Ahh, so the buff scout threads begin.

I used to be a diehard scout fan, way back in chromosome, and I was very sad to see them go. *shakes his head* But I dropped that ***** like a bad habit for uprising, and I feel sorry for anyone not smart enough to have done the same.

scouts have no cpu/pg, they cant even hold protogear thats the problem

Heavies are being hit with a similar problem. Vehicles lost their grid buff skill. The dropsuit fitting buffs (and fitting discounts) in the skill tree have been made much tighter SP wise. My gut tells me it's about isk sinks increasing the time to higher end fits and thereby decreasing the number of people who can field "perfect" fits right now.

yea but the heavy has a health and weapon advantage, making them worth while to spec into

I think heavies need a slight damage nerf (5%?) and a slightly high hp buff (15%) to fit their role as the ultimate defender.

But Scouts too need something to fit their role on the battlefield. Stuff that works on the field, not just looks good on paper (you can't bring a knife to a gun fight in PC and be effective outside of luck, and lolz @ scan bonus)

CCP laid the groundwork for a lot of game mechanics in the near future. I know it sucks that we're stuck with half assed stuff because the rest of our package is still on the drawing boards, but be a patient. Scanning does need a buff on Gallente scouts though.

The health is a gimmie. Although the weapon is not, I've been killed by scouts with shotguns or people with sniper rifles many times. At least not enough feel like there's any advantage on my end.

Maybe cloaking will be worth the wait...

Don't underestimate the value of enemy detection.

Simple fix, give them back 2 equipment slots. The speed is useful for droplinks + lotsof gear. I miss my 2 equipment slot scouts. Plus cpu and pg to fix stuff...

They just need an extra slot. Also they have nerfed scout speed 4 times CAN YOU STOP?

I think heavies need a slight damage nerf (5%?) and a slightly high hp buff (15%) to fit their role as the ultimate defender.

But Scouts too need something to fit their role on the battlefield. Stuff that works on the field, not just looks good on paper (you can't bring a knife to a gun fight in PC and be effective outside of luck, and lolz @ scan bonus)

I agree. Get that minny weapon out of the hands of the Amarr, damn it! The amarr style is probably worst suited to using a minny weapon. I'd love to see what the other racial heavy weapons would be :)

But right now, in PC, heavies rely on dps to tank, not actual tank. They die so fast to concentrated fire, and because of their ability to lay down a firestorm of damage, they DO take concentrated fire.

No one has really hit on the core problem here, which is the scanning range. Everyone has a scanning range of 10 meters, it used to be quite larger in Chromosome. 10 meters is half of that smallest inner circle on your radar. It is completely useless.

The scouts biggest asset is supposed to be it's low profile signature and scan precision, but with only a 10 meter passive scanning radius even a heavy can sneak behind enemy lines undetected.

I'm guessing they introduced this insanity because of the active scanner. It's one of those hammers people accuse CCP of using from time to time.

Scouts biggest assets are strafe speed and small hitbox.

So it tends to do really well in public matches. I do worry how it would contend against a group of really solid players though.

But the scouts big strengths are the heavies biggest weakness and everyone agrees the heavy sucks. So I dont think its fair to jus tthrow those things away as meaningless. There are two things you can not improve via skills and modules, those are the things the scout is best at.

I say this as someone who almost exclusively went scout. In fact, Im an idiot and went gallante scout, so I have the ****** scout, and i still like it. Im respecing into mimitar.

Would that be with a proto suit maxed out with range enhancements in the low slots?

Could be useful as heck as a support role. But I play an agressive hit and run style, so I think the added speed and the slots for more shield provide me with a better build for my play style.

I also use an active scanner, which while not as good as 100M passive, helps accomplish a similar thing if I use it well. Would passive scanned enemies appear on team mates radar as well or just mine?

The scout is a lovely suit, but it can't compete in Planetary Conquest.

Why?

Anything they can do Logi can do better. And with the coming changes to the skill system, If you skill into proto logi, you can also get proto assault quite easily.

The logi can sprint just as fast with more HP, and 3 equipment slots. They can sprint to the middle objective just as fast as I can, drop more uplinks, hack faster, then lay down remote explosives and ammo to entrench their team on that letter. They can even attack me on my letter before I can finish the hack, and with their 3x ehp, while I'm sacrificing some EHP to run better speed modules, they will almost certainly beat me.

