method and performance of each one's users.

I'm a DS3 user, and have absolutely no problem killing anyone in this game. How do you know who's using a KB/M and who isn't?

i use DS3 but i don't care if they kill me, sooner or later i find a way to take my revenge.

Especially easy to find THAT way for revenge when top kbm users will stack vs you in planetary conquest battle.

Just logic:

1. Your corp attack a district of strong enemy ally, and your corp strong enough and your corp have most ds3 users.

2. They know your corp strong, and get to this battle best of the best players. They have 1000 members in ally
Best of the best players of their ally - accidentally top kbm users

so:

1. You will fight vs 16 top kbm users, and have no chances
or
2. You call to this battle YOUR kbm users.

No future for you as ds3 user. Or you will lose, or just you dont play this battle.

p.s. the main problem is STACKING OF THEM in one team.

there's an awful high dependency on psychic power to read the minds of your opponents all over the world. perhaps your evaluation should, you know, use some sort of evidence to back your thesis?

there's an awful high dependency on psychic power to read the minds of your opponents all over the world. perhaps your evaluation should, you know, use some sort of evidence to back your thesis?

Youtube
This is quite enough ...
I can capture the rest of the benefits!

and for your next trick, you will actually test the mouse in uprising? since that was ass-end of chromosome you're showing there. Mouse got nerfed since then.

perhaps without accelerating the video?

kbm have better strafe
kbm have better aim speed and aim's accuracy

CCP do nothing about it

top kbm users can stack in one team and its impossible to win then in planetary conquest when most of my team is ds3 users.

If CCP will not balance kbm vs ds3 - i will leave dust 514 to battlefield 4 and wont back anymore.

Before someone will blame me in nooby crying - my KD 5.59 (caldari assault), i can win 90% of kbm users, but other 10% is over my skill. And this 10% can stack in one team in planetary conquest. And they do it.

I see no reason to compete with them. My skill will grow, and their skill will grow. And their advantage will exist always.

CCP you must understand - unbalanced controllers will kill your game. I like competition, i am veteran of PS3's shooters and i am your target auditory in this game. But unfair balance - killed my interest.

Everyone gamepad's user will understand it sooner or later, when begin play planetary conquest., and will leave dust514 to any fair game where all users play on one type of controller.

I will wait next major update this game, if situation will not changed - bye bye dust 514 for ever.

Ok, your KD and type of dropsuit? ;)

Except for the part KBM doesnt work like it normally should, ive said this before if KMB worked like it would in any PC FPS game, i would miss 1 out 10 shots, on Dust i miss 7 out of 10 shots. KBM is broken and until they fix it i can barely compete as it is. I am fine with playing a handicap.

We fought allot of times and the only times you posed a threat is if you ganged up on me with a dedicated 4 man team vs 1.

And this is with barely functional KBM implementation, maybe stop crying and get practicing, ive been playing shooters since 1992.

PS: its always funny to see someone who plays DS3 tell us they tried KBM and instantly got better, if that would be the case you would stick to KBM as an FPS player would use every single advantage they can get. If you never played KBM it will feel as alien for you as for us playing with a DS3.

and for your next trick, you will actually test the mouse in uprising? since that was ass-end of chromosome you're showing there. Mouse got nerfed since then.

perhaps without accelerating the video?

COD is that way -->

bf4

i will see how CCP will make reasons - why ds3 users must stay in dust 514 with so unfair balance if they have choice to play in FAIR AAA games.

kbm have better strafe
kbm have better aim speed and aim's accuracy

CCP do nothing about it

top kbm users can stack in one team and its impossible to win then in planetary conquest when most of my team is ds3 users.

If CCP will not balance kbm vs ds3 - i will leave dust 514 to battlefield 4 and wont back anymore.

Before someone will blame me in nooby crying - my KD 5.59 (caldari assault), i can win 90% of kbm users, but other 10% is over my skill. And this 10% can stack in one team in planetary conquest. And they do it.

I see no reason to compete with them. My skill will grow, and their skill will grow. And their advantage will exist always.

CCP you must understand - unbalanced controllers will kill your game. I like competition, i am veteran of PS3's shooters and i am your target auditory in this game. But unfair balance - killed my interest.

Everyone gamepad's user will understand it sooner or later, when begin play planetary conquest., and will leave dust514 to any fair game where all users play on one type of controller.

I will wait next major update this game, if situation will not changed - bye bye dust 514 for ever.

Question: Have you tried using the PS Move setup?

