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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.19 00:58:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78868&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79008&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79174&find=unread
^ These fine examples above are what I am talking about.
Playing the game beyond the rules established, playing the game more than the game intended.
Fitting balance numbers are considered part of the game as they all wind up effecting numbers on the field when it comes to shooting each other.
Getting people to back stab your supposed best friend, causing immeasurable damage well beyond DPS numbers an AR can put out in a million life times. Deleting your corp or booting the CEO out in a hostile take over and getting it pitted into a war it cannot win nor stop.
Watching your little empire crumble because you trusted the wrong guy.
Then getting your revenge....
This is meta-gaming. You are all playing it and those most unaware of it are pawns on the board. |
Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:00:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78868&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79008&find=unreadhttps://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79174&find=unread^ These fine examples above are what I am talking about. Playing the game beyond the rules established, playing the game more than the game intended. Fitting balance numbers are considered part of the game as they all wind up effecting numbers on the field when it comes to shooting each other. Getting people to back stab your supposed best friend, causing immeasurable damage well beyond DPS numbers an AR can put out in a million life times. Deleting your corp or booting the CEO out in a hostile take over and getting it pitted into a war it cannot win nor stop. Watching your little empire crumble because you trusted the wrong guy. Then getting your revenge.... This is meta-gaming. You are all playing it and those most unaware of it are pawns on the board.
Kitten Meta gaming. If CCP wants to have meta gaming in a FPS they can say goodbye to Dust. FPS don't like meta gaming. They like shooting people in the face. Dust reviews across the board have been subpar. |
Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
323
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:01:00 -
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we either need a way to kick people from matches, or flag them as threats. It only makes sense. |
Icy Xenosmilus
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
295
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:01:00 -
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I wish this game also had meta-G-aim. |
SoTa ReGnUM PoP
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:02:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78868&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79008&find=unreadhttps://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79174&find=unread^ These fine examples above are what I am talking about. Playing the game beyond the rules established, playing the game more than the game intended. Fitting balance numbers are considered part of the game as they all wind up effecting numbers on the field when it comes to shooting each other. Getting people to back stab your supposed best friend, causing immeasurable damage well beyond DPS numbers an AR can put out in a million life times. Deleting your corp or booting the CEO out in a hostile take over and getting it pitted into a war it cannot win nor stop. Watching your little empire crumble because you trusted the wrong guy. Then getting your revenge.... This is meta-gaming. You are all playing it and those most unaware of it are pawns on the board. Kitten Meta gaming. If CCP wants to have meta gaming in a FPS they can say goodbye to Dust. FPS don't like meta gaming. They like shooting people in the face. Dust reviews across the board have been subpar. Feel free to leave - META is why this game rocks - not the ****** FPS. You think any of us stayed because the FPS is awesome? Don't kid yourself. |
Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:04:00 -
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SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote: Kitten Meta gaming. If CCP wants to have meta gaming in a FPS they can say goodbye to Dust. FPS don't like meta gaming. They like shooting people in the face. Dust reviews across the board have been subpar.
Feel free to leave - META is why this game rocks - not the ****** FPS. You think any of us stayed because the FPS is awesome? Don't kid yourself. [/quote]
MAke me.
I can ***** and moan as much as I want and there is not a thing you can do about it. |
Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
323
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:04:00 -
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Bravo!
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Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:07:00 -
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Sontie wrote:we can destroy your corporation in PC. make you hate this game.
Only if you know what corporation I belong too can you destroy it. |
Samahiel
Goonfeet
8
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:09:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote: Kitten Meta gaming. If CCP wants to have meta gaming in a FPS they can say goodbye to Dust. FPS don't like meta gaming. They like shooting people in the face. Dust reviews across the board have been subpar.