Did I mention that scouts have terrible CPU and PG? On my proto scout with lvl 3 core skills, I can't run 3 complex shields, a proto weapons, and anything else at complex lvl, or even adv. This is WITH sacrificing my sidearm. If I want to run dua enhanced kin cats, the best I can get for isk, I have to make even more sacrifices.

What would make the scout competitive in PC?

A 2nd equipment slot.

bonuses to active scanner and drop uplinks.

Either a base speed buff, or a skill thingy that increases the effectiveness of kin cats or reduces fitting costs.

I don't want scouts to become yet another, slightly faster, line soldier. I want to be able to fit my role of sneaky bugger ninja hacking enemy objectives and destroying critical drop uplinks behind enemy lines.

If I had to pick just one thing to make us better, I would say giving us a 2nd equipment slot and the cpu and pg needed to run decent equipment would do it. If you want to keep us from playing medic, add suit nerfs to the use of triage and nanite injectors or something.

I use scouts, they are monsters with Scrambler rifles.

I use scouts, they are monsters with Scrambler rifles.

Scouts are fine in PC if they use shotgun...

I haven't see any scouts do good in about 20 PC matches, most don't even bother to choose scout.

Scouts would get trashed against anyone good

Me and maple seem to do pretty good/decent in our PC battles. However that might be because most of our PC fights are in the city maps, in which scout shottys (or just shottys in general) dominate.

Anyhow I would actually love for scouts to get a buff. However I believe that ATM they are pretty decent.

I would like to run scout but then I realized it's impossible to carry the gear i want

3 complex shields
1 proto shotgun
1 proto nova knives
1 proto grenade
1 proto re

You can't even fit it

Ahh, so the buff scout threads begin.

I used to be a diehard scout fan, way back in chromosome, and I was very sad to see them go. *shakes his head* But I dropped that ***** like a bad habit for uprising, and I feel sorry for anyone not smart enough to have done the same.

Heavies are being hit with a similar problem. Vehicles lost their grid buff skill. The dropsuit fitting buffs (and fitting discounts) in the skill tree have been made much tighter SP wise. My gut tells me it's about isk sinks increasing the time to higher end fits and thereby decreasing the number of people who can field "perfect" fits right now.

Don't underestimate the value of enemy detection.

100 meters passive scan range? How's you're math work out on that one?

B = 10
m1 = .50
m2 = .50
m3 = .45

B + B(m1 + m2+ m3+ (m3*.89)+(m3*.57)+(m3*.28) = 32.33 (assuming eve stacking penalties) or 38 without stacking penalties

... I made a mistake going Gallante (i didnt realize the pro suit LOSES a high slot compared to advanced, that is what bums me out) ...

I disagree with everyone wanting more speed. I just want more profile dampening; I want scouts to be stealthier, not faster.

But since the base value for all dropsuits scan radius is 10 meters it really doesn't matter how low your profile signature is as long as you aren't running close enough behind someone's back that you can almost touch.

Everyone's scan radius needs to be increased so the scouts profile dampening actually has a benefit.

Scouts are fine in PC if they use shotgun...

Scouts are fine in PC if they use shotgun...

drop uplinks... logi would be better.

hacking... logi would be better

scanning... logi would be better

Speed... logi would almost be as good

Not mine! Takes 3+ point-blank shots to drop a prototype medium.

Then there's the ever-present TAR fire. Fast or not, flanking or not, I'm an easy kill the second I stop sprinting and engage.

As a scout in PC, the only way I can contribute is by running around the fringes of conflict, painting hostiles with an active scanner.

Then again, I'm not at 10M+ SP like you and ExmapleCore. Maybe that's the problem ... need more SP to be viable .

- Shotty GoBang

However if you're a good player, you will be useful as a scout in PC. Not that I'm saying you suck or anything.

Me? Decent, at best and a fool to boot. Definitely not on your level. That being said, probably ought not spend my modest SP balance on a suit shown so little love in Uprising.

They need to add the hi/lo slots back that they took from scouts and its fine. No one gets more than one equip slot except the logi.

They need to add the hi/lo slots back that they took from scouts and its fine. No one gets more than one equip slot except the logi.