DUST Search - [feedback] DS3 users - have no chances for competition vs top kbm users, no reas...

Rei Shepard wrote:

dalt ud wrote:

kbm have better strafe
kbm have better aim speed and aim's accuracy

CCP do nothing about it

top kbm users can stack in one team and its impossible to win then in planetary conquest when most of my team is ds3 users.

If CCP will not balance kbm vs ds3 - i will leave dust 514 to battlefield 4 and wont back anymore.

Before someone will blame me in nooby crying - my KD 5.59 (caldari assault), i can win 90% of kbm users, but other 10% is over my skill. And this 10% can stack in one team in planetary conquest. And they do it.

I see no reason to compete with them. My skill will grow, and their skill will grow. And their advantage will exist always.

CCP you must understand - unbalanced controllers will kill your game. I like competition, i am veteran of PS3's shooters and i am your target auditory in this game. But unfair balance - killed my interest.

Everyone gamepad's user will understand it sooner or later, when begin play planetary conquest., and will leave dust514 to any fair game where all users play on one type of controller.

I will wait next major update this game, if situation will not changed - bye bye dust 514 for ever.

Except for the part KBM doesnt work like it normally should, ive said this before if KMB worked like it would in any PC FPS game, i would miss 1 out 10 shots, on Dust i miss 7 out of 10 shots. KBM is broken and until they fix it i can barely compete as it is. I am fine with playing a handicap.

We fought allot of times and the only times you posed a threat is if you ganged up on me with a dedicated 4 man team vs 1.

And this is with barely functional KBM implementation, maybe stop crying and get practicing, ive been playing shooters since 1992.

PS: its always funny to see someone who plays DS3 tell us they tried KBM and instantly got better, if that would be the case you would stick to KBM as an FPS player would use every single advantage they can get. If you never played KBM it will feel as alien for you as for us playing with a DS3.


