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dalt ud
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Posted - 2013.05.24 22:31:00 -
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kbm have better strafe kbm have better aim speed and aim's accuracy
CCP do nothing about it
top kbm users can stack in one team and its impossible to win then in planetary conquest when most of my team is ds3 users.
If CCP will not balance kbm vs ds3 - i will leave dust 514 to battlefield 4 and wont back anymore.
Before someone will blame me in nooby crying - my KD 5.59, i can win 90% of kbm users, but other 10% is over my skill. And this 10% can stack in one team in planetary conquest. And they do it.
I see no reason to compete with them. My skill will grow, and their skill will grow. And their advantage will exist always.
CCP you must understand - unbalanced controllers will kill your game. I like competition, i am veteran of PS3's shooters and i am your target auditory in this game. But unfair balance - killed my interest.
Everyone gamepad's user will understand it sooner or later, when begin play planetary conquest., and will leave dust514 to any fair game where all users play on one type of controller.
I will wait next major update this game, if situation will not changed - bye bye dust 514 for ever. |
137H4RGIC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.24 22:40:00 -
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I wonder why people think change will occur if they threat to leave. |
dalt ud
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Posted - 2013.05.24 22:44:00 -
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137H4RGIC wrote:I wonder why people think change will occur if they threat to leave.
changes will occur when most of ds3 users will leave this game, but it will too late. I know many most active ds3 usres, who play PC - think about it already.
Maybe i am wrong, and not many people understand what i said, maybe not. Only way to say it here, so i did. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.24 23:39:00 -
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kb/m have always been better than any pad in FPS. the steering wheel is better for racing games. The only balance they can do is separating categories by their input but i don't think it's a good idea. Another way is eliminate support to kb/m, it's a PS3 everybody have PS3 pad, but in this way a lot of kb/m users will leave the game. |
Raxsus Lannister
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.24 23:48:00 -
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I'm a DS3 user, and have absolutely no problem killing anyone in this game. How do you know who's using a KB/M and who isn't? |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.24 23:55:00 -
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Raxsus Lannister wrote:I'm a DS3 user, and have absolutely no problem killing anyone in this game. How do you know who's using a KB/M and who isn't?
you can see the difference in strafing, the kb/m is faster, for a normal strafing they only have to press A,D. i use DS3 but i don't care if they kill me, sooner or later i find a way to take my revenge.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.25 02:05:00 -
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How do you know who uses kbm? You surely haven't seen vids by them all nor asked them all - even if they would be telling the truth.
Sorry, on that subject I will believe only CCPs stats on control method and performance of each one's users.
As I've used both (six months pad, six months kbm) I can say they are fairly even - although not totally. I agree that kbm has slight advantage and that's why I'm using that now.
But on the other hand, some things are worse on kbm. Most of those are actually bugs so they really cannot be relied on as balancing method....
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dalt ud
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Posted - 2013.05.25 09:19:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:How do you know who uses kbm? You surely haven't seen vids by them all nor asked them all - even if they would be telling the truth. Sorry, on that subject I will believe only CCPs stats on control method and performance of each one's users.
It very easy. Strafe in close combat show it clearly. Turning speed and etc.
And i tested kbm, it much more easy to play.
And CCP dont show this stats to us. They do nothing, tell nothing.... so you believe in nothing. |
dalt ud
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Posted - 2013.05.25 09:20:00 -
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Raxsus Lannister wrote:I'm a DS3 user, and have absolutely no problem killing anyone in this game. How do you know who's using a KB/M and who isn't?
Ok, your KD and type of dropsuit? ;) |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.25 09:28:00 -
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yes because mouse input having a reversal that slows the turn speed below the DS3's turn speed is so very OP.
Bravo, you have won the internet with your masterful and compelling OP. Why you didn't require evidence or math at all to prove that KB/M is now overpowered!
It's idiots that posted like you that made sure anyone playing KB/M cannot accurately track a circle-strafer in close. OMG! The bad man doesn't play like me!!!
THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED! NERF THE ALTERNATE PLAYSTYLE NOW BEFORE IT CAN SUCCEED! |
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dalt ud
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Posted - 2013.05.25 09:40:00 -
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shaman oga wrote: i use DS3 but i don't care if they kill me, sooner or later i find a way to take my revenge.
Especially easy to find THAT way for revenge when top kbm users will stack vs you in planetary conquest battle.
