the problem with you new players is we VETS have been playing this game since open beta (some closed beta) we have invested many many hours . You have to EARN everything you get in Dust. Join a good corp (like KiLo. :) ) make friends in pub rooms and learn how to play

uograde your dropsuits, shields, armor and skill point to be able to hang in rooms. you can take on protos if you play smart and upgrade your skills you should be fine.. buy booster packs passive and active to stack more sp... stop crying and grind it out

the problem with you new players is we VETS have been playing this game since open beta (some closed beta) we have invested many many hours . You have to EARN everything you get in Dust. Join a good corp (like KiLo. :) ) make friends in pub rooms and learn how to play

uograde your dropsuits, shields, armor and skill point to be able to hang in rooms. you can take on protos if you play smart and upgrade your skills you should be fine.. buy booster packs passive and active to stack more sp... stop crying and grind it out..

you can do well with GEK rifles , HMG and other dropsuits you can compete with protos

To start off, I am competitive, just not an egoist who goes catatonic when a loss occurs or too afraid to take one for the team. Since the idea of losing is a limiting factor it would constitute it as a flaw. I have a moderate ratio that floats around 2:1, and only so much sp, so under you tier system I wouldnGÇÖt get to play against better players without long grinding to raise my k/d, sp, wp or whatever metric you use for tiers.

I am not against having different isk and sp rewards for killing higher equipment mercs, I'd be ecstatic on that actually considering my kills and equipment differences between them. That would also really make player skill more useful than equipment as the isk loss/gain ratio would be great for low equipped skilled players. Nor am I against a high sec, low sec, null sec construct but that doesnGÇÖt force players to separate but introduces incentives, as I would like to be in low or null.

What a heavy tier system would do is it wouldnGÇÖt have players review what they did wrong and improve their strategy for winning under uneven circumstances, even with one character build there are different strategy pending on the skill of your opponent, meaning it would create less adaptive players. Also there will never be even circumstances. Also I can personally attest that a discrepancy in game play skill is able to trump equipment and sp differences, team work on the other hand is a lot harder to topple and that difference would be hard to even out, unless you advocate breaking things up by equipment costs, sp, and by squad and no squad in which case the pools would be too small.

In regards to "getting beat down for trying to take an objective", mindlessly walking into the same situation over and over again without changing up your strategy and expecting different results is silly, but that alone is one of the best learning curves out there. If you got shot down with a head on charge dancing with a AR user, and you do the same thing again and again with that same AR user from the same direction, then the message starts to sink in and you see that reflected in how they approach things because things start to click after ones ego is able to let it go.

Also, learning occurs when you lose or see someone perform on a higher level. If you create a heavy tier system, no amount of equipment or sp is going to prepare you for the playing skill difference once you make that jump into the next tier, there is no avoiding that. Eventually there will be a point when you get bumped up and you will lose and then get bumped back down into the lower tier. The idea that veterans would ever see any new players is fictitious in and of itself.

Lastly, the elements we are working with here are entirely pvp oriented, no pve has been introduced and it is that sector which should be the home you are looking for. Tiers work for games which your side constitutes only you, in team oriented games tiers work as crutches, and that is my fear with a strict tier system in dust.

I can see the point you're making and I actually agree to the plain fact that people have to work to become proficient in what they do on the battlefield but your comparison I think is unfortunately a bit flawed.
You being the Vets of today never had the problem of grinding your way up against skilled, experienced and Proto geared players. When the beta started the game was new to everyone and the people fighting were equally experienced.
The new players of today don't have that. In order to accomplish the same the obstacles in their way are a lot harder to get over.
Maybe you should give it a try creating a new character and start your way up once you're out of the academy. After this point you have what it takes to speak about the problems on this issue.
None the less I agree to your statement that it's necessary for new people to group up with people and find a suitable corporation. But a lot players have never been in touch with the EVE Universe so they don't know how important it is to join a corporation. A lot of them come from COD or BF I'd assume, start the game, getting farmed over and over again and then go back to whereever they came from. And that ist just bad for DUST's environment.

This topic is not about the Vets telling the new players not to cry, it's about showing to CCP that there is a very high demand for a matchmaking system in order to keep new players stick to the game and therefor we should stop insulting each other and bringing up this issue in a mature and construcive manner.

Fact is that the current matches aren't balanced in any way and even though new players might be capable of scoring against the vets with their GEK in certain situations battles are a lot more fun when they are balanced and said battle is a competitive on instead of predetermined slaghter parties for the vets. The situation as it is right now is absolutely unfavorable for vets and newbs alike and I think this is an issue that needs to be solved by CCP as soon as possible.

If anyone of you should feel offended please accept my apologies and be sure that this was absolutey not my intention.