Developer Naughty Dog (Resistance and other games) observed in testing that Move players out-performed regular controller-users, leading to considering Move-specific match-making to accommodate.

Not saying Move IS better, but it may be that you can get on even ground with at least some of the remaining 10% KBM users.

I keep dreaming of a solid 60+ FPS, until then you will only see a shadow of what good KBM people can do, though i dont expect the framerate issues being fixed until the PS4.

You can always start using the Move? why is that control method never brought up ? Is it fine for DS3 users to dominate Move users but KBM users cant dominate DS3 ?

Its a shooter ffs, you should be striving to maximize your ingame potential, not play it like a couch potato and win vs someone serious at well you know winning.

I remember going to a Duke Nukem 3D tournament, and only playing Keyboard ....getting there and seeing people play Mouse + Keyboard, people where like dude use a mouse your soo at an disadvantage man ....i was like WTF a mouse is for Windows! ...and getting second place place regardless of their superiority, and i almost won if the final showdown had not been in a thight room and he had the rocket gloves on.

Fun times.

I dont want play with kbm. I have TV i have chair, and i see no reasons for find table, or buy chair with surface for mouse. And spent time for restore my skill with it totally.
Its PS3 and i made choice for ds3 years ago.

Example with MOVE is wrong. Almost all ps3 users have kbm experience on their computers, so its really easy to start use kbm for them. But we dont want it. Why CCP force us to do it? I better leave unfair game, than begin start use kbm.

when in dust 514 will thousands of move users, when skilled move users will can stack in one team - it WIL problem

top kbm users do it RIGHT NOW - and it is CURRENT problem.

I wonder what you are going to do with the PS4, since its almost a PC that just has a tag console, KBM will be coming to the console if they want some of the PC crowd on it.

Nice one, this post is based on absolutely NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.

Besides if you look at what ds3 users do to their controllers to get an advantage (Turbo being the most obvious, special buttons for Jump shotting and screws for better response buttons pressing, then i have serious questions about a guy using a modded controller to dominate people using regular controllers, but i guess thats fine in your books....

Nice one, this post is based on absolutely NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.

Where does it state KB/M users are more accurate? What company or game has ever researched this to a proper extend?
Its all bull-, i have played BF3 for a good long time. On the PC and PS3. That is the only game i know of, that actually looked at the PS3 stats and the PC stats on accuracy and headshot %, Bullets fired etc. And it appeared in BF3 the DS3 controller was always more accurate in statistics then the KB/M. So this Topic is officialy based on baloney.
Please back up your post with some evidence or some facts. Instead of based opinions. Most players that post stuff like this cant even use a KB/M in a shooter themselfs, and state its OP.
You do realize that some gamers have been playing with a KB/M when you were still holding a supernintendo controller.

I dont want play with kbm. I have TV i have chair, and i see no reasons for find table, or buy chair with surface for mouse. And spent time for restore my skill with it totally.
Its PS3 and i made choice for ds3 years ago..

Youtube
This is quite enough ...
I can capture the rest of the benefits!

this video is a fake.

1: the gun shifts faster for the keyboard portion of the vid than on the DS3 animation. The rifles animate at the exact same rate regardless of control input.

2: There is no motion interruption from the mouse user picking up the mouse and moving it back to the other side in the 360+ degree turn. There should be a motion stutter unless you were using a programmable mouse that can override in-game settings.

3: the second set is an accelerated visibly in the animation.

4: Mouse has reverse acceleration programmed into the interface by CCP, the faster you move the mouse the slower it goes. They put in a handicap for you crybabies. Shut up.

5: This topic has devolved into an echo chamber of lies on behalf of people who want KBM support eliminated from gaming.

6: Hulk The F**k Up

You're so full of crap it amuses the hell out of me.

Reverse accel means KB/M it's almost impossible to turn fast enough to catch a circle strafe jerk at point blank. Quit fabricating evidence to prove your point Because it's freaking obvious you accelerated the second half of that vid.

"Live" transmission my ass.

Live as in recorded four hours ago and edited so it shows what I want it to.

Your Evidence is as credible as Fox News.

why does the rifle still visibly move faster in your "mouse" demo?

why are you spinning the mouse so fast you get input error and the crosshairs fly all over the place extremely rapidly considered evidence of OPness?

Why do your fits move at different speeds?

Why does it look like the MCC projectiles move faster in the later half of the video?

Why do you claim this is a live feed when it's an obvious video upload?

Why can't you fabricate evidence that is believable to someone who pays attention enough to look both ways before crossing the street?

