impossible to give, i just asked guys what controller type they use.

Only way to ask CCP show us % of kbm users in top 1000 of players. No, better if they show % of kbm users among guys with KD 5+ and 10 000+ kills

Simply recognize that you don't want to lose the advantage.
Also don't forget that on KBM it is possible to use cheat - like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuZ55JpX6js

It's not that bad, dalt ud.

I'm a kbm guy, and I see you ds3 guys circle strafing all the time.

kbm gives us faster target acquisition speed, but you guys can aim almost as fast, and you have better and smoother movements, with your left joystick.

Circle strafing with W,A,S,D isn't usually very efficient. Often we just hit A,S and S, D, or just A and D, but the strafing motion is never as precise as yours.

Just shoot at us, and we die.

Its hard for me to use english to show what i mean clearly :(

KBM users and DS3 users must push to CCP to make FINE controls for ds3.

Why both? Coz if ds3 controls will fine - maybe no one will ask about nerf kbm.

I hate kb/m for dropsuit gameplay. I can't aim for **** with it. But, I do like it for my tanks. I can still kill people quite well with my freefit scout suit and shotgun, even if I know that person is using a kb/m. I don't see what the fuss is about....

The steering wheel is the best for racing games.

The fuzz its all about is that its unfair the advantage isnt on their side, if it would have been on their side, it would have been fair.

However KBM is broken atm, so there really is no advantage atm.

Actually most top lap times in Forza3/4 are done with a controller explicitly, since they implemented some "hidden" helpers that are disabled using steering wheel.
So yes wheel for "realism", but not necessary top performance in certain game disciplines.

I find this discussion rather focused on "Top" performing PC FPS players. What about all the mediocre or "bad" FPS players? I bet we, yeah i include myself, make up the biggest part of the paying communities. From my point of view DS3/KBM are both subpar to most big FPS, but still acceptable. I tested both and in the end i only was better with KBM as sniper, while DS3 + TV/Couch was more comfortable to use overall.

So DS3 and KBM needs improvements to get closer to other FPS, so CCP should study those more closely.

I would like to see a improved "aim assist", since in MW2/BF3 i can hit things much better and more consistent.

Actually most top lap times in Forza3/4 are done with a controller explicitly, since they implemented some "hidden" helpers that are disabled using steering wheel.
So yes wheel for "realism", but not necessary top performance in certain game disciplines.

I find this discussion rather focused on "Top" performing PC FPS players. What about all the mediocre or "bad" FPS players? I bet we, yeah i include myself, make up the biggest part of the paying communities. From my point of view DS3/KBM are both subpar to most big FPS, but still acceptable. I tested both and in the end i only was better with KBM as sniper, while DS3 + TV/Couch was more comfortable to use overall.

So DS3 and KBM needs improvements to get closer to other FPS, so CCP should study those more closely.

I would like to see a improved "aim assist", since in MW2/BF3 i can hit things much better and more consistent.

We all remember unstoppable crying when mouse was broken at 6th of may.

And gamepad controls is broken too now. In Chromosome it was better, and i didnt create threads like this, coz it was playable.

Now ds3 controls is bad. So kbm still have advantage.

As to your own experience, that's the very point here: YOUR skill is far more important than the controls' innate superiority. If you suck with a mouse and rock with a controller, what is the result going to be when using a mouse? The same goes for the other way around. Make it all available, use what you like. The cases where choice of controls decided the fight are exceedingly rare.

In GT5 academy best times were made with a wheel, the winners now drive real cars in real races, i doubt that a pad can be better than a wheel without hidden helpers.

On 6 the may, i have no idea what they did to the controlls but it was something ive never felt in my entire life, X & Y axis out of sync, acceleration + random decceleration etc etc ...


But you don't seem to get it, KBM is broken so right now there is NO advantage to get.

Yesterday i played War Z, a shooter on PC and i dropshotted while turning 180 degree a guy at 40m behind a fence in the face who shot at me and already hit me twice in the back with a AK74 Semi who had the upper hand over me and to top it off this was on even terrain, i used a 9mm pistol.

While i had to drop for cover, turn around 180 degrees, find the person, aim at him and pull the trigger before he got his third shot off.

Idd be lucky to get 180 degree turnaround in Dust by the time the third shot hits.


If Dust had 60+ solid FPS, No input lag, ADS & Regular sensetivity sliders, programmable buttons for my 12 button mouse and prone mode, yes then you would have merit crying about it, but right now i play 20% skill here and rest is luck.

That kind of instant turnaround and dropshotting manuever thing is what CCP is deliberately trying to avoid I believe.
It's similar to the old-school CSS bhopping. It was not an intended mechanic for fps gameplay. Just something people do because it can be done. Not denying the skill involved, but doing that really is more of an exploit than a strategy, no matter how much skill is involved.

This is true, in driving games like GT5, a counter-steer feature is introduced in gamepads, to prevent people from instantly steering themselves into walls from D-Pad or joystick input.
This feature is removed when using a wheel in GT5, so realistic car control is attained and better lap times are possible. Simply because the wheel allows from superior precision.

In the case of Dust, a simple reverse-acceleration feature for the mouse, and a stronger acceleration for the DS3 stick can help balance average target acquisition speeds for the two inputs, but removal of kb/m input would needlessly grief a bunch of us.
I personally can't use a ds3 for ****.

changes will occur when most of ds3 users will leave this game, but it will too late. I know many most active ds3 usres, who play PC - think about it already.

CCP choosed ps3 as main platform, and do nothing for ds3 users. Good luck for them with looking for millions of kbm users on ps3 :)

Maybe i am wrong, and not many people understand what i said, maybe not. Only way to say it here, so i did.