Players not good with douv tac will continue to justify a nerf for it, I guess that's what happens when you can't compete.


Just know, a nerf will never make you a good player.

see I used the tac in Chromosome and while everyone said it was trash and had too much recoil, I actually found it a viable weapon. You had to counter the recoil with the right stick and take advantage of the camera sight to get those headshots. It took skill. Now, I can even tell when I'm killed by a tac without looking at the feed due to how abnormally fast that thing kills you.

I'd say nerf the damage output, but honestly I'd just remove it from the game at this point... the tac single handedly renders a handful of weapons obsolete as it stands. (I miss being cooked by viziams)

As zitro stated above you can add damage mods and skills to tanks so they can be made to do more damage. But this thing can be strikingly simular to some tanks damage output. Not a good tank, a gunlogi with a blaster and no damage mods

Buff the range on other guns (not TAC) and you will see a big difference.

If youre going to nerf the Duvolle/GLU, then nerf the shotgun. I can see a TAC user coming, a TAC won't take me down with 1 shot. A shotgun will and you ususally don't see the user or hear the shot anymore.

Maple I can put up some numbers an call it math as well. Lots of different combinations you can use to tweak the numbers one way or another, math is funny that way.


Lets say they nerf the TAC, which weapon will everyone goto? Easy, Scrambler Rifle, then we will have a ton of people wanting that nerfed.


Instead of finding the OP weapon and calling for a nerf. Point it out and ask for a buff of all the other weapons. Sick of all the different weapons in this game (has alot that arent AR) being nerfed to **** when people cry OP. But noone asks for weapons to be buffed...

Tanks need a buff, all weapons need a 10% range increase just to see how that would affect medium range gunplay. As it stands now, if you don't use a TAC, you will get outranged.

Buff the range on other guns (not TAC) and you will see a big difference.

As you all know, this weapon is the go to weapon for noobs, casuals, ringers, hardcore players, CPMs, pubs, PC, ect. We all bickered about the weapon because its too powerful but there has been a lack of proper reasoning beyond bable. Heres my bable:


The Duvolle Tac has 78.5 damage, pretty fair amount, a proto blaster turrent, the ion cannon. does 136.5. about half as much damage, seems ligit. But if you have pro 5 (3% damage increase per level) 78.5 raises to 90.275. If you are in the caldari or mini assult you have lots of high slots (4 and 5 respectably). Slap on 4 damage mods and 90.275 raises to 121.675 damage per shot.

Pro 5 is VERY easy to do and will basically be manditory with the respec and reduction in SP cost. 4 damage mods is ligit if your doing some support gunning behind the scenes, if you disagree it is certainly used in pubs. So with how easy this will be to obtain for alot of players, PC demands this exploit. In conclusion, DUST's most common battlefeild weapon can do more damage than ANY non proto blaster turrent. If you want more sheilds then take off a damage mod or 2 and your doing as much damage as low grade advanced tank turrents.

Lets compare this fit to an Ion Cannon.

This AR does 121.675 damage, only 14.85 damage less than an Ion Cannon
The Duvolle Tac has a 30 round clip wich is about equivilant in the volume of rounds of the ion cannon's coolent before it overheats.
Both have 100% perfect accuracy
Both can zoom
The Tac does not have a small blast but the Ion Cannon does
The rate of fire can be jus as bast as Ion Cannon with no damage/rof enhancer with a fast trigger (no skill required)
Both are hybrid weapons (does 100% damage to both sheilds and armor)

So these are very simular weapons, both doing simular amounts of damage, rate of fire and "clip" size.
If you really wanna, you can have a tank cannon in your hands. Choose your tank cannon and slap on the correct amount of damage mods, you have a blaster. The only diffrence is you can fit your Duvolle in tight spaces

The only change that really needs to be made on this weapon is the removal of the 10% dmg buff that all weapons rcv'd. That was not needed for this weapon. Otherwise the weapon has plenty of drawbacks. Its ok in CQC but the reg AR is much better in CQC than the tact rifle. I understand most of you guys are upset because you liked the fact that last build the tact rifle was absolutely junk. Now they increased the dmg and lowered the recoil slightly such that it is a good choice again. Also another reason why you see it alot is because CCP nerfed all ranges.....which means the guns that have longer natural ranges will be in higher demand now.

That said the ONLY real issue on TAR is its hipfire dispersion and it being far too easy to kill while hipfiring the weapon and possibly its ROF in conjuction with hipfire but its hard to isolate the 2 from each other which is why CCP needs to tweak one and leave the other before they tweak both; confounding variable this is how they work and you control for one to test the other that is what is known as multivariate analysis



Professor Nightingale out,

Class dismissed

Try it with the Skills and Damage Mods applied to the Turret please. THEN compare.

Okay nerds let me explain the concept of a confounding variable.

A hidden unseen variable that masks the true effect of the desired variable.

The caldari logi suit and damage mod stacking are 2 of these in your justification maple.


Moreover to all you spreadsheet my MATH is MATH(numbers don't lie crowd) out there let me explain this in simple terms

FPS =\= MAGIC THE GATHERING ; i dont't simply turn my card and magically do full DPS on an enemy, there is a difference between theoretical DPS and actual/realized DPS.

Moreover DPS is meaningless because it operates under the assumption of continued un-interrupted fire over a 60s interval and yet people forget to factor in the clips of weapons, as well as recoil, weapon accuracy vs user accuracy, and the fact that you simply aren't outputting all that damage at once.

See this is why we can't have nice things in Dust, a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals who come in and say oh look at my numbers they are MATH so they MUST be correct, WRONG numbers can lie if you are operating under crap assumptions which is exactly what DPS is in an FPS a crap assumption.

Im not going to waste my time lecturing people on statistical analysis methodologies and sources of error, I simply don't have the patience or the time. Suffice to say if CCP is going to be monitoring the TAR (as they should all weapons) they best be monitoring the most successful teams in PC and the not so successful teams in PC and see if it is just TAR or if there are other variable at play too.



That said the ONLY real issue on TAR is its hipfire dispersion and it being far too easy to kill while hipfiring the weapon and possibly its ROF in conjuction with hipfire but its hard to isolate the 2 from each other which is why CCP needs to tweak one and leave the other before they tweak both; confounding variable this is how they work and you control for one to test the other that is what is known as multivariate analysis



Professor Nightingale out,

Class dismissed

Ethire way its there. Ethire 3 formulas

brown noser...

^ The problem.

Also, Maple, you might want to apply to CCP, they also like to balance the game using their infamous math and data. They have done great job so far, haven't they?