There's an MMO called EVE Online. Perhaps you've heard of it? By many accounts it is a terrible game. It's PVE is predictable, and unengaging to the point that automation is seen in some cases as a requirement. It's PVP consists of hours of intense boredom punctuated by moments of extreme excitement. And yet, in spite of this, it has persevered. In fact, it has flourished because of one of the strongest player driven meta-games and player driven narratives on the market. If that doesn't interest you then you best get out, because I'd rather see dust burn than turn into another run of the mill sub-par call of duty clone. |
SoTa ReGnUM PoP
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:10:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:Sontie wrote:we can destroy your corporation in PC. make you hate this game. Only if you know what corporation I belong too can you destroy it. I need people like you around - how else am I going to farm like by being awesome in comparison? :D |
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Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:13:00 -
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Samahiel wrote:Banned From Forums wrote: Kitten Meta gaming. If CCP wants to have meta gaming in a FPS they can say goodbye to Dust. FPS don't like meta gaming. They like shooting people in the face. Dust reviews across the board have been subpar.
There's an MMO called EVE Online. Perhaps you've heard of it? By many accounts it is a terrible game. It's PVE is predictable, and unengaging to the point that automation is seen in some cases as a requirement. It's PVP consists of hours of intense boredom punctuated by moments of extreme excitement. And yet, in spite of this, it has persevered. In fact, it has flourished because of one of the strongest player driven meta-games and player driven narratives on the market. If that doesn't interest you then you best get out, because I'd rather see dust burn than turn into another run of the mill sub-par call of duty clone.
I play Eve. Thank you very much!
CCP said this game is newbie friendly. How can something that has this extensive meta gaming be newbie friendly? BS. The ratings say it all. Horribad reviews. |
Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:13:00 -
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SoTa ReGnUM PoP wrote:Banned From Forums wrote:Sontie wrote:we can destroy your corporation in PC. make you hate this game. Only if you know what corporation I belong too can you destroy it. I need people like you around - how else am I going to farm like by being awesome in comparison? :D
Try STB. I hear Deadpool is aching to attack them. |
Acnologia X
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
21
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:14:00 -
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looks like CRONOS. are the only ones playing the meta-game, everyone expecting COD/BF matches LOL |
Samahiel
Goonfeet
8
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:15:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote: I play Eve. Thank you very much!
CCP said this game is newbie friendly. How can something that has this extensive meta gaming be newbie friendly? BS. The ratings say it all. Horribad reviews.
Eve has an extensive meta game and is completely newbie friendly. I even made a guide. https://dpwf7uc3ns479.cloudfront.net/newbie-guide-final-2013.pdf |
bumm baliste
TTCorp
5
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:19:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78868&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79008&find=unreadhttps://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79174&find=unread^ These fine examples above are what I am talking about. Playing the game beyond the rules established, playing the game more than the game intended. Fitting balance numbers are considered part of the game as they all wind up effecting numbers on the field when it comes to shooting each other. Getting people to back stab your supposed best friend, causing immeasurable damage well beyond DPS numbers an AR can put out in a million life times. Deleting your corp or booting the CEO out in a hostile take over and getting it pitted into a war it cannot win nor stop. Watching your little empire crumble because you trusted the wrong guy. Then getting your revenge.... This is meta-gaming. You are all playing it and those most unaware of it are pawns on the board. Kitten Meta gaming. If CCP wants to have meta gaming in a FPS they can say goodbye to Dust. FPS don't like meta gaming. They like shooting people in the face. Dust reviews across the board have been subpar.
that's because dust as a game is sub-par not because its scares FPS guys. The game right now just feels off, the core shooter mechanics do not work right, and the weapons are all broke as ****(tactics??? thats when you use a tac AR instead of a normal AR, right?), the game feels more like a chore to play then a joy, and thats what shooters should be. That doesn't mean that I am against putting in the work for the meta game, just that meta game or no the combat play like ****. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:19:00 -
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Samahiel wrote:Banned From Forums wrote: I play Eve. Thank you very much!
CCP said this game is newbie friendly. How can something that has this extensive meta gaming be newbie friendly? BS. The ratings say it all. Horribad reviews.
Eve has an extensive meta game and is completely newbie friendly. I even made a guide. https://dpwf7uc3ns479.cloudfront.net/newbie-guide-final-2013.pdf
Holy...wow. That is impressive. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Planetary Response Organization
37
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:23:00 -
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Samahiel wrote:Banned From Forums wrote: Kitten Meta gaming. If CCP wants to have meta gaming in a FPS they can say goodbye to Dust. FPS don't like meta gaming. They like shooting people in the face. Dust reviews across the board have been subpar.