1000000000000000000000% agree.. I have a family and work and have proto gear.. OP sounds like a sore loser NEW BERRY player who wants everything right off the bat like COD.. go back to cod u baby

the problem with you new players is we VETS have been playing this game since open beta (some closed beta) we have invested many many hours . You have to EARN everything you get in Dust. Join a good corp (like KiLo. :) ) make friends in pub rooms and learn how to play

uograde your dropsuits, shields, armor and skill point to be able to hang in rooms. you can take on protos if you play smart and upgrade your skills you should be fine.. buy booster packs passive and active to stack more sp... stop crying and grind it out..

you can do well with GEK rifles , HMG and other dropsuits you can compete with protos

My question then has to be: Why are some of these self proclaimed awesome vets so against not getting to pubstomp?

I am already seeing many players quitting after being frustrated by nearly full proto teams against teams of randoms. I fear that the number of long term players will suffer from this.

This is where all the career 24/7 lifers that spend more time in the Eve universe than they do the real one will chime in with "that is just how it works in Eve" blah, blah, blah. All I can say to that is congratulations on your glorious one sided victories against lesser equipped players who actually get laid. Well played, sir. I know that THOSE players don't want instant battles changed so that they go up against anyone who is equally equipped because they will most likely lose and they don't like that. .

To CCP - I want to thank you guys for an awesome game. What you have done is truly impressive and has potential to be one of the best games out there. While I think throwing in some stacked matches occasionally is a good thing, if a player comes in and spends the majority of the time getting cut in half by 16 duvolles while the rest of their team hides behind the red line they will probably stop playing. At least SOME balance is needed in INSTANT battles. That's just not fun.

You started out reasonable, then turned into an f-head, for no reason. Well played, sir. Well played

a gear restriction would be much more effective.

all ive seen is proto and adv gear its really annoying.

and yet they complain about getting a 30/2 kdr throwing a fit about dieing.

in my opinion proto gear should be given massive negative drawbacks such as higher pg/cpu reqs and various other stuff while standard gear and be given the least pg/spu reqs and much more versatility in the field.

this sounds like a good away to balance the game.

my other option is restricting proto and adv gear from pub matches all together therefore making pubstomping next to impossible.

You started out reasonable, then turned into an f-head, for no reason. Well played, sir. Well played.

a gear restriction would be much more effective.

all ive seen is proto and adv gear its really annoying.

and yet they complain about getting a 30/2 kdr throwing a fit about dieing.

in my opinion proto gear should be given massive negative drawbacks such as higher pg/cpu reqs and various other stuff while standard gear and be given the least pg/spu reqs and much more versatility in the field.

this sounds like a good away to balance the game.

my other option is restricting proto and adv gear from pub matches all together therefore making pubstomping next to impossible.

a gear restriction would be much more effective.

all ive seen is proto and adv gear its really annoying.

and yet they complain about getting a 30/2 kdr throwing a fit about dieing.

in my opinion proto gear should be given massive negative drawbacks such as higher pg/cpu reqs and various other stuff while standard gear and be given the least pg/spu reqs and much more versatility in the field.

this sounds like a good away to balance the game.

my other option is restricting proto and adv gear from pub matches all together therefore making pubstomping next to impossible.

You are right, I did. It was an unfair stab at the inevitable "screw the blueberries, Dust and Eve are for elites" mentality that seems to plague these forums. That attitude is total BS. On the other hand, my preemptive blast on something I expected to happen was not fair. At least not in the general sense in which I put it.

Hi,

We are aware that when people drop out of the academy pool, the matchmaking becomes more uneven. This is partly due to the fact that the current matchmaking system favors shorter waiting times rather than perfect matches. We are working on a solution that favors stricter matchmaking but at the expense of possibly longer waiting times, especially for veteran players as they might be fewer of the around than average players, and so take a longer time to fill up a match.

These changes necessitate a client change to make players aware of the status of the wait, so it cannot be resolved completely on the server side.

thanks for your patience.

Making matchmaking a priority would be effective. It's not our fault that we get matched up against newberries that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. There's no tutorial and nothing from keeping them out of our battles. Why should we have to pay a price for being here first?

Hi,

We are aware that when people drop out of the academy pool, the matchmaking becomes more uneven. This is partly due to the fact that the current matchmaking system favors shorter waiting times rather than perfect matches. We are working on a solution that favors stricter matchmaking but at the expense of possibly longer waiting times, especially for veteran players as they might be fewer of the around than average players, and so take a longer time to fill up a match.

These changes necessitate a client change to make players aware of the status of the wait, so it cannot be resolved completely on the server side.

thanks for your patience.