Just logic:
1. Your corp attack a district of strong enemy ally, and your corp strong enough and your corp have most ds3 users.
2. They know your corp strong, and get to this battle best of the best players. They have 1000 members in ally Best of the best players of their ally - accidentally top kbm users
so:
1. You will fight vs 16 top kbm users, and have no chances or 2. You call to this battle YOUR kbm users.
No future for you as ds3 user. Or you will lose, or just you dont play this battle.
p.s. the main problem is STACKING OF THEM in one team. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.25 09:48:00 -
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dalt ud wrote:shaman oga wrote: i use DS3 but i don't care if they kill me, sooner or later i find a way to take my revenge.
Especially easy to find THAT way for revenge when top kbm users will stack vs you in planetary conquest battle. Just logic: 1. Your corp attack a district of strong enemy ally, and your corp strong enough and your corp have most ds3 users. 2. They know your corp strong, and get to this battle best of the best players. They have 1000 members in ally Best of the best players of their ally - accidentally top kbm users so: 1. You will fight vs 16 top kbm users, and have no chances or 2. You call to this battle YOUR kbm users. No future for you as ds3 user. Or you will lose, or just you dont play this battle. p.s. the main problem is STACKING OF THEM in one team.
there's an awful high dependency on psychic power to read the minds of your opponents all over the world. perhaps your evaluation should, you know, use some sort of evidence to back your thesis?
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AskuII Legend
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Posted - 2013.05.25 10:36:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:
there's an awful high dependency on psychic power to read the minds of your opponents all over the world. perhaps your evaluation should, you know, use some sort of evidence to back your thesis?
Youtube This is quite enough ... I can capture the rest of the benefits! |
dalt ud
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Posted - 2013.05.25 10:57:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote: there's an awful high dependency on psychic power to read the minds of your opponents all over the world. perhaps your evaluation should, you know, use some sort of evidence to back your thesis?
Its not just abstraction.
My corp had PC battles, we won the first battles. On second battle enemy ally GOT best of the best players. As minimum half of them was kbm users., probably more (i saw how they played, they obvious had kbm users)
If they need best players - they WILL get best players. and it will kbm players.
Where place of ds3 users?
If we want to win strong ally who have many kbm users - we must find our own kbm users with same skill.
So where MY fun as ds3 users? Or our corp play without ds3 users, or our corp cannot win. Its really simple. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.25 10:57:00 -
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AskuII Legend wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:
there's an awful high dependency on psychic power to read the minds of your opponents all over the world. perhaps your evaluation should, you know, use some sort of evidence to back your thesis?
YoutubeThis is quite enough ... I can capture the rest of the benefits!
and for your next trick, you will actually test the mouse in uprising? since that was ass-end of chromosome you're showing there. Mouse got nerfed since then.
perhaps without accelerating the video?
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dalt ud
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Posted - 2013.05.25 11:00:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:AskuII Legend wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:
there's an awful high dependency on psychic power to read the minds of your opponents all over the world. perhaps your evaluation should, you know, use some sort of evidence to back your thesis?
YoutubeThis is quite enough ... I can capture the rest of the benefits! and for your next trick, you will actually test the mouse in uprising? since that was ass-end of chromosome you're showing there. Mouse got nerfed since then. perhaps without accelerating the video?
lol, are you blind?
see to the ground - where you saw the grass in Chromosome build? |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.05.25 11:06:00 -
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dalt ud wrote:kbm have better strafe kbm have better aim speed and aim's accuracy
CCP do nothing about it
top kbm users can stack in one team and its impossible to win then in planetary conquest when most of my team is ds3 users.
If CCP will not balance kbm vs ds3 - i will leave dust 514 to battlefield 4 and wont back anymore.
Before someone will blame me in nooby crying - my KD 5.59 (caldari assault), i can win 90% of kbm users, but other 10% is over my skill. And this 10% can stack in one team in planetary conquest. And they do it.
I see no reason to compete with them. My skill will grow, and their skill will grow. And their advantage will exist always.
CCP you must understand - unbalanced controllers will kill your game. I like competition, i am veteran of PS3's shooters and i am your target auditory in this game. But unfair balance - killed my interest.
Everyone gamepad's user will understand it sooner or later, when begin play planetary conquest., and will leave dust514 to any fair game where all users play on one type of controller.
I will wait next major update this game, if situation will not changed - bye bye dust 514 for ever.
