DUST Search - Using a rifle other than the AR puts you at a disadvantage

mollerz wrote:

Jin Robot wrote:

mollerz wrote:

Jin Robot wrote:

mollerz wrote:

I rarely use a GLU-tac. I mostly rock nova knives, flaylocks, and subby's lately. sometimes a shotty. People just jumped on the bandwagon. It's no big deal. digital weapons are digitally lethal.

It's kind of annoying when people play a war game and get killed by war weapons and complain about it. do you even knwo what kind of game you are paying? What do you expect? might i suggest angry birds? OR tetris?

Its called balance, its a vital part of these war games you seem to know little about.

lololol. It's not balance you seek. It's bland vanilla wins where you get to dictate your enemy and their equipment that you seek.

let's not delude ourselves, shall we? I nova knife, shotgun blast, and sub machine gun Tac users every single battle. I have no problem with people using the weapon of their choice.

So what's your excuse?

And please, let's not try to hide behind the balance excuse.

you are delusional, its unbalanced.

You suck at this game so I am delusional Lol

Okay. whatever keeps you coming back.

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LEETZORR Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.22 18:39:00 - [1] - Quote If you use any weapon other than an Assault Rifle, you are putting yourself at a disadvantage. These are just the results of me testing things out over a few days, I figured I would share. I started off skilling into the AR and found myself doing really well. I was effective at close range and medium range. Damage output was awesome, and I could down most opponents before they could kill me. I always left matches with a positive k/d ratio and could help my team. Seeing that everyone else is using the AR I figured I would try and add to diversity and use one of the other rifles. So I petitioned a respec, and used my extra SP to try out some of the other guns to see what I should respec too. I leveled the laser and scrambler skills to 3 and used the mid tier versions. Bad mistake. Laser Rifle is complete garbage. People move a ton in this game. Having to keep the small reticle on target, managing heat and dealing with the poor damage output of this gun was a nightmare. There as absolutely nothing I could do unless I surprised a target or ran into a new player who had no idea what was going on. Every time an AR user came anywhere near me, I had to run for my life...especially in mid-close range. So I moved on to the Scrambler rifle. At first I felt like this was a good choice. It was definitely better than the laser rifle. I could actually get a few kills. But again, as soon as I came into contact with an AR user, they had the upperhand. They could spam the fire button and run through an entire clip, while I had around 9 shots or so before I was overheating. And if the charge shot misses you are going to lose the fight because heat is to high to fight back. You would get maybe 3 or 4 more shots before you had to let the gun cool. Although the AR rifle is really powerful, I'm not calling for nerfs.. but at least buff the other rifles so that they can compete with the AR. Right now speccing into another weapon puts you at an immediate disadvantage. The AR is superior to the other rifles in every way. I'm seriously considering just sticking to the AR. This is a competitive game, and its no fun when you have to put in way more effort just to be even with other players. TLDR: If you see someone using a TAC AR, run...
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1836	Posted - 2013.05.22 18:42:00 - [2] - Quote I thought this was common knowledge by now. Tact. AR > Every gun in the game People using different weapons think the Tact. AR is too mainstream. If you're using a different weapon, you're gimping yourself tbh.
LEETZORR Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.22 18:44:00 - [3] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: I thought this was common knowledge by now. Tact. AR > Every gun in the game People using different weapons think the Tact. AR is too mainstream. If you're using a different weapon, you're gimping yourself tbh. I apologize for being so long winded, but thats exactly what I'm trying to say. I'm tired of seeing nothing but AR's in every single battle, so I wanted to be the change I want in the world.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 554	Posted - 2013.05.22 18:46:00 - [4] - Quote Chose your new title "master of the obvious" "late to the party"
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Goonfeet 30	Posted - 2013.05.22 18:52:00 - [5] - Quote 100% agree with the OP, especially with the sentiment about not nerfing it but buffing the other options a bit. Plymco it's time to start the "No More Nerf" campaign again.
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.05.22 18:59:00 - [6] - Quote IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: 100% agree with the OP, especially with the sentiment about not nerfing it but buffing the other options a bit. Plymco it's time to start the "No More Nerf" campaign again. I appreciate the sentiment (nobody likes having their weapon of choice weakened), but I don't know how feasible it would be to buff all the weapons to match the TAC, when the problem is very clearly with it specifically. (Even the other AR variants can't really compete.)
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:00:00 - [7] - Quote Laser rifle? Poor damage output? He obviously doesn't know how to use it. Same for the scrambler rifle, which is supposed to be the Tac AR but the TAC AR needs a nerf. The assault scrambler rifle is the AR of the Amarr and its just as good.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 556	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:01:00 - [8] - Quote IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: 100% agree with the OP,especially with the sentiment about not nerfing it but buffing the other options a bit. Plymco it's time to start the "No More Nerf" campaign again. how about the "no more deaths from 4 ar rounds" campaign. Duv Ar will kill you quicker than 1.5 seconds. you should know as you probably use it.
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 276	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:04:00 - [9] - Quote I rarely use a GLU-tac. I mostly rock nova knives, flaylocks, and subby's lately. sometimes a shotty. People just jumped on the bandwagon. It's no big deal. digital weapons are digitally lethal. It's kind of annoying when people play a war game and get killed by war weapons. might i suggest angry birds? OR tetris?
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1066	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:04:00 - [10] - Quote bee to the ehh to the el ehh en see eee

Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 556	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:07:00 - [11] - Quote mollerz wrote: I rarely use a GLU-tac. I mostly rock nova knives, flaylocks, and subby's lately. sometimes a shotty. People just jumped on the bandwagon. It's no big deal. digital weapons are digitally lethal. It's kind of annoying when people play a war game and get killed by war weapons and complain about it. do you even knwo what kind of game you are paying? What do you expect? might i suggest angry birds? OR tetris? Its called balance, its a vital part of these war games you seem to know little about.
Full Metal Kitten Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 467	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:08:00 - [12] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: Laser rifle? Poor damage output? He obviously doesn't know how to use it. Go ahead and post a youtube video of yourself pwning people with it. I'd like to see some footage of someone that knows what they are doing.
Sean Huntsman Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:10:00 - [13] - Quote Go TAC or go home.
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 276	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:14:00 - [14] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: mollerz wrote: I rarely use a GLU-tac. I mostly rock nova knives, flaylocks, and subby's lately. sometimes a shotty. People just jumped on the bandwagon. It's no big deal. digital weapons are digitally lethal. It's kind of annoying when people play a war game and get killed by war weapons and complain about it. do you even knwo what kind of game you are paying? What do you expect? might i suggest angry birds? OR tetris? Its called balance, its a vital part of these war games you seem to know little about. lololol. It's not balance you seek. It's bland vanilla wins where you get to dictate your enemy and their equipment that you seek. let's not delude ourselves, shall we? I nova knife, shotgun blast, and sub machine gun Tac users every single battle. I have no problem with people using the weapon of their choice. So what's your excuse? And please, let's not try to hide behind the balance excuse.
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Goonfeet 30	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:15:00 - [15] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: 100% agree with the OP, especially with the sentiment about not nerfing it but buffing the other options a bit. Plymco it's time to start the "No More Nerf" campaign again. I appreciate the sentiment (nobody likes having their weapon of choice weakened), but I don't know how feasible it would be to buff all the weapons to match the TAC, when the problem is very clearly with it specifically. (Even the other AR variants can't really compete.) My only concern with continued nerfing is it doesn't seem to end. It just creates a call for the new FOTM to be nerfed. PRECURSER - NERF the HMG=SMG now has more DPS than a Boundless REPLICATION - NERF the BREACH=SLOW ROF gun that has no advantages and stops being used entirely (still don't ever see them) OTHER BUILDs ETC ETC MISSILES ETC CHROMOSONE- NERF the LASER=LASER seems to take too long to kill and not comparable to AR which can kill multiple enemies with one clip I feel like weapon balance is close. The recent 10% across the board buff made the HMG feel at least viable again, I'd like to see similar slight adjustments with the exceptions for the weapons platforms that are currently being asked to nerfed.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 556	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:16:00 - [16] - Quote mollerz wrote: Jin Robot wrote: mollerz wrote: I rarely use a GLU-tac. I mostly rock nova knives, flaylocks, and subby's lately. sometimes a shotty. People just jumped on the bandwagon. It's no big deal. digital weapons are digitally lethal. It's kind of annoying when people play a war game and get killed by war weapons and complain about it. do you even knwo what kind of game you are paying? What do you expect? might i suggest angry birds? OR tetris? Its called balance, its a vital part of these war games you seem to know little about. lololol. It's not balance you seek. It's bland vanilla wins where you get to dictate your enemy and their equipment that you seek. let's not delude ourselves, shall we? I nova knife, shotgun blast, and sub machine gun Tac users every single battle. I have no problem with people using the weapon of their choice. So what's your excuse? And please, let's not try to hide behind the balance excuse. you are delusional, its unbalanced.
Hey Fatty SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 14	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:19:00 - [17] - Quote Need a little spray with my play! :) I wont lie though, before this update, I used assault rifles and did well too. With my respec (hopefully) on the way, its likely il be going back to AR just because I miss it...Still going to use the full auto, i be no good with semi autos. I guess we will see!
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1845	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:24:00 - [18] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: Laser rifle? Poor damage output? He obviously doesn't know how to use it. Same for the scrambler rifle, which is supposed to be the Tac AR but the TAC AR needs a nerf. The assault scrambler rifle is the AR of the Amarr and its just as good. I don't know about "just as good" as the AR's - the SR has less range than the AR. - Does less dmg (?) - Has an over heating mechanic. - Tact. Version of SR has no ACOG scope (which can be a pro or con depending on your playstyle)
DeadlyAztec11 One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 318	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:29:00 - [19] - Quote I remember asking CCP to buff the TAR back in Chromosome. I also remember warning them to *not* over buff it! We asked for recoil decrease and maybe 3% more damage per shot. Why is it that Dev's (in any game) always decide to make crappy guns OP and OP guns crappy? They need to listen to the community and go for little buff's not huge ones.
Xender17 Oblivion S.G.X 88	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:32:00 - [20] - Quote I think AR should be lowered to the SR standards...

Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 561	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:33:00 - [21] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I remember asking CCP to buff the TAR back in Chromosome. I also remember warning them to *not* over buff it! We asked for recoil decrease and maybe 3% more damage per shot. Why is it that Dev's (in any game) always decide to make crappy guns OP and OP guns crappy? They need to listen to the community and go for little buff's not huge ones. Imagine they would make poor race car drivers with the amount of over correcting they do. They should try a lighter touch.
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 276	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:34:00 - [22] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: mollerz wrote: Jin Robot wrote: mollerz wrote: I rarely use a GLU-tac. I mostly rock nova knives, flaylocks, and subby's lately. sometimes a shotty. People just jumped on the bandwagon. It's no big deal. digital weapons are digitally lethal. It's kind of annoying when people play a war game and get killed by war weapons and complain about it. do you even knwo what kind of game you are paying? What do you expect? might i suggest angry birds? OR tetris? Its called balance, its a vital part of these war games you seem to know little about. lololol. It's not balance you seek. It's bland vanilla wins where you get to dictate your enemy and their equipment that you seek. let's not delude ourselves, shall we? I nova knife, shotgun blast, and sub machine gun Tac users every single battle. I have no problem with people using the weapon of their choice. So what's your excuse? And please, let's not try to hide behind the balance excuse. you are delusional, its unbalanced. You suck at this game so I am delusional Okay. whatever keeps you coming back.
Celeblhach Liberum Sapiens Xenodochi 22	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:37:00 - [23] - Quote Its far safer to do multiple small buffs than one large buff anyways. That way weapons don't fly from crap to OP all in one go and that sweet spot in between is easier to hit. In Beta, you never saw TARs because they were underwhelming at best, but now...
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1565	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:46:00 - [24] - Quote OP doesn't have any gun game.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 561	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:47:00 - [25] - Quote mollerz wrote: Jin Robot wrote: mollerz wrote: Jin Robot wrote: mollerz wrote: I rarely use a GLU-tac. I mostly rock nova knives, flaylocks, and subby's lately. sometimes a shotty. People just jumped on the bandwagon. It's no big deal. digital weapons are digitally lethal. It's kind of annoying when people play a war game and get killed by war weapons and complain about it. do you even knwo what kind of game you are paying? What do you expect? might i suggest angry birds? OR tetris? Its called balance, its a vital part of these war games you seem to know little about. lololol. It's not balance you seek. It's bland vanilla wins where you get to dictate your enemy and their equipment that you seek. let's not delude ourselves, shall we? I nova knife, shotgun blast, and sub machine gun Tac users every single battle. I have no problem with people using the weapon of their choice. So what's your excuse? And please, let's not try to hide behind the balance excuse. you are delusional, its unbalanced. You suck at this game so I am delusional Okay. whatever keeps you coming back. My argument= a valid argument about the importance of balance in a fps. Your argument= name calling and nonsense.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:48:00 - [26] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: Laser rifle? Poor damage output? He obviously doesn't know how to use it. Same for the scrambler rifle, which is supposed to be the Tac AR but the TAC AR needs a nerf. The assault scrambler rifle is the AR of the Amarr and its just as good. I don't know about "just as good" as the AR's - the SR has less range than the AR. - Does less dmg (?) - Has an over heating mechanic. - Tact. Version of SR has no ACOG scope (which can be a pro or con depending on your playstyle) I'm talking about the assault scrambler rifle. The SR as far as I know has the same range. Same DPS The overheating isn't a problem as you can expend a full clip without having any skills into scrambler rifles and you won't overheat Remember that the assault scrambler rifle has a bigger clip, and also uses less ammo. (It has less fire rate, but higher damage)
