I thought this was common knowledge by now.

Tact. AR > Every gun in the game

People using different weapons think the Tact. AR is too mainstream. If you're using a different weapon, you're gimping yourself tbh.

100% agree with the OP, especially with the sentiment about not nerfing it but buffing the other options a bit. Plymco it's time to start the "No More Nerf" campaign again.

100% agree with the OP,especially with the sentiment about not nerfing it but buffing the other options a bit. Plymco it's time to start the "No More Nerf" campaign again.

I rarely use a GLU-tac. I mostly rock nova knives, flaylocks, and subby's lately. sometimes a shotty. People just jumped on the bandwagon. It's no big deal. digital weapons are digitally lethal.

It's kind of annoying when people play a war game and get killed by war weapons and complain about it. do you even knwo what kind of game you are paying? What do you expect? might i suggest angry birds? OR tetris?

Laser rifle?
Poor damage output?
He obviously doesn't know how to use it.

Its called balance, its a vital part of these war games you seem to know little about.

I appreciate the sentiment (nobody likes having their weapon of choice weakened), but I don't know how feasible it would be to buff all the weapons to match the TAC, when the problem is very clearly with it specifically. (Even the other AR variants can't really compete.)

lololol. It's not balance you seek. It's bland vanilla wins where you get to dictate your enemy and their equipment that you seek.

let's not delude ourselves, shall we? I nova knife, shotgun blast, and sub machine gun Tac users every single battle. I have no problem with people using the weapon of their choice.

So what's your excuse?

And please, let's not try to hide behind the balance excuse.

Laser rifle?
Poor damage output?
He obviously doesn't know how to use it.
Same for the scrambler rifle, which is supposed to be the Tac AR but the TAC AR needs a nerf.
The assault scrambler rifle is the AR of the Amarr and its just as good.

I remember asking CCP to buff the TAR back in Chromosome. I also remember warning them to not over buff it!

We asked for recoil decrease and maybe 3% more damage per shot.

Why is it that Dev's (in any game) always decide to make crappy guns OP and OP guns crappy?
They need to listen to the community and go for little buff's not huge ones.

you are delusional, its unbalanced.

You suck at this game so I am delusional

Okay. whatever keeps you coming back.

I don't know about "just as good" as the AR's

- the SR has less range than the AR.

- Does less dmg (?)

- Has an over heating mechanic.

- Tact. Version of SR has no ACOG scope (which can be a pro or con depending on your playstyle)

I don't know about "just as good" as the AR's

- the SR has less range than the AR.

- Does less dmg (?)

- Has an over heating mechanic.

- Tact. Version of SR has no ACOG scope (which can be a pro or con depending on your playstyle)

My argument= a valid argument about the importance of balance in a fps.

Your argument= name calling and nonsense.

lololol. It's not balance you seek. It's bland vanilla wins where you get to dictate your enemy and their equipment that you seek.

let's not delude ourselves, shall we? I nova knife, shotgun blast, and sub machine gun Tac users every single battle. I have no problem with people using the weapon of their choice.

So what's your excuse?

And please, let's not try to hide behind the balance excuse.

And you do all that on short range maps...on every single long range map you're completely useless against TARs. I love knives and short range weapons too, but to claim you own in every single game against TARs is a ridiculous lie.

I'm talking about the assault scrambler rifle.

The SR as far as I know has the same range.
Same DPS
The overheating isn't a problem as you can expend a full clip without having any skills into scrambler rifles and you won't overheat

Remember that the assault scrambler rifle has a bigger clip, and also uses less ammo. (It has less fire rate, but higher damage)

Edit: seriously though everybody except CCP and AR users admit the huge problem exists.

Long range maps? I bust out my LAV. I do a lot of sneaking around.

Well.. I don't own, but I am routinely in the top 4 spots. I routinely get at least ten kills. Many many assists, and I die a lot sometimes as well... to TACs to tanks. to mass drivers. pretty much everything a player a kills me with ;)

There is not a balance issue. Just a desire to control the weapons your enemy uses because it is apparently such a good counter to the way you stubbornly play it means you play to get owned.

um.. lol.. adapt or die much? Which one?

Less range doesn't really affect much because if you fire at an enemy with the 'extra' range the ar has, you probably wont kill him.

Advanced assault sr does more damage than the duvoule ar.

It's over-heating mechanic is only a problem with the regular sr, not the assault variant

I personally dislike the ACOG scope on the tactical variant, but that's just your play style.

Personally, i think the only weapon that is totally useless is the laser rifle. (those sights are awful). The weapon you use matters completely to your play style. I don't agree that using another weapon other than the assault rifle is a bad choice.

It's about versatility...and in that respect no other weapon even comes close. A TAR is waaaaaay more effective at various ranges than anything else. Every single other weapon has some drawback (SR overheats and has less range, LR is crap up close, mass driver has less range AND a non-direct flight path, sniper rifles are crap up close, shotgun is only usable up close) but the TAR doesn't. Tell me, what's the drawback of using a TAR other than it not fitting your play style?

When it comes to pure effectiveness and versatility, nothing beats it.

I'm not saying all other weapons suck, I'm saying they simply aren't as good as TARs for k/d ratios. I get good results with knives/flaylocks too, but compared to a TAR user it's playing the game on hard mode while he gets to play on easy mode.