Except for the part KBM doesnt work like it normally should, ive said this before if KMB worked like it would in any PC FPS game, i would miss 1 out 10 shots, on Dust i miss 7 out of 10 shots. KBM is broken and until they fix it i can barely compete as it is. I am fine with playing a handicap.
We fought allot of times and the only times you posed a threat is if you ganged up on me with a dedicated 4 man team vs 1.
And this is with barely functional KBM implementation, maybe stop crying and get practicing, ive been playing shooters since 1992.
PS: its always funny to see someone who plays DS3 tell us they tried KBM and instantly got better, if that would be the case you would stick to KBM as an FPS player would use every single advantage they can get. If you never played KBM it will feel as alien for you as for us playing with a DS3.
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Raxsus Lannister
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.25 11:09:00 -
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dalt ud wrote:Raxsus Lannister wrote:I'm a DS3 user, and have absolutely no problem killing anyone in this game. How do you know who's using a KB/M and who isn't? Ok, your KD and type of dropsuit? ;)
I was sitting at a 4.40 as a heavy last build, now I'm sitting at 4.20-4.25 as an Amarr assault, and before you ask no I don't use the TAC. |
dalt ud
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Posted - 2013.05.25 11:17:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:dalt ud wrote:kbm have better strafe kbm have better aim speed and aim's accuracy
CCP do nothing about it
top kbm users can stack in one team and its impossible to win then in planetary conquest when most of my team is ds3 users.
If CCP will not balance kbm vs ds3 - i will leave dust 514 to battlefield 4 and wont back anymore.
Before someone will blame me in nooby crying - my KD 5.59 (caldari assault), i can win 90% of kbm users, but other 10% is over my skill. And this 10% can stack in one team in planetary conquest. And they do it.
I see no reason to compete with them. My skill will grow, and their skill will grow. And their advantage will exist always.
CCP you must understand - unbalanced controllers will kill your game. I like competition, i am veteran of PS3's shooters and i am your target auditory in this game. But unfair balance - killed my interest.
Everyone gamepad's user will understand it sooner or later, when begin play planetary conquest., and will leave dust514 to any fair game where all users play on one type of controller.
I will wait next major update this game, if situation will not changed - bye bye dust 514 for ever. Except for the part KBM doesnt work like it normally should, ive said this before if KMB worked like it would in any PC FPS game, i would miss 1 out 10 shots, on Dust i miss 7 out of 10 shots. KBM is broken and until they fix it i can barely compete as it is. I am fine with playing a handicap. We fought allot of times and the only times you posed a threat is if you ganged up on me with a dedicated 4 man team vs 1. And this is with barely functional KBM implementation, maybe stop crying and get practicing, ive been playing shooters since 1992. PS: its always funny to see someone who plays DS3 tell us they tried KBM and instantly got better, if that would be the case you would stick to KBM as an FPS player would use every single advantage they can get. If you never played KBM it will feel as alien for you as for us playing with a DS3.
ds3 is not work properly too now. In chromosome it work better. CCP nerfed both controllers and mouse still have advantage anyway.
And i play network shooters since 1997 duke nukem, doom, quake 1, UT, quake 3. Do you think i have no skill with kbm?
I am 6 year playing shooters in PS3, and before it 10 years playing shooters with kbm on Personal Computer
I know BOTH types, i choosed ps3 because ds3 more comfortable, and i got limit of skill with this device. I can win 90% of kbm users in dust 514, but 10% of top users is over my skill. 10% its hunderds of them, and they can easy stack in one team (in one ally as example) - and all this team over my skill.
2-3 top kbm users per each team - is no problem. But stacking of them - is great problem for ds3 users.
Or CCP dont let stack kbm users (i have no idea how they can do it), or balance it. I will accept both ways. |
AskuII Legend
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
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Posted - 2013.05.25 11:18:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:
and for your next trick, you will actually test the mouse in uprising? since that was ass-end of chromosome you're showing there. Mouse got nerfed since then.
perhaps without accelerating the video?
lol, in video - one flag (Domination). Mouse and DS3 got nerfed in Uprising. Accelerating the video? lol |
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dalt ud
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Posted - 2013.05.25 11:21:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote: COD is that way -->
bf4
i will see how CCP will make reasons - why ds3 users must stay in dust 514 with so unfair balance if they have choice to play in FAIR AAA games. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.05.25 11:33:00 -
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dalt ud wrote:Rei Shepard wrote: COD is that way -->
bf4 i will see how CCP will make reasons - why ds3 users must stay in dust 514 with so unfair balance if they have choice to play in FAIR AAA games.