Skipper Jones ZionTCD Unclaimed. 54	Posted - 2013.05.22 19:54:00 - [27] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: Laser rifle? Poor damage output? He obviously doesn't know how to use it. Same for the scrambler rifle, which is supposed to be the Tac AR but the TAC AR needs a nerf. The assault scrambler rifle is the AR of the Amarr and its just as good. I don't know about "just as good" as the AR's - the SR has less range than the AR. - Does less dmg (?) - Has an over heating mechanic. - Tact. Version of SR has no ACOG scope (which can be a pro or con depending on your playstyle) Less range doesn't really affect much because if you fire at an enemy with the 'extra' range the ar has, you probably wont kill him. Advanced assault sr does more damage than the duvoule ar. It's over-heating mechanic is only a problem with the regular sr, not the assault variant I personally dislike the ACOG scope on the tactical variant, but that's just your play style. Personally, i think the only weapon that is totally useless is the laser rifle. (those sights are awful). The weapon you use matters completely to your play style. I don't agree that using another weapon other than the assault rifle is a bad choice.
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 276	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:03:00 - [28] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: My argument= a valid argument about the importance of balance in a fps. Your argument= name calling and nonsense. Name calling? Surely you jest. It's dishonest to say I called you any names, but you know- it is a common tactic for someone who made no points to say they did and throw in a BS I get to stay above making said point because you called me a name. but you see, I didn't. So let's go back to the fact you never made a point or an argument. The word balance is not an argument or a point. The way you say it, it's merely an opinion. But please, don't let me segue you out of your mock poutrage.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion of Darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 37	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:10:00 - [29] - Quote If you play this game purely for effectiveness and to "win", using anything but ARs and TARs means you're a moron. It is CLEARLY better than every single other light weapon. Better range, better damage application, better clip size, no overheating, more versatility because it works at close to long range... The only reason to use another gun is maybe at super QCQ or if another gun is more fun for you...but you sacrifice K/D ratio and overall effectiveness. I run flaylocks/knives and simply skip every single long range map...I don't want to hop onto the AR bandwagon. Will probably get bored quicker that way, but that just means I'll switch to another game sooner rather than later. OP weapons are a killer if you're not willing to be boring and jump on the bandwagon. As it stands, there's no way I'll play Dust for as long as EVE (8yrs!).
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion of Darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 37	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:17:00 - [30] - Quote mollerz wrote: Jin Robot wrote: mollerz wrote: I rarely use a GLU-tac. I mostly rock nova knives, flaylocks, and subby's lately. sometimes a shotty. People just jumped on the bandwagon. It's no big deal. digital weapons are digitally lethal. It's kind of annoying when people play a war game and get killed by war weapons and complain about it. do you even knwo what kind of game you are paying? What do you expect? might i suggest angry birds? OR tetris? Its called balance, its a vital part of these war games you seem to know little about. lololol. It's not balance you seek. It's bland vanilla wins where you get to dictate your enemy and their equipment that you seek. let's not delude ourselves, shall we? I nova knife, shotgun blast, and sub machine gun Tac users every single battle. I have no problem with people using the weapon of their choice. So what's your excuse? And please, let's not try to hide behind the balance excuse. And you do all that on short range maps...on every single long range map you're completely useless against TARs. I love knives and short range weapons too, but to claim you own in every single game against TARs is a ridiculous lie.



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