Spec into TARs and then compare it to your puny little shotgun in terms of effectiveness ;)

I've spec'd into AR enough to use the GLU-Tac here and there. It is pretty boss. Like before chromosome.

However, I just don't have as much fun with the play style it dictates. I use weapons that suit my play style and as a result have more fun. And that is probably the reason I do well enough most times. Of course, if your play style is owned by a particular play style or weapon that is popular, your fun is going to go down and your performance along with it.

The topics we should be talking about are lag, the stickiness of objects and terrain, etc. These are major problems above and beyond small balance issues.

i'm pretty sure they BOTH know the problem exists, but ccp is really cautious and slow about balance changes

It only puts you at a disadvantage if.....1) You are not playing with a team.....&......2) You are not skilled in the weapon you are trying to use (points and experience).

Point 1...when you are working with an organized fireteam you can be successful with a specialized weapon because you are filling a particular niche role, whether it is shotgun, mass driver, swarms, laser or heavy stuff. Everyone has a job to do and everyone should be covering each others back and engaging enemies in their optimal range. Without the teamwork and coordination you are probably going to get caught unaware in a less than ideal situation.

Point 2...when you just pick up a weapon for the first time, chances are you will not be very proficient with it. Mastering a weapon in Dust 514 take a bit more time than most shooters. If you do not have the patience to become adept with something more specialized then that is not the weapon's fault (or the developers). You also need to recognize that the weapon becomes more effective when you level up the skills associated with it. You will be surprised in the better performance when skills are raised.

So if you are playing alone most of the time or do not have the patience to become proficient with something then stick with the AR. It is the most versatile and easy to use weapon in the game.

Point 1. So are saying hide behind the AR guy on your team?

It only puts you at a disadvantage if.....1) You are not playing with a team.....&......2) You are not skilled in the weapon you are trying to use (points and experience).

Point 1...when you are working with an organized fireteam you can be successful with a specialized weapon because you are filling a particular niche role, whether it is shotgun, mass driver, swarms, laser or heavy stuff. Everyone has a job to do and everyone should be covering each others back and engaging enemies in their optimal range. Without the teamwork and coordination you are probably going to get caught unaware in a less than ideal situation.

Point 2...when you just pick up a weapon for the first time, chances are you will not be very proficient with it. Mastering a weapon in Dust 514 take a bit more time than most shooters. If you do not have the patience to become adept with something more specialized then that is not the weapon's fault (or the developers). You also need to recognize that the weapon becomes more effective when you level up the skills associated with it. You will be surprised in the better performance when skills are raised.

So if you are playing alone most of the time or do not have the patience to become proficient with something then stick with the AR. It is the most versatile and easy to use weapon in the game.

If you use any weapon other than an Assault Rifle, you are putting yourself at a disadvantage. These are just the results of me testing things out over a few days, I figured I would share.

I started off skilling into the AR and found myself doing really well. I was effective at close range and medium range. Damage output was awesome, and I could down most opponents before they could kill me. I always left matches with a positive k/d ratio and could help my team.

Seeing that everyone else is using the AR I figured I would try and add to diversity and use one of the other rifles. So I petitioned a respec, and used my extra SP to try out some of the other guns to see what I should respec too. I leveled the laser and scrambler skills to 3 and used the mid tier versions. Bad mistake.

Laser Rifle is complete garbage. People move a ton in this game. Having to keep the small reticle on target, managing heat and dealing with the poor damage output of this gun was a nightmare. There as absolutely nothing I could do unless I surprised a target or ran into a new player who had no idea what was going on. Every time an AR user came anywhere near me, I had to run for my life...especially in mid-close range.

So I moved on to the Scrambler rifle. At first I felt like this was a good choice. It was definitely better than the laser rifle. I could actually get a few kills. But again, as soon as I came into contact with an AR user, they had the upperhand. They could spam the fire button and run through an entire clip, while I had around 9 shots or so before I was overheating. And if the charge shot misses you are going to lose the fight because heat is to high to fight back. You would get maybe 3 or 4 more shots before you had to let the gun cool.

Although the AR rifle is really powerful, I'm not calling for nerfs.. but at least buff the other rifles so that they can compete with the AR. Right now speccing into another weapon puts you at an immediate disadvantage. The AR is superior to the other rifles in every way. I'm seriously considering just sticking to the AR. This is a competitive game, and its no fun when you have to put in way more effort just to be even with other players.

TLDR: If you see someone using a TAC AR, run...

TAC AR aside, AR and SR are both valid.

Been playing with both and they both have pros and cons :

AR has a way tighter spread and a higher RoF
Assault SCR has a higher Range, a higher bullet damage output and a bigger clip size.

Before jumping to conclusion, let's wait and see after TAC AR is tweaked backed to what it should be. A mid\long range weapon that should only be accurate through ACOG, with a huge dispersion hip firing, and a slower ROF.

Regarding Laser Rifle. I agree they became a way less usefull weapon than they were and could use a buff. I just loved how tactical they were in corp fights.

Using my GLU, a good 4-5 accurate shots will take most people down. But its not exactly easy to be precise at certain distances. BUT damn it feels good to better myself at it.

Your alliance's name says it all -_-

My LR would like a word with you.