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dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 109	Posted - 2013.05.24 22:31:00 - [1] - Quote kbm have better strafe kbm have better aim speed and aim's accuracy CCP do nothing about it top kbm users can stack in one team and its impossible to win then in planetary conquest when most of my team is ds3 users. If CCP will not balance kbm vs ds3 - i will leave dust 514 to battlefield 4 and wont back anymore. Before someone will blame me in nooby crying - my KD 5.59, i can win 90% of kbm users, but other 10% is over my skill. And this 10% can stack in one team in planetary conquest. And they do it. I see no reason to compete with them. My skill will grow, and their skill will grow. And their advantage will exist always. CCP you must understand - unbalanced controllers will kill your game. I like competition, i am veteran of PS3's shooters and i am your target auditory in this game. But unfair balance - killed my interest. Everyone gamepad's user will understand it sooner or later, when begin play planetary conquest., and will leave dust514 to any fair game where all users play on one type of controller. I will wait next major update this game, if situation will not changed - bye bye dust 514 for ever.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 109	Posted - 2013.05.24 22:44:00 - [2] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: I wonder why people think change will occur if they threat to leave. changes will occur when most of ds3 users will leave this game, but it will too late. I know many most active ds3 usres, who play PC - think about it already. Maybe i am wrong, and not many people understand what i said, maybe not. Only way to say it here, so i did.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 110	Posted - 2013.05.25 09:19:00 - [3] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: dalt ud wrote: OP POST How do you know who uses kbm? You surely haven't seen vids by them all nor asked them all - even if they would be telling the truth. Sorry, on that subject I will believe only CCPs stats on control method and performance of each one's users. It very easy. Strafe in close combat show it clearly. Turning speed and etc. And i tested kbm, it much more easy to play. And CCP dont show this stats to us. They do nothing, tell nothing.... so you believe in nothing.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 110	Posted - 2013.05.25 09:20:00 - [4] - Quote Raxsus Lannister wrote: I'm a DS3 user, and have absolutely no problem killing anyone in this game. How do you know who's using a KB/M and who isn't? Ok, your KD and type of dropsuit? ;)
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 110	Posted - 2013.05.25 09:40:00 - [5] - Quote shaman oga wrote: i use DS3 but i don't care if they kill me, sooner or later i find a way to take my revenge. Especially easy to find THAT way for revenge when top kbm users will stack vs you in planetary conquest battle. Just logic: 1. Your corp attack a district of strong enemy ally, and your corp strong enough and your corp have most ds3 users. 2. They know your corp strong, and get to this battle best of the best players. They have 1000 members in ally Best of the best players of their ally - accidentally top kbm users so: 1. You will fight vs 16 top kbm users, and have no chances or 2. You call to this battle YOUR kbm users. No future for you as ds3 user. Or you will lose, or just you dont play this battle. p.s. the main problem is STACKING OF THEM in one team.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 116	Posted - 2013.05.25 10:57:00 - [6] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: there's an awful high dependency on psychic power to read the minds of your opponents all over the world. perhaps your evaluation should, you know, use some sort of evidence to back your thesis? Its not just abstraction. My corp had PC battles, we won the first battles. On second battle enemy ally GOT best of the best players. As minimum half of them was kbm users., probably more (i saw how they played, they obvious had kbm users) If they need best players - they WILL get best players. and it will kbm players. Where place of ds3 users? If we want to win strong ally who have many kbm users - we must find our own kbm users with same skill. So where MY fun as ds3 users? Or our corp play without ds3 users, or our corp cannot win. Its really simple.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 116	Posted - 2013.05.25 11:00:00 - [7] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: AskuII Legend wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: there's an awful high dependency on psychic power to read the minds of your opponents all over the world. perhaps your evaluation should, you know, use some sort of evidence to back your thesis? Youtube This is quite enough ... I can capture the rest of the benefits! and for your next trick, you will actually test the mouse in uprising? since that was ass-end of chromosome you're showing there. Mouse got nerfed since then. perhaps without accelerating the video? lol, are you blind? see to the ground - where you saw the grass in Chromosome build?
