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Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.25 15:29:00 -
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The KB/Mouse in game option should have been left out from the beginning to create balance. After trying it myself, I found my aim improve by leaps and bounds. I had to return to the DS3. I didn't give the KB/Mouse practice time to adjust to the movement but the aiming was awesome! I would prefer to not play against anyone using that much aim assistance which the KB/Mouse offers. |
Infekti0n
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
34
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Posted - 2013.05.25 15:44:00 -
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Nice one, this post is based on absolutely NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.
Where does it state KB/M users are more accurate? What company or game has ever researched this to a proper extend? Its all bull-, i have played BF3 for a good long time. On the PC and PS3. That is the only game i know of, that actually looked at the PS3 stats and the PC stats on accuracy and headshot %, Bullets fired etc. And it appeared in BF3 the DS3 controller was always more accurate in statistics then the KB/M. So this post is officialy based on baloney. Please back up your post with some evidence or some facts. Instead of based opinions. Most players that post stuff like this cant even use a KB/M in a shooter themselfs, and state its OP. You do realize that some gamers have been playing with a KB/M when you were still holding a supernintendo controller. |
Acturus Galaxy
Horizons' Edge
50
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Posted - 2013.05.25 16:10:00 -
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The problem is not necessary having many different control schemes and being able to use both ds3, keyboard, mouse and move. This should be an advantage as it brings in more players. It starts to be an issue when you have a competitive mode like PC with huge ingame currency costs and one control scheme is better than the other. Or it becomes an issue in pub matches if you are against a team where most is using the best control mechanics compared the opposing team.
I think it will be close to impossible to make all methods 100% equally since they are very different, there will most likely always be one control option that are overpowered compared the other options. In my opinion the keyboard/mouse has the advantage as it is now from my own experience using both options. The keyboard/mouse is not perfect either as it also has some disadvantages compared to the ds3.
My solution has been to play a support logi, then I no longer need the precision or quick turning speeds to help out my team using only my ds3. |
dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
133
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:45:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote: I wonder what you are going to do with the PS4, since its almost a PC that just has a tag console, KBM will be coming to the console if they want some of the PC crowd on it.
PC crowd?
As example, according to bf3stats.com, http://bfbcs.com/ - console corwd twice bigger. And no cheaters, no pirates. Thats why CCP choosed ps3.
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dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
133
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:49:00 -
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Infekti0n wrote:Nice one, this post is based on absolutely NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.
Today i plugged mouse again, it have almost twice faster sensitivity. It is fact. Askull showed video.
When you play with kbm a lot you can use this advantage. And its easy to see guys who use it.
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dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
133
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Posted - 2013.05.25 17:54:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote: Besides if you look at what ds3 users do to their controllers to get an advantage (Turbo being the most obvious, special buttons for Jump shotting and screws for better response buttons pressing, then i have serious questions about a guy using a modded controller to dominate people using regular controllers, but i guess thats fine in your books....
Same with mouse and macroses. Unfair players always try to find way to cheat.
And modded controller help a little with one type of weapons. Kbm give total advantage with any weapon, except, probably, dropships. |
AskuII Legend
Expert Intervention Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2013.05.25 18:07:00 -
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Infekti0n wrote:Nice one, this post is based on absolutely NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.
Where does it state KB/M users are more accurate? What company or game has ever researched this to a proper extend? Its all bull-, i have played BF3 for a good long time. On the PC and PS3. That is the only game i know of, that actually looked at the PS3 stats and the PC stats on accuracy and headshot %, Bullets fired etc. And it appeared in BF3 the DS3 controller was always more accurate in statistics then the KB/M. So this Topic is officialy based on baloney. Please back up your post with some evidence or some facts. Instead of based opinions. Most players that post stuff like this cant even use a KB/M in a shooter themselfs, and state its OP. You do realize that some gamers have been playing with a KB/M when you were still holding a supernintendo controller. Cool story, bro! |
Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers EoN.
307
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Posted - 2013.05.25 18:36:00 -
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lol, I play kb/m however the vast majority of the players in TeamP ar DS3. Players like chicagocubs, estebar, imageo, and hightimes all play with the DS3.
While I am terrible with the DS3, I know many DS3 players who can take me. |
Dalmont Legrand
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
15
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Posted - 2013.05.25 19:29:00 -
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I have played FPS for some time. I moved to PS 2 when it came out and still played on PC. When I started to play Dust I finally could try out the difference. I tried KBM and DS3. KBM is no matter how good your are is a better way to win if you want to win. DS3 is way off this game. I can't play on the same level using DS3 as I can do on KBM. I felt various possibilities of DS but in this game it is unsupportable.