Then expect those who take the time to get a table and use mice to destroy you.

It isn't their fault that you are too lazy to be competitive.

Ok ok, all ds3 users will leave this game if CCP will not balance, or disable kbm support.

It would be ways better if CCP removes the reverse acceleration for mice and adds a fixed aiming speed for each weapon variant. Thus everything is on the same level and KB/M or MOVE users have no advantage.

Makes a good case to improve the mouse: we're the ones that will be paying them :-)

Topic based on no evidence, only speculations and opinions.
Give facts or gtfo.

@dalt ud

What are you suggesting? You want CCP solve your problem, but you dont give them any hint which way should they start.

Btw I played against you yesterday and it was nearly impossible to shoot you because of the advantage you have with ds3. You can move like Michael Jackson, and you cant do that with kb/m.

I dont see problem here, you can beat everyone with kb/m and for that 10% you talking about, figure out new tactic.

Soving - let CCP make control with gamepad like in battlefield 3.

BF3 gamepad sensitivity and controls is PERFECT.

Other solving method from bf3 - disable support kbm and ps move, then all people will in equal situation.

And, funny, but i think CCP will disable it sooner or later, when will see how many ds3 users leave this game.

Most of ds3 users just dont know what is top kbm users stacked in one team. When they will understand they have no chances in planetary conquest...

You wanna ragequit, go for it, we won't miss you, but they risk far more by killing keyboard and mouse support than by supporting it properly. At the end of the day, your baseless rambling is no more valid than a call to ban steering wheels in racing games; you're welcome to use whatever control scheme you want, just like everyone else.

when all control scheme will equal - it will good.

For now:
PS Move controls - is broken (if compare it with other PS3 shooters)
Ds3 controls - is broken (if compare it with other PS3 shooters)

kbm controls - not broken if compare it with ds3 and PS Move in dust 514. Just see sensitivity difference in Askull's video.

But if kbm users want play alone this game - let it be. Will see how long this game will exist on PS3 where 99% players play with ds3 in all type of games.

Who know, maybe kbm users buy enough AUR for CCP's profit and it is reason why CCP support them only now

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You are expert ds3 and kbm user, but many player are like me who not played fps on console before (i bought ps only for dust). I tried ds3 in the 1. month but it was not my tool, so switched to kbm.

If CCP disable kbm I will leave dust. Its my favorite game atm, and im highly addicted, but without kbm I cant play it. And I dont think im alone with this. Dust will survive in this condition because only a few ppl will leave because of the ds3. But if they disable kbm than huge amount of player will leave.

I support your idea to make ds3 like bf3 setting, but disable kbm would kill the game.

Ps.: sorry for grammar, writing on phone.

t ds3 and kbm user, but many player are like me who not played fps on console before (i bought ps only for dust). I tried ds3 in the 1. month but it was not my tool, so switched to kbm.

Dust will survive in this condition because only a few ppl will leave because of the ds3. But if they disable kbm than huge amount of player will leave.

I support your idea to make ds3 like bf3 setting

So yeah, get better. If you feel you hit the skill ceiling allowed by the controller and still get your sh!t slapped, maybe its time to step up your game.

I just dont want it. I bought ps3 for comfortable playing, and dont want use kbm at all.

I just dont want it. I bought ps3 for comfortable playing, and dont want use kbm at all.

And most of ps3's players have same opinion.

kbm have better strafe - i was wrong about strafe i tested and its same

but sensitivity of mouse really as minimum twice faster than ds3

kbm have better aim speed and aim's accuracyVideo 3:33

CCP do nothing about it

top kbm users can stack in one team and its impossible to win then in planetary conquest when most of my team is ds3 users.

If CCP will not balance kbm vs ds3 - i will leave dust 514 to battlefield 4 and wont back anymore.

Before someone will blame me in nooby crying - my KD 5.59 (caldari assault), i can win 90% of kbm users, but other 10% is over my skill. And this 10% can stack in one team in planetary conquest. And they do it.

I see no reason to compete with them. My skill will grow, and their skill will grow. And their advantage will exist always.

CCP you must understand - unbalanced controllers will kill your game. I like competition, i am veteran of PS3's shooters and i am your target auditory in this game. But unfair balance - killed my interest.

Everyone gamepad's user will understand it sooner or later, when begin play planetary conquest., and will leave dust514 to any fair game where all users play on one type of controller.