I keep dreaming of a solid 60+ FPS, until then you will only see a shadow of what good KBM people can do, though i dont expect the framerate issues being fixed until the PS4.
You can always start using the Move? why is that control method never brought up ? Is it fine for DS3 users to dominate Move users but KBM users cant dominate DS3 ?
Its a shooter ffs, you should be striving to maximize your ingame potential, not play it like a couch potato and win vs someone serious at well you know winning.
I remember going to a Duke Nukem 3D tournament, and only playing Keyboard ....getting there and seeing people play Mouse + Keyboard, people where like dude use a mouse your soo at an disadvantage man ....i was like WTF a mouse is for Windows! ...and getting second place place regardless of their superiority, and i almost won if the final showdown had not been in a thight room and he had the rocket gloves on.
Fun times. |
G Torq
ALTA B2O
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Posted - 2013.05.25 11:34:00 -
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dalt ud wrote:kbm have better strafe kbm have better aim speed and aim's accuracy
CCP do nothing about it
top kbm users can stack in one team and its impossible to win then in planetary conquest when most of my team is ds3 users.
If CCP will not balance kbm vs ds3 - i will leave dust 514 to battlefield 4 and wont back anymore.
Before someone will blame me in nooby crying - my KD 5.59 (caldari assault), i can win 90% of kbm users, but other 10% is over my skill. And this 10% can stack in one team in planetary conquest. And they do it.
I see no reason to compete with them. My skill will grow, and their skill will grow. And their advantage will exist always.
CCP you must understand - unbalanced controllers will kill your game. I like competition, i am veteran of PS3's shooters and i am your target auditory in this game. But unfair balance - killed my interest.
Everyone gamepad's user will understand it sooner or later, when begin play planetary conquest., and will leave dust514 to any fair game where all users play on one type of controller.
I will wait next major update this game, if situation will not changed - bye bye dust 514 for ever. Question: Have you tried using the PS Move setup?
Developer Naughty Dog (Resistance and other games) observed in testing that Move players out-performed regular controller-users, leading to considering Move-specific match-making to accommodate.
Not saying Move IS better, but it may be that you can get on even ground with at least some of the remaining 10% KBM users. |
dalt ud
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Posted - 2013.05.25 11:43:00 -
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G Torq wrote:dalt ud wrote:kbm have better strafe kbm have better aim speed and aim's accuracy
CCP do nothing about it
top kbm users can stack in one team and its impossible to win then in planetary conquest when most of my team is ds3 users.
If CCP will not balance kbm vs ds3 - i will leave dust 514 to battlefield 4 and wont back anymore.
Before someone will blame me in nooby crying - my KD 5.59 (caldari assault), i can win 90% of kbm users, but other 10% is over my skill. And this 10% can stack in one team in planetary conquest. And they do it.
I see no reason to compete with them. My skill will grow, and their skill will grow. And their advantage will exist always.
CCP you must understand - unbalanced controllers will kill your game. I like competition, i am veteran of PS3's shooters and i am your target auditory in this game. But unfair balance - killed my interest.
Everyone gamepad's user will understand it sooner or later, when begin play planetary conquest., and will leave dust514 to any fair game where all users play on one type of controller.
I will wait next major update this game, if situation will not changed - bye bye dust 514 for ever. Question: Have you tried using the PS Move setup? Developer Naughty Dog (Resistance and other games) observed in testing that Move players out-performed regular controller-users, leading to considering Move-specific match-making to accommodate. Not saying Move IS better, but it may be that you can get on even ground with at least some of the remaining 10% KBM users.
when in this game will thousands of them, like kbm - it WILL problem.
i see no problem if enemy team have 2-3 top kbm users. I see problem when they stack together.
And you dont quite understand, when most active ds3 users will leave this game - game will die. Coz obviously PS3 is wrong platform to find much kbm users.