There's an MMO called EVE Online. Perhaps you've heard of it? By many accounts it is a terrible game. It's PVE is predictable, and unengaging to the point that automation is seen in some cases as a requirement. It's PVP consists of hours of intense boredom punctuated by moments of extreme excitement. And yet, in spite of this, it has persevered. In fact, it has flourished because of one of the strongest player driven meta-games and player driven narratives on the market. If that doesn't interest you then you best get out, because I'd rather see dust burn than turn into another run of the mill sub-par call of duty clone.
Ultimately, I will either like this game or dislike it based upon one criteria: On the rare occasion that I do something genuinely brilliant, this game won't hinder others from realizing and appreciating it. I know there are layers upon layers in this game, but most of them are simply not the least bit intriguing to me. I don't care if you call it a Duvolle Tactical or Burgerflipper 20 LD. Did it just lay a guy out? Good. I'm glad it was in my hands when it did it. All this other stuff can go spin. |
Banned From Forums
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:23:00 -
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Samahiel wrote:Banned From Forums wrote: I play Eve. Thank you very much!
CCP said this game is newbie friendly. How can something that has this extensive meta gaming be newbie friendly? BS. The ratings say it all. Horribad reviews.
Eve has an extensive meta game and is completely newbie friendly. I even made a guide. https://dpwf7uc3ns479.cloudfront.net/newbie-guide-final-2013.pdfAlso I've been doing nothing but making this game Newbie friendly for the roughly 300 neck beards under my care who've joined in the last two weeks. Hard to get much newer than that, we have to teach them which end of the rifle shoots try hard MAG burnouts.
Meta gaming is nothing but Chaos theory. LMFAO @ Goonie plagiarism. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4342
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:24:00 -
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Samahiel wrote:Banned From Forums wrote: I play Eve. Thank you very much!
CCP said this game is newbie friendly. How can something that has this extensive meta gaming be newbie friendly? BS. The ratings say it all. Horribad reviews.
Eve has an extensive meta game and is completely newbie friendly. I even made a guide. https://dpwf7uc3ns479.cloudfront.net/newbie-guide-final-2013.pdfAlso I've been doing nothing but making this game Newbie friendly for the roughly 300 neck beards under my care who've joined in the last two weeks. Hard to get much newer than that, we have to teach them which end of the rifle shoots try hard MAG burnouts.
Mind if I barrow? This is another example of meta gaming. |
Samahiel
Goonfeet
9
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:27:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mind if I barrow? This is another example of meta gaming.
We released it publicly for the good of the community so go right ahead. http://themittani.com/features/goonswarm-newbie-guide-released |
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
297
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:28:00 -
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I don't see any reason for people in FPS mode to give a rats arse whether there is meta gaming going on... it doesn't show up unless they go looking for it. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4345
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:30:00 -
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Thank you for your work and dedication. |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
69
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:33:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78868&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79008&find=unreadhttps://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79174&find=unread^ These fine examples above are what I am talking about. Playing the game beyond the rules established, playing the game more than the game intended. Fitting balance numbers are considered part of the game as they all wind up effecting numbers on the field when it comes to shooting each other. Getting people to back stab your supposed best friend, causing immeasurable damage well beyond DPS numbers an AR can put out in a million life times. Deleting your corp or booting the CEO out in a hostile take over and getting it pitted into a war it cannot win nor stop. Watching your little empire crumble because you trusted the wrong guy. Then getting your revenge.... This is meta-gaming. You are all playing it and those most unaware of it are pawns on the board. Kitten Meta gaming. If CCP wants to have meta gaming in a FPS they can say goodbye to Dust. FPS don't like meta gaming. They like shooting people in the face. Dust reviews across the board have been subpar.
No, this is what makes DUST different from your generic everyday COD or BF or whatever - because it's not JUST shooting. It's not FPS players who don't like the meta game, it's simple minded players that don't like to have to think. |
Samahiel
Goonfeet
9
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:36:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Thank you for your work and dedication.
Thank you for yours. Jenz, Hans, Kane, and yourself were really smart picks by CCP. A company not always know for smart picks.
Edit: Jesus this is the most I've ever posted on the forums in one night. I better stop before it becomes a habit. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4345
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:37:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:I don't see any reason for people in FPS mode to give a rats arse whether there is meta gaming going on... it doesn't show up unless they go looking for it.