The idea of CCP that no matter on what you are playing if you are good at it you will win whatever it takes. This is bullshit. Why? Because tank can't be as fast as a jeep, no matter how good you are at driving, you will never get such speed. If you know what I mean, than you will agree. |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
163
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Posted - 2013.05.25 20:55:00 -
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dalt ud wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:dalt ud wrote:Rei Shepard wrote: COD is that way -->
bf4 i will see how CCP will make reasons - why ds3 users must stay in dust 514 with so unfair balance if they have choice to play in FAIR AAA games. I keep dreaming of a solid 60+ FPS, until then you will only see a shadow of what good KBM people can do, though i dont expect the framerate issues being fixed until the PS4. You can always start using the Move? why is that control method never brought up ? Is it fine for DS3 users to dominate Move users but KBM users cant dominate DS3 ? Its a shooter ffs, you should be striving to maximize your ingame potential, not play it like a couch potato and win vs someone serious at well you know winning. I remember going to a Duke Nukem 3D tournament, and only playing Keyboard ....getting there and seeing people play Mouse + Keyboard, people where like dude use a mouse your soo at an disadvantage man ....i was like WTF a mouse is for Windows! ...and getting second place place regardless of their superiority, and i almost won if the final showdown had not been in a thight room and he had the rocket gloves on. Fun times. I dont want play with kbm. I have TV i have chair, and i see no reasons for find table, or buy chair with surface for mouse. And spent time for restore my skill with it totally. Its PS3 and i made choice for ds3 years ago..
Then expect those who take the time to get a table and use mice to destroy you.
It isn't their fault that you are too lazy to be competitive. |
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
890
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Posted - 2013.05.25 20:56:00 -
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AskuII Legend wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:
there's an awful high dependency on psychic power to read the minds of your opponents all over the world. perhaps your evaluation should, you know, use some sort of evidence to back your thesis?
YoutubeThis is quite enough ... I can capture the rest of the benefits!
this video is a fake.
1: the gun shifts faster for the keyboard portion of the vid than on the DS3 animation. The rifles animate at the exact same rate regardless of control input.
2: There is no motion interruption from the mouse user picking up the mouse and moving it back to the other side in the 360+ degree turn. There should be a motion stutter unless you were using a programmable mouse that can override in-game settings.
3: the second set is an accelerated visibly in the animation.
4: Mouse has reverse acceleration programmed into the interface by CCP, the faster you move the mouse the slower it goes. They put in a handicap for you crybabies. Shut up.
5: This topic has devolved into an echo chamber of lies on behalf of people who want KBM support eliminated from gaming.
6: Hulk The F**k Up |
AskuII Legend
Expert Intervention Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2013.05.25 21:08:00 -
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You made GÇïGÇïme laugh ... I will record video in live and I will not touch it! I will point you to where the time goes comparison .... Facepalm... |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
890
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Posted - 2013.05.25 21:11:00 -
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You're so full of crap it amuses the hell out of me.
Reverse accel means KB/M it's almost impossible to turn fast enough to catch a circle strafe jerk at point blank. Quit fabricating evidence to prove your point Because it's freaking obvious you accelerated the second half of that vid.
"Live" transmission my ass.
Live as in recorded four hours ago and edited so it shows what I want it to.
Your Evidence is as credible as Fox News. |
Dalmont Legrand
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
16
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Posted - 2013.05.25 21:21:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:AskuII Legend wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:
there's an awful high dependency on psychic power to read the minds of your opponents all over the world. perhaps your evaluation should, you know, use some sort of evidence to back your thesis?
YoutubeThis is quite enough ... I can capture the rest of the benefits! this video is a fake. 1: the gun shifts faster for the keyboard portion of the vid than on the DS3 animation. The rifles animate at the exact same rate regardless of control input. 2: There is no motion interruption from the mouse user picking up the mouse and moving it back to the other side in the 360+ degree turn. There should be a motion stutter unless you were using a programmable mouse that can override in-game settings. 3: the second set is an accelerated visibly in the animation. 4: Mouse has reverse acceleration programmed into the interface by CCP, the faster you move the mouse the slower it goes. They put in a handicap for you crybabies. Shut up. 5: This topic has devolved into an echo chamber of lies on behalf of people who want KBM support eliminated from gaming. 6: Hulk The F**k Up
Not eliminated but equal. |
AskuII Legend
Expert Intervention Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2013.05.25 21:29:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:You're so full of crap it amuses the hell out of me.
Reverse accel means KB/M it's almost impossible to turn fast enough to catch a circle strafe jerk at point blank. Quit fabricating evidence to prove your point Because it's freaking obvious you accelerated the second half of that vid.
"Live" transmission my ass.
Live as in recorded four hours ago and edited so it shows what I want it to.
Your Evidence is as credible as Fox News. Video LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
891
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Posted - 2013.05.25 21:49:00 -
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why does the rifle still visibly move faster in your "mouse" demo?
why are you spinning the mouse so fast you get input error and the crosshairs fly all over the place extremely rapidly considered evidence of OPness?
Why do your fits move at different speeds?
Why does it look like the MCC projectiles move faster in the later half of the video?
Why do you claim this is a live feed when it's an obvious video upload?