So balance kbm vs ds3 - is OUR problem, not ds3's users only.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
117
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Posted - 2013.05.25 11:51:00 -
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the only way to balance is separate or eliminate support to kbm, it hurts but i think it's the only way. |
October SnowFox
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Posted - 2013.05.25 11:52:00 -
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dalt ud
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Posted - 2013.05.25 11:54:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:dalt ud wrote:Rei Shepard wrote: COD is that way -->
bf4 i will see how CCP will make reasons - why ds3 users must stay in dust 514 with so unfair balance if they have choice to play in FAIR AAA games. I keep dreaming of a solid 60+ FPS, until then you will only see a shadow of what good KBM people can do, though i dont expect the framerate issues being fixed until the PS4. You can always start using the Move? why is that control method never brought up ? Is it fine for DS3 users to dominate Move users but KBM users cant dominate DS3 ? Its a shooter ffs, you should be striving to maximize your ingame potential, not play it like a couch potato and win vs someone serious at well you know winning. I remember going to a Duke Nukem 3D tournament, and only playing Keyboard ....getting there and seeing people play Mouse + Keyboard, people where like dude use a mouse your soo at an disadvantage man ....i was like WTF a mouse is for Windows! ...and getting second place place regardless of their superiority, and i almost won if the final showdown had not been in a thight room and he had the rocket gloves on. Fun times.
I dont want play with kbm. I have TV i have chair, and i see no reasons for find table, or buy chair with surface for mouse. And spent time for restore my skill with it totally. Its PS3 and i made choice for ds3 years ago.
Example with MOVE is wrong. Almost all ps3 users have kbm experience on their computers, so its really easy to start use kbm for them. But we dont want it. Why CCP force us to do it? I better leave unfair game, than begin start use kbm.
when in dust 514 will thousands of move users, when skilled move users will can stack in one team - it WIL problem
top kbm users do it RIGHT NOW - and it is CURRENT problem. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.05.25 12:00:00 -
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dalt ud wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:dalt ud wrote:Rei Shepard wrote: COD is that way -->
bf4 i will see how CCP will make reasons - why ds3 users must stay in dust 514 with so unfair balance if they have choice to play in FAIR AAA games. I keep dreaming of a solid 60+ FPS, until then you will only see a shadow of what good KBM people can do, though i dont expect the framerate issues being fixed until the PS4. You can always start using the Move? why is that control method never brought up ? Is it fine for DS3 users to dominate Move users but KBM users cant dominate DS3 ? Its a shooter ffs, you should be striving to maximize your ingame potential, not play it like a couch potato and win vs someone serious at well you know winning. I remember going to a Duke Nukem 3D tournament, and only playing Keyboard ....getting there and seeing people play Mouse + Keyboard, people where like dude use a mouse your soo at an disadvantage man ....i was like WTF a mouse is for Windows! ...and getting second place place regardless of their superiority, and i almost won if the final showdown had not been in a thight room and he had the rocket gloves on. Fun times. I dont want play with kbm. I have TV i have chair, and i see no reasons for find table, or buy chair with surface for mouse. And spent time for restore my skill with it totally. Its PS3 and i made choice for ds3 years ago. Example with MOVE is wrong. Almost all ps3 users have kbm experience on their computers, so its really easy to start use kbm for them. But we dont want it. Why CCP force us to do it? I better leave unfair game, than begin start use kbm. when in dust 514 will thousands of move users, when skilled move users will can stack in one team - it WIL problem top kbm users do it RIGHT NOW - and it is CURRENT problem.
I wonder what you are going to do with the PS4, since its almost a PC that just has a tag console, KBM will be coming to the console if they want some of the PC crowd on it.
I doubt Destiny will just use a controller either.
Besides if you look at what ds3 users do to their controllers to get an advantage (Turbo being the most obvious, special buttons for Jump shotting and screws for better response buttons pressing, then i have serious questions about a guy using a modded controller to dominate people using regular controllers, but i guess thats fine in your books.... |
AskuII Legend
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Posted - 2013.05.25 12:09:00 -
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lol, The Turbo button does not work in BF3 and other Good Games... In CoD and DUST 514 - it works. You know what I mean? Hint - the games a little @#$% ... |
Acturus Galaxy
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2013.05.25 15:11:00 -
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I agree, this is a problem with Dust and will most likely turn normal ps3 gamers away. I have played against dalt ud and he is really good and you can see that he is playing with a ds3 and not a keyboard/mouse setup compared with some other users and how they strafe and track you. The difference is obvious if you have tried both input methods for a considerable time.
I am loosing interest as I have to play with my ds3/mouse setup to be able to compete on a high level. To me it is just so much easier with the mouse being more accurate and having the increased turning speed which is needed in cqc. My problem is that I put myself at an disadvantage only using the ds3 and feel like cheating when I attach my mouse giving me an advantage over the ds3 only players. |
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