I will wait next major update this game, if situation will not changed - bye bye dust 514 for ever.

edit:
Before nerf or disable mouse - CCP must make fine controls for ds3. Because maybe it will enough.
And make right aim assist for CQC, coz weakpoint of gamepad playing is CQC. In Chromosome aim assist (and controls) worked good enough. Before blame ds3 users about "aim assist" try to play with gamepad. I need no aim assist with my ds3 to beat 90% of kbm users, but vs top kbm users ds3 is too weak in CQC :(

I created this thread coz CCP do nothing about it. Now controls with gamepad is broken if compare it even with Chromosome. If compare it with bf3 - we are gimps here :(

My team is full DS3 and i'm the only KBM user. Yet we do pretty fine in PC or anywhere else.
Also, know that at the moment, aiming with mouse is difficult due to latest changing in controls done with Uprising.

Finally, CCP is always tweaking DS3 acceleration and speed pattern. I know that for a fact.

The CQC problem you're mentionning exists for both kbm and ds3. As a matter of fact it's even worse for KBM than DS3 atm.

So hang ing there. And do trust me when i say that many top players are DS3 guys.

Awesome, can you let us know when CCP will stop trying to tweak our controls for us and just give us a screen full of sliders so we can control our own damned controls?

If you want comfortable and effortless recreation, play pub, or say, Cawadoody.

If you want to play with the PC proto big dawgs, you gotta step up your game.

My team is full DS3 and i'm the only KBM user. Yet we do pretty fine in PC or anywhere else.
Also, know that at the moment, aiming with mouse is difficult due to latest changing in controls done with Uprising.

Finally, CCP is always tweaking DS3 acceleration and speed pattern. I know that for a fact.

The CQC problem you're mentionning exists for both kbm and ds3. As a matter of fact it's even worse for KBM than DS3 atm.

So hang ing there. And do trust me when i say that many top players are DS3 guys.

If you want play on PS3 - play with gamepad. Thats all.

No one who like gamepad wanna play with sh!t like kbm.

I will play with the control scheme I want to play with, or not at all.

I will not play this game with a controller. It's awkward, sluggish, imprecise, and limited. I will not limit myself with a controller.

If you can't handle adapting to better control schemes; that is your problem, not ours.

Simply recognize that you don't want to lose the advantage.

Simply recognize that you don't want to lose the advantage.
Also don't forget that on KBM it is possible to use cheat - like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuZ55JpX6js

I will play with the control scheme I want to play with, or not at all.

I will not play this game with a controller. It's awkward, sluggish, imprecise, and limited. I will not limit myself with a controller.

If you can't handle adapting to better control schemes; that is your problem, not ours.

The only cheat I see is a guy with nearly 700 shields that start regenerating in seconds...ck.o bullsht

I think you have to accept the fact that some players are simply better than you and this whole threat is just a comfortable excuse.

Thats not 10%, its about 2-3% top and you ask CCP to disable kbm because of that 2-3%.

It sooo strange, but better players are kbm users (90%). So we returned to start of discussion.

Tracky play with kbm too.

And i know many of kbm users, and see how they play. Kbm have advantage, dont try lie here. See Askull's video, and its obvious - skilled guy always use advantage of sensitivity.

Proof?

Nope. Traky plays with a DS3 dude ^^

So are Olssam, itchi, and such. Dont ask me how they do, it's just a mystery to me.
Truth is, those guy suck with a KBM.

impossible to give, i just asked guys what controller type they use.

Only way to ask CCP show us % of kbm users in top 1000 of players. No, better if they show % of kbm users among guys with KD 5+ and 10 000+ kills

Simply recognize that you don't want to lose the advantage.
Also don't forget that on KBM it is possible to use cheat - like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuZ55JpX6js

It's not that bad, dalt ud.

I'm a kbm guy, and I see you ds3 guys circle strafing all the time.

kbm gives us faster target acquisition speed, but you guys can aim almost as fast, and you have better and smoother movements, with your left joystick.

Circle strafing with W,A,S,D isn't usually very efficient. Often we just hit A,S and S, D, or just A and D, but the strafing motion is never as precise as yours.

Just shoot at us, and we die.

Its hard for me to use english to show what i mean clearly :(

KBM users and DS3 users must push to CCP to make FINE controls for ds3.

Why both? Coz if ds3 controls will fine - maybe no one will ask about nerf kbm.

I hate kb/m for dropsuit gameplay. I can't aim for **** with it. But, I do like it for my tanks. I can still kill people quite well with my freefit scout suit and shotgun, even if I know that person is using a kb/m. I don't see what the fuss is about....