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 116	Posted - 2013.05.25 11:17:00 - [8] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: dalt ud wrote: kbm have better strafe kbm have better aim speed and aim's accuracy CCP do nothing about it top kbm users can stack in one team and its impossible to win then in planetary conquest when most of my team is ds3 users. If CCP will not balance kbm vs ds3 - i will leave dust 514 to battlefield 4 and wont back anymore. Before someone will blame me in nooby crying - my KD 5.59 (caldari assault), i can win 90% of kbm users, but other 10% is over my skill. And this 10% can stack in one team in planetary conquest. And they do it. I see no reason to compete with them. My skill will grow, and their skill will grow. And their advantage will exist always. CCP you must understand - unbalanced controllers will kill your game. I like competition, i am veteran of PS3's shooters and i am your target auditory in this game. But unfair balance - killed my interest. Everyone gamepad's user will understand it sooner or later, when begin play planetary conquest., and will leave dust514 to any fair game where all users play on one type of controller. I will wait next major update this game, if situation will not changed - bye bye dust 514 for ever. Except for the part KBM doesnt work like it normally should, ive said this before if KMB worked like it would in any PC FPS game, i would miss 1 out 10 shots, on Dust i miss 7 out of 10 shots. KBM is broken and until they fix it i can barely compete as it is. I am fine with playing a handicap. We fought allot of times and the only times you posed a threat is if you ganged up on me with a dedicated 4 man team vs 1. And this is with barely functional KBM implementation, maybe stop crying and get practicing, ive been playing shooters since 1992. PS: its always funny to see someone who plays DS3 tell us they tried KBM and instantly got better, if that would be the case you would stick to KBM as an FPS player would use every single advantage they can get. If you never played KBM it will feel as alien for you as for us playing with a DS3. ds3 is not work properly too now. In chromosome it work better. CCP nerfed both controllers and mouse still have advantage anyway. And i play network shooters since 1997 duke nukem, doom, quake 1, UT, quake 3. Do you think i have no skill with kbm? I am 6 year playing shooters in PS3, and before it 10 years playing shooters with kbm on Personal Computer I know BOTH types, i choosed ps3 because ds3 more comfortable, and i got limit of skill with this device. I can win 90% of kbm users in dust 514, but 10% of top users is over my skill. 10% its hunderds of them, and they can easy stack in one team (in one ally as example) - and all this team over my skill. 2-3 top kbm users per each team - is no problem. But stacking of them - is great problem for ds3 users. Or CCP dont let stack kbm users (i have no idea how they can do it), or balance it. I will accept both ways.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 116	Posted - 2013.05.25 11:21:00 - [9] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: COD is that way --> bf4 i will see how CCP will make reasons - why ds3 users must stay in dust 514 with so unfair balance if they have choice to play in FAIR AAA games.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 117	Posted - 2013.05.25 11:43:00 - [10] - Quote G Torq wrote: dalt ud wrote: kbm have better strafe kbm have better aim speed and aim's accuracy CCP do nothing about it top kbm users can stack in one team and its impossible to win then in planetary conquest when most of my team is ds3 users. If CCP will not balance kbm vs ds3 - i will leave dust 514 to battlefield 4 and wont back anymore. Before someone will blame me in nooby crying - my KD 5.59 (caldari assault), i can win 90% of kbm users, but other 10% is over my skill. And this 10% can stack in one team in planetary conquest. And they do it. I see no reason to compete with them. My skill will grow, and their skill will grow. And their advantage will exist always. CCP you must understand - unbalanced controllers will kill your game. I like competition, i am veteran of PS3's shooters and i am your target auditory in this game. But unfair balance - killed my interest. Everyone gamepad's user will understand it sooner or later, when begin play planetary conquest., and will leave dust514 to any fair game where all users play on one type of controller. I will wait next major update this game, if situation will not changed - bye bye dust 514 for ever. Question: Have you tried using the PS Move setup? Developer Naughty Dog (Resistance and other games) observed in testing that Move players out-performed regular controller-users, leading to considering Move-specific match-making to accommodate. Not saying Move IS better, but it may be that you can get on even ground with at least some of the remaining 10% KBM users. when in this game will thousands of them, like kbm - it WILL problem. i see no problem if enemy team have 2-3 top kbm users. I see problem when they stack together. And you dont quite understand, when most active ds3 users will leave this game - game will die. Coz obviously PS3 is wrong platform to find much kbm users. So balance kbm vs ds3 - is OUR problem, not ds3's users only.

dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 126	Posted - 2013.05.25 11:54:00 - [11] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: dalt ud wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: COD is that way --> bf4 i will see how CCP will make reasons - why ds3 users must stay in dust 514 with so unfair balance if they have choice to play in FAIR AAA games. I keep dreaming of a solid 60+ FPS, until then you will only see a shadow of what good KBM people can do, though i dont expect the framerate issues being fixed until the PS4. You can always start using the Move? why is that control method never brought up ? Is it fine for DS3 users to dominate Move users but KBM users cant dominate DS3 ? Its a shooter ffs, you should be striving to maximize your ingame potential, not play it like a couch potato and win vs someone serious at well you know winning. I remember going to a Duke Nukem 3D tournament, and only playing Keyboard ....getting there and seeing people play Mouse + Keyboard, people where like dude use a mouse your soo at an disadvantage man ....i was like WTF a mouse is for Windows! ...and getting second place place regardless of their superiority, and i almost won if the final showdown had not been in a thight room and he had the rocket gloves on. Fun times. I dont want play with kbm. I have TV i have chair, and i see no reasons for find table, or buy chair with surface for mouse. And spent time for restore my skill with it totally. Its PS3 and i made choice for ds3 years ago. Example with MOVE is wrong. Almost all ps3 users have kbm experience on their computers, so its really easy to start use kbm for them. But we dont want it. Why CCP force us to do it? I better leave unfair game, than begin start use kbm. when in dust 514 will thousands of move users, when skilled move users will can stack in one team - it WIL problem top kbm users do it RIGHT NOW - and it is CURRENT problem.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 133	Posted - 2013.05.25 17:45:00 - [12] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: I wonder what you are going to do with the PS4, since its almost a PC that just has a tag console, KBM will be coming to the console if they want some of the PC crowd on it. PC crowd? As example, according to bf3stats.com, http://bfbcs.com/ - console corwd twice bigger. And no cheaters, no pirates. Thats why CCP choosed ps3.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 133	Posted - 2013.05.25 17:49:00 - [13] - Quote Infekti0n wrote: Nice one, this post is based on absolutely NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE. Today i plugged mouse again, it have almost twice faster sensitivity. It is fact. Askull showed video. When you play with kbm a lot you can use this advantage. And its easy to see guys who use it.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 133	Posted - 2013.05.25 17:54:00 - [14] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Besides if you look at what ds3 users do to their controllers to get an advantage (Turbo being the most obvious, special buttons for Jump shotting and screws for better response buttons pressing, then i have serious questions about a guy using a modded controller to dominate people using regular controllers, but i guess thats fine in your books.... Same with mouse and macroses. Unfair players always try to find way to cheat. And modded controller help a little with one type of weapons. Kbm give total advantage with any weapon, except, probably, dropships.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 149	Posted - 2013.05.26 09:09:00 - [15] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Then expect those who take the time to get a table and use mice to destroy you. It isn't their fault that you are too lazy to be competitive. Ok ok, all ds3 users will leave this game if CCP will not balance, or disable kbm support.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 149	Posted - 2013.05.26 13:07:00 - [16] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: dalt ud wrote: Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Then expect those who take the time to get a table and use mice to destroy you. It isn't their fault that you are too lazy to be competitive. Ok ok, all ds3 users will leave this game if CCP will not balance, or disable kbm support. Makes a good case to improve the mouse: we're the ones that will be paying them :-) how many of kbm users here? game will die if ds3 users will leave, or wont come here. Otherwise CCP must choosed personal computer for this. But they choosed PS3 and do nothing for balance.... it will sad when this unique game will die coz it.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 149	Posted - 2013.05.26 13:09:00 - [17] - Quote For now CCP even broke ds3 controls. In Chromosome it was much better.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 155	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:14:00 - [18] - Quote Otoky wrote: @dalt ud What are you suggesting? You want CCP solve your problem, but you dont give them any hint which way should they start. Btw I played against you yesterday and it was nearly impossible to shoot you because of the advantage you have with ds3. You can move like Michael Jackson, and you cant do that with kb/m. I dont see problem here, you can beat everyone with kb/m and for that 10% you talking about, figure out new tactic. Soving - let CCP make control with gamepad like in battlefield 3. Its simple. BF3 gamepad sensitivity and controls is PERFECT.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 155	Posted - 2013.05.26 17:32:00 - [19] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: You wanna ragequit, go for it, we won't miss you, but they risk far more by killing keyboard and mouse support than by supporting it properly. At the end of the day, your baseless rambling is no more valid than a call to ban steering wheels in racing games; you're welcome to use whatever control scheme you want, just like everyone else. when all control scheme will equal - it will good. For now: PS Move controls - is broken (if compare it with other PS3 shooters) Ds3 controls - is broken (if compare it with other PS3 shooters) kbm controls - not broken if compare it with ds3 and PS Move in dust 514. Just see sensitivity difference in Askull's video. But if kbm users want play alone this game - let it be. Will see how long this game will exist on PS3 where 99% players play with ds3 in all type of games. Who know, maybe kbm users buy enough AUR for CCP's profit and it is reason why CCP support them only now
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 159	Posted - 2013.05.26 21:10:00 - [20] - Quote Otoky wrote: t ds3 and kbm user, but many player are like me who not played fps on console before (i bought ps only for dust). I tried ds3 in the 1. month but it was not my tool, so switched to kbm. I never regret when i work hard to adapt to ds3 playing. I cost me mont of playing, but i got skill. Why i did it? Coz no more popular shooters support kbm on PS3. And now i even dont want play with kbm. Otoky wrote: Dust will survive in this condition because only a few ppl will leave because of the ds3. But if they disable kbm than huge amount of player will leave. CCP choosed ps3 for 65 000 000 install base, and this millions players are ds3 users. I am sorry, but "few people" its about kbm users here. Otoky wrote: I support your idea to make ds3 like bf3 setting Before nerf or disable mouse - CCP must make fine controls for ds3. Because maybe it will enough. And make right aim assist for CQC, coz weakpoint of gamepad playing is CQC. In Chromosome aim assist worked good enough. Before blame ds3 users about "aim assist" try to play with gamepad. I need no aim assist with my ds3 to beat 90% of kbm users, but vs top kbm users ds3 is too weak in CQC :( I created this thread coz CCP do nothing about it. Now controls with gamepad is broken if compare it even with Chromosome. If compare it with bf3 - we are gimps here :(

dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 159	Posted - 2013.05.26 21:12:00 - [21] - Quote Beeeees wrote: So yeah, get better. If you feel you hit the skill ceiling allowed by the controller and still get your sh!t slapped, maybe its time to step up your game. I just dont want it. I bought ps3 for comfortable playing, and dont want use kbm at all. And most of ps3's players have same opinion.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 163	Posted - 2013.05.27 05:10:00 - [22] - Quote Beeeees wrote: dalt ud wrote: I just dont want it. I bought ps3 for comfortable playing, and dont want use kbm at all. If you want comfortable and effortless recreation, play pub, or say, Cawadoody. If you want to play with the PC proto big dawgs, you gotta step up your game. If you want play on PS3 - play with gamepad. Thats all. No one who like gamepad wanna play with sh!t like kbm.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 163	Posted - 2013.05.27 05:13:00 - [23] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: My team is full DS3 and i'm the only KBM user. Yet we do pretty fine in PC or anywhere else. Also, know that at the moment, aiming with mouse is difficult due to latest changing in controls done with Uprising. Finally, CCP is always tweaking DS3 acceleration and speed pattern. I know that for a fact. The CQC problem you're mentionning exists for both kbm and ds3. As a matter of fact it's even worse for KBM than DS3 atm. So hang ing there. And do trust me when i say that many top players are DS3 guys. Tracky play with kbm too. And i know many of kbm users, and see how they play. Kbm have advantage, dont try lie here. See Askull's video, and its obvious - skilled guy always use advantage of sensitivity.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 166	Posted - 2013.05.27 07:23:00 - [24] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: dalt ud wrote: Beeeees wrote: dalt ud wrote: I just dont want it. I bought ps3 for comfortable playing, and dont want use kbm at all. If you want comfortable and effortless recreation, play pub, or say, Cawadoody. If you want to play with the PC proto big dawgs, you gotta step up your game. If you want play on PS3 - play with gamepad. Thats all. No one who like gamepad wanna play with sh!t like kbm. I will play with the control scheme I want to play with, or not at all. I will not play this game with a controller. It's awkward, sluggish, imprecise, and limited. I will not limit myself with a controller. If you can't handle adapting to better control schemes; that is your problem, not ours. Me too want to play with control scheme i want. And it is gamepad. If other devs made good controls and CCP cant do it - its not our problem. Maybe when they will do good gamepad controls - advantage of kbm will not so significant. For now its too big difference.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 166	Posted - 2013.05.27 07:24:00 - [25] - Quote XiBravo wrote: The only cheat I see is a guy with nearly 700 shields that start regenerating in seconds...ck.o bullsht here is macros on kbm or modded controller. Too fast shooting with tac AR.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 166	Posted - 2013.05.27 07:40:00 - [26] - Quote Otoky wrote: I think you have to accept the fact that some players are simply better than you and this whole threat is just a comfortable excuse. It sooo strange, but better players are kbm users (90%). So we returned to start of discussion.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 166	Posted - 2013.05.27 07:42:00 - [27] - Quote Otoky wrote: Thats not 10%, its about 2-3% top and you ask CCP to disable kbm because of that 2-3%. I want better controls for gamepad at first. CCP do nothing, so i created the thread. When mouse was broken at 6th may - here was unstopable crying from kbm users. I want to get devs attention to problem of controls.