Why can't you fabricate evidence that is believable to someone who pays attention enough to look both ways before crossing the street? |
AskuII Legend
Expert Intervention Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2013.05.25 21:55:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:why does the rifle still visibly move faster in your "mouse" demo?
why are you spinning the mouse so fast you get input error and the crosshairs fly all over the place extremely rapidly considered evidence of OPness?
Why do your fits move at different speeds?
Why does it look like the MCC projectiles move faster in the later half of the video?
Why do you claim this is a live feed when it's an obvious video upload?
Why can't you fabricate evidence that is believable to someone who pays attention enough to look both ways before crossing the street? You're stoned ... |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
477
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Posted - 2013.05.25 22:01:00 -
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CCP has failed this bit in the worst possible outcome.
Possible designs: GÇó no mouse GÇó raw mouse GÇó nerfed mouse which feels nothing like any other fps game
CCP went and picked the last one. Mediocrity at worst is a game stopper, because fps games are all about control - mess that up and its not enjoyable. Mouse is not enjoyable in uprising as it was in chromosome.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
124
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Posted - 2013.05.25 23:13:00 -
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Admit only: this mouse and PS/2 connected KB |
dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
149
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Posted - 2013.05.26 09:09:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Then expect those who take the time to get a table and use mice to destroy you.
It isn't their fault that you are too lazy to be competitive.
Ok ok, all ds3 users will leave this game if CCP will not balance, or disable kbm support. |
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Geirskoegul
Soul-Strike
152
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Posted - 2013.05.26 11:56:00 -
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dalt ud wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Then expect those who take the time to get a table and use mice to destroy you.
It isn't their fault that you are too lazy to be competitive.
Ok ok, all ds3 users will leave this game if CCP will not balance, or disable kbm support. Makes a good case to improve the mouse: we're the ones that will be paying them :-) |
Sebrone Jamleux
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.05.26 12:02:00 -
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It would be ways better if CCP removes the reverse acceleration for mice and adds a fixed aiming speed for each weapon variant. Thus everything is on the same level and KB/M or MOVE users have no advantage. |
Geirskoegul
Soul-Strike
152
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Posted - 2013.05.26 13:00:00 -
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Sebrone Jamleux wrote:It would be ways better if CCP removes the reverse acceleration for mice and adds a fixed aiming speed for each weapon variant. Thus everything is on the same level and KB/M or MOVE users have no advantage. It's what mouse users have wanted from the start: raw input and hard caps on turn speed. It's the most fir and balanced way o do things for everyone, regardless of their chosen controls. |
dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
149
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Posted - 2013.05.26 13:07:00 -
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Geirskoegul wrote:dalt ud wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Then expect those who take the time to get a table and use mice to destroy you.
It isn't their fault that you are too lazy to be competitive.
Ok ok, all ds3 users will leave this game if CCP will not balance, or disable kbm support. Makes a good case to improve the mouse: we're the ones that will be paying them :-)
how many of kbm users here?
game will die if ds3 users will leave, or wont come here. Otherwise CCP must choosed personal computer for this.
But they choosed PS3 and do nothing for balance.... it will sad when this unique game will die coz it. |
dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
149
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Posted - 2013.05.26 13:09:00 -
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For now CCP even broke ds3 controls. In Chromosome it was much better. |
Lazarus Solo
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
66
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Posted - 2013.05.26 13:49:00 -
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If the sensitivity of the mouse is different from that of my DS3, then the solution is to put them equal to each other, and then you will hear no complaints from me. |
Otoky
DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement
98
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Posted - 2013.05.26 14:01:00 -
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@dalt ud
What are you suggesting? You want CCP solve your problem, but you dont give them any hint which way should they start.
Btw I played against you yesterday and it was nearly impossible to shoot you because of the advantage you have with ds3. You can move like Michael Jackson, and you cant do that with kb/m.
I dont see problem here, you can beat everyone with kb/m and for that 10% you talking about, figure out new tactic. |
Infekti0n
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
43
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Posted - 2013.05.26 14:44:00 -
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Topic based on no evidence, only speculations and opinions. Give facts or gtfo. |
AskuII Legend
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
49
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Posted - 2013.05.26 15:13:00 -
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Infekti0n wrote:Topic based on no evidence, only speculations and opinions. Give facts or gtfo. That's a fact! Video 3:33 |
dalt ud
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
155
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Posted - 2013.05.26 17:14:00 -
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Otoky wrote:@dalt ud
What are you suggesting? You want CCP solve your problem, but you dont give them any hint which way should they start.
Btw I played against you yesterday and it was nearly impossible to shoot you because of the advantage you have with ds3. You can move like Michael Jackson, and you cant do that with kb/m.
I dont see problem here, you can beat everyone with kb/m and for that 10% you talking about, figure out new tactic.
Soving - let CCP make control with gamepad like in battlefield 3. Its simple.
BF3 gamepad sensitivity and controls is PERFECT. |
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