The steering wheel is the best for racing games.

The fuzz its all about is that its unfair the advantage isnt on their side, if it would have been on their side, it would have been fair.

However KBM is broken atm, so there really is no advantage atm.

Actually most top lap times in Forza3/4 are done with a controller explicitly, since they implemented some "hidden" helpers that are disabled using steering wheel.
So yes wheel for "realism", but not necessary top performance in certain game disciplines.

I find this discussion rather focused on "Top" performing PC FPS players. What about all the mediocre or "bad" FPS players? I bet we, yeah i include myself, make up the biggest part of the paying communities. From my point of view DS3/KBM are both subpar to most big FPS, but still acceptable. I tested both and in the end i only was better with KBM as sniper, while DS3 + TV/Couch was more comfortable to use overall.

So DS3 and KBM needs improvements to get closer to other FPS, so CCP should study those more closely.

I would like to see a improved "aim assist", since in MW2/BF3 i can hit things much better and more consistent.

Actually most top lap times in Forza3/4 are done with a controller explicitly, since they implemented some "hidden" helpers that are disabled using steering wheel.
So yes wheel for "realism", but not necessary top performance in certain game disciplines.

I find this discussion rather focused on "Top" performing PC FPS players. What about all the mediocre or "bad" FPS players? I bet we, yeah i include myself, make up the biggest part of the paying communities. From my point of view DS3/KBM are both subpar to most big FPS, but still acceptable. I tested both and in the end i only was better with KBM as sniper, while DS3 + TV/Couch was more comfortable to use overall.

So DS3 and KBM needs improvements to get closer to other FPS, so CCP should study those more closely.

I would like to see a improved "aim assist", since in MW2/BF3 i can hit things much better and more consistent.

We all remember unstoppable crying when mouse was broken at 6th of may.

And gamepad controls is broken too now. In Chromosome it was better, and i didnt create threads like this, coz it was playable.

Now ds3 controls is bad. So kbm still have advantage.

As to your own experience, that's the very point here: YOUR skill is far more important than the controls' innate superiority. If you suck with a mouse and rock with a controller, what is the result going to be when using a mouse? The same goes for the other way around. Make it all available, use what you like. The cases where choice of controls decided the fight are exceedingly rare.

In GT5 academy best times were made with a wheel, the winners now drive real cars in real races, i doubt that a pad can be better than a wheel without hidden helpers.

On 6 the may, i have no idea what they did to the controlls but it was something ive never felt in my entire life, X & Y axis out of sync, acceleration + random decceleration etc etc ...


But you don't seem to get it, KBM is broken so right now there is NO advantage to get.

Yesterday i played War Z, a shooter on PC and i dropshotted while turning 180 degree a guy at 40m behind a fence in the face who shot at me and already hit me twice in the back with a AK74 Semi who had the upper hand over me and to top it off this was on even terrain, i used a 9mm pistol.

While i had to drop for cover, turn around 180 degrees, find the person, aim at him and pull the trigger before he got his third shot off.

Idd be lucky to get 180 degree turnaround in Dust by the time the third shot hits.


If Dust had 60+ solid FPS, No input lag, ADS & Regular sensetivity sliders, programmable buttons for my 12 button mouse and prone mode, yes then you would have merit crying about it, but right now i play 20% skill here and rest is luck.

That kind of instant turnaround and dropshotting manuever thing is what CCP is deliberately trying to avoid I believe.
It's similar to the old-school CSS bhopping. It was not an intended mechanic for fps gameplay. Just something people do because it can be done. Not denying the skill involved, but doing that really is more of an exploit than a strategy, no matter how much skill is involved.

This is true, in driving games like GT5, a counter-steer feature is introduced in gamepads, to prevent people from instantly steering themselves into walls from D-Pad or joystick input.
This feature is removed when using a wheel in GT5, so realistic car control is attained and better lap times are possible. Simply because the wheel allows from superior precision.

In the case of Dust, a simple reverse-acceleration feature for the mouse, and a stronger acceleration for the DS3 stick can help balance average target acquisition speeds for the two inputs, but removal of kb/m input would needlessly grief a bunch of us.
I personally can't use a ds3 for ****.

changes will occur when most of ds3 users will leave this game, but it will too late. I know many most active ds3 usres, who play PC - think about it already.

CCP choosed ps3 as main platform, and do nothing for ds3 users. Good luck for them with looking for millions of kbm users on ps3 :)

Maybe i am wrong, and not many people understand what i said, maybe not. Only way to say it here, so i did.