Just so u know as a expert ar user I think a regular ar is better than a tac..... Ill let others figure it out :) (psst I know what I'm talking about)

Stacking penalties apply to the complex damage mods. 4 of them will net you 29.96% damage increase not 40%.

http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Stacking_Penalties

Just so u know as a expert ar user I think a regular ar is better than a tac..... Ill let others figure it out :) (psst I know what I'm talking about)

Lol maple you can stack damage mods on tanks too, and if you use it right it has the highest DPS. Lol see how dumb that sounds?

Things a tank can do an AR can't, let's start with the most obvious, it has a lot of EHP compared to any suit. Lets not forget the infinite ammo like come on, do you even pay attention to this game or do you just find spent big you don't like and cry about it. When I cried about something I had legit complaints and understood how it was broken. Now lets move on from just throwing a tantrum maple and lets fix the other 99% of this game that is broken.

It certianly is the way to go, it clearly can do as much damage as a proto tank turrent. Its not an AV weapon so it will not kill tanks like a tank blaster will but it certainly preforms simularly to kill infaintry. I did not say it is exactly as effective as a tank blaster turrent but the facts are there and tons of ppl know how it works in game. If you like, i can spec an alt into proto assult with cpu enhancers damage mod D TAC and post up a video on how badly i would destroy in PC and pubs?

okay lets do the math with this instead. Throw on 4 damage mods and the stacking penalties are reduced from 40% to 29.96%.

Lets add profficentcy 5 to both of them.
4 damage mods (no stack penalty) + 15% pro = +55% damage wich turns D tac into 121.675
4 damage mods (with stacking penalty) + 15% pro = + 44.96% wich turns D tac into 113.7936

Okay that makes a diffrence of 7.8814. Soo its equivilant ADV blaster tank turrent per shot... getting better

Dident say you dident nikia your awsume with ARs. Though this is all about math and practise

Riiight, like 90% of the people in CoD don't use SMGs...

Only person looking silly is you. I made a smart ass comment and you got all butthurt. You on Activision's payroll or something?

Not sure it works that way.

I think (I could be wrong here though) that it works like this:

Base Damage x Skills Bonus x Modifiers

So in our case it would be:

78.5 * 1.15 * 1.2996 = 117 damage per shot

Hate to be the bearer of bad news Exmaple Core, but tank turrets just got ninja nerfed. I hope you don't have to redo your math because of this.

okay lets do the math with this instead. Throw on 4 damage mods and the stacking penalties are reduced from 40% to 29.96%.

Lets add profficentcy 5 to both of them.
4 damage mods (no stack penalty) + 15% pro = +55% damage wich turns D tac into 121.675
4 damage mods (with stacking penalty) + 15% pro = + 44.96% wich turns D tac into 113.7936

Okay that makes a diffrence of 7.8814. Soo its equivilant ADV blaster tank turrent per shot... getting better

Try it with the Skills and Damage Mods applied to the Turret please. THEN compare.

We are all well aware that the tank blaster turrent can do faaaar more damage because you can add damage mods and skills on them too. Im simply throwing up the math and pointing out how simular they are and they are pretty simular. Wouldent you agree? As much as im not paying attention to the game your not paying attention to what everyone is talking about on this post. Its not about a tank being better than a dropsuit or having ammo diffrences its how simular the weapons are

They are not similar at all. This is what happens when people who don't use a class cry about what you can do with that said class/weapon. I'm pointing out how ignorant people choose to see only the things they want to and not the whole thing. Till you do that, all you are doing is throwing a tantrum like a 12 year old brat

The funny/worst part is, we've had absolutely 0 acknowledgement from CCP re: the TAC. No 'Working as inteded', no 'Broken weapon, we know', no 'We've got higher priorities'.. Nothing.

That's what stings the most. If they had plans to fix it, they should say it. Don't get me wrong - Dust DEV's Best Devs - but it seems that the actual devs of the game are the ones making the posts. No department dedicated to the forums. So if the devs are busy(which im about 100% sure they are), they cant really interact with us forum trolls.

It's a vicious cycle. :(

Whoa i can blow up tanks with a TAR who knew

Scrambler rifles and SMG user here so yea come at me bro about my TAR abuse.

Something else to keep in mind. Assuming you use a Caldari ck.0 proto suit, you have 4 high slots for your damage mods. However without shields in those slots you're going to be fairly vulnerable to return fire. Sure you can take proto assaults down in 4-5 hits but they can probably do the same to you with your 330 basic EHP. Armour plates might give you an addition shot or two of survivability but a scrambler will mince you quickly, no?

to be honest the weapon shouldnt be nerfed its the damage mods that are making the weapon this powerful. all ccp has to do is only let you use 1 damage mod per suit and this theory changes. its a tac rifle its going to be powerful. no offence to any of the greats in the game but seriously guys stop posting nerf this nerf that threads post like this is what screwed the build up in the first place.
dont you people learn?

Yes but this still works in pubs because everyone you see in pubs is bad for some reason. And in some PC battles this is viable. Not saying alot lol but you could defend or take a district against a bad team with this and win or be veryyy cautious and play hard in serrious games, i bet i could pull it off and some other great players if we played as gay as we could with vantage points and squads. But srly this is about this being possible at all

As you all know, this weapon is the go to weapon for noobs, casuals, ringers, hardcore players, CPMs, pubs, PC, ect. We all bickered about the weapon because its too powerful but there has been a lack of proper reasoning beyond bable. Heres my bable:


The Duvolle Tac has 78.5 damage, pretty fair amount, a proto blaster turrent, the ion cannon. does 136.5. about half as much damage, seems ligit. But if you have pro 5 (3% damage increase per level) 78.5 raises to 90.275. If you are in the caldari or mini assult you have lots of high slots (4 and 5 respectably). Slap on 4 damage mods and 90.275 raises to 121.675 damage per shot.

Pro 5 is VERY easy to do and will basically be manditory with the respec and reduction in SP cost. 4 damage mods is ligit if your doing some support gunning behind the scenes, if you disagree it is certainly used in pubs. So with how easy this will be to obtain for alot of players, PC demands this exploit. In conclusion, DUST's most common battlefeild weapon can do more damage than ANY non proto blaster turrent. If you want more sheilds then take off a damage mod or 2 and your doing as much damage as low grade advanced tank turrents.

Lets compare this fit to an Ion Cannon.

This AR does 121.675 damage, only 14.85 damage less than an Ion Cannon
The Duvolle Tac has a 30 round clip wich is about equivilant in the volume of rounds of the ion cannon's coolent before it overheats.
Both have 100% perfect accuracy
Both can zoom
The Tac does not have a small blast but the Ion Cannon does
The rate of fire can be jus as bast as Ion Cannon with no damage/rof enhancer with a fast trigger (no skill required)
Both are hybrid weapons (does 100% damage to both sheilds and armor)

So these are very simular weapons, both doing simular amounts of damage, rate of fire and "clip" size.
If you really wanna, you can have a tank cannon in your hands. Choose your tank cannon and slap on the correct amount of damage mods, you have a blaster. The only diffrence is you can fit your Duvolle in tight spaces

I posted this as a heads up to warn ppl "hey, that squad of 4-6" ppl have weapons that do compareable damage to tank turrent, look out!" Never said nerf it :)