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 166	Posted - 2013.05.27 08:02:00 - [28] - Quote Otoky wrote: dalt ud wrote: Otoky wrote: I think you have to accept the fact that some players are simply better than you and this whole threat is just a comfortable excuse. It sooo strange, but better players are kbm users (90%). So we returned to start of discussion. Proof? impossible to give, i just asked guys what controller type they use. Only way to ask CCP show us % of kbm users in top 1000 of players.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 166	Posted - 2013.05.27 08:13:00 - [29] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: dalt ud wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: My team is full DS3 and i'm the only KBM user. Yet we do pretty fine in PC or anywhere else. Also, know that at the moment, aiming with mouse is difficult due to latest changing in controls done with Uprising. Finally, CCP is always tweaking DS3 acceleration and speed pattern. I know that for a fact. The CQC problem you're mentionning exists for both kbm and ds3. As a matter of fact it's even worse for KBM than DS3 atm. So hang ing there. And do trust me when i say that many top players are DS3 guys. Tracky play with kbm too. And i know many of kbm users, and see how they play. Kbm have advantage, dont try lie here. See Askull's video, and its obvious - skilled guy always use advantage of sensitivity. Nope. Traky plays with a DS3 dude ^^ So are Olssam, itchi, and such. Dont ask me how they do, it's just a mystery to me. Truth is, those guy suck with a KBM. only Traky impressed me in WTF. Anyway it not cancel theme of this thread.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 167	Posted - 2013.05.27 10:50:00 - [30] - Quote Jathniel wrote: It's not that bad, dalt ud. I'm a kbm guy, and I see you ds3 guys circle strafing all the time. kbm gives us faster target acquisition speed, but you guys can aim almost as fast, and you have better and smoother movements, with your left joystick. Circle strafing with W,A,S,D isn't usually very efficient. Often we just hit A,S and S, D, or just A and D, but the strafing motion is never as precise as yours. Just shoot at us, and we die. its hard enough to kill skilled kbm guy. With bad ds3 controls its VERY hard. But now - DS3 controls is far away from perfect. And, probably, if CCP will make it like it did in other ps3 shooters - this problem will solved. Its hard for me to use english to show what i mean clearly :(

dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 167	Posted - 2013.05.27 10:55:00 - [31] - Quote KBM users and DS3 users must push to CCP to make FINE controls for ds3. Why both? Coz if ds3 controls will fine - maybe no one will ask about nerf kbm. p.s. for now, i dont play dust514 since yesterday, coz too many problems. Invictible LAVs, unbalanced tac AR, flying assault crap, oh, sorry dropship, and controls much worse than in Chromosome. I will back when CCP will fix most of it.
dalt ud Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 172	Posted - 2013.05.27 13:17:00 - [32] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: I hate kb/m for dropsuit gameplay. I can't aim for **** with it. But, I do like it for my tanks. I can still kill people quite well with my freefit scout suit and shotgun, even if I know that person is using a kb/m. I don't see what the fuss is about.... The fuzz its all about is that its unfair the advantage isnt on their side, if it would have been on their side, it would have been fair. However KBM is broken atm, so there really is no advantage atm. We all remember unstoppable crying when mouse was broken at 6th of may. And gamepad controls is broken too now. In Chromosome it was better, and i didnt create threads like this, coz it was playable. Now ds3 controls is bad. So kbm still have advantage.