Usually what happens is that it finds you instead though.
What if Mr. Smith hired you on the grounds that your squad is like the best ever, it has never lost in any contract it has been assigned. You agreed to what seems to be reasonable terms which came with collateral in case you fail Mr. Smith would be compensated a bit. The way would recover the collatoral and additional pay out at the success of the defense contract. Mr. Smith promised back up support from both Eve and Dust players.
You and your squad join the match and something seems off. Mr Smith boys charge each other to the center of the field but not to shoot each other. Instead they turn around and they all point their guns at your squad. Friendly eve online ships start appearing overhead and instead of targeting the enemies they are targeting your squad.
Your collateral held hostage for failure or abandonment and vastly outnumbered you may find yourself heavily screwed out of this deal if you don't turn it around but that is impossible without needing back up on your own and it seems that Mr. Smith is hell bent on breaking your pristine record.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1266
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:37:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:
Kitten Meta gaming. If CCP wants to have meta gaming in a FPS they can say goodbye to Dust. FPS don't like meta gaming. They like shooting people in the face. Dust reviews across the board have been subpar.
Man...I am inclined to agree with you. I can understand if players abuse mechanics in the game to do certain things but when the devs deliberately create mechanics for that sole purpose......then I have a problem with it. Especially, when the gameplay and other things needs more attention than thinking of ways to allow people to infiltrate and spy on each other.
So, +1 to you.....I'd rather read or participate in threads where two players or two corps are going at each other (feeling that one is better than the other) as opposed to reading about leaked meetings and teamkilling and other Richard Simmons sort of ****. I want to see rivalries brewing instead of all of this backwall non-aggression pacts. I mean, a few friends here and there is ok but when everyone is trying to get along then fights will be against the same corps and will get dull.
Corps should shy away from attacking another corp because they are afraid of retaliation rather than not attacking because of agreements. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4350
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:39:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Banned From Forums wrote:
Kitten Meta gaming. If CCP wants to have meta gaming in a FPS they can say goodbye to Dust. FPS don't like meta gaming. They like shooting people in the face. Dust reviews across the board have been subpar.
Man...I am inclined to agree with you. I can understand if players abuse mechanics in the game to do certain things but when the devs deliberately create mechanics for that sole purpose......then I have a problem with it. Especially, when the gameplay and other things needs more attention than thinking of ways to allow people to infiltrate and spy on each other. So, +1 to you.....I'd rather read or participate in threads where two players or two corps are going at each other (feeling that one is better than the other) as opposed to reading about leaked meetings and teamkilling and other Richard Simmons sort of ****. I want to see rivalries brewing instead of all of this backwall non-aggression pacts. I mean, a few friends here and there is ok but when everyone is trying to get along then fights will be against the same corps and will get dull. Corps should shy away from attacking another corp because they are afraid of retaliation rather than not attacking because of agreements.
CCP doesn't try to allow for mechanics that allow meta-gaming abuse. Majority of the meta gaming in Eve is usually at the fault of the players for allowing it to happen. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
297
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Usually what happens is that it finds you instead though.
What if Mr. Smith hired you on the grounds that your squad is like the best ever, it has never lost in any contract it has been assigned. You agreed to what seems to be reasonable terms which came with collateral in case you fail Mr. Smith would be compensated a bit. The way would recover the collatoral and additional pay out at the success of the defense contract. Mr. Smith promised back up support from both Eve and Dust players.
You and your squad join the match and something seems off. Mr Smith boys charge each other to the center of the field but not to shoot each other. Instead they turn around and they all point their guns at your squad. Friendly eve online ships start appearing overhead and instead of targeting the enemies they are targeting your squad.
Your collateral held hostage for failure or abandonment and vastly outnumbered you may find yourself heavily screwed out of this deal if you don't turn it around but that is impossible without needing back up on your own and it seems that Mr. Smith is hell bent on breaking your pristine record.
That's what the forums are for. It will let out the QQing and they can ask CCP to institute new rules... and then eventually get over their loss (or maybe decide to get even). |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
560
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:46:00 -
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Frankly, I don't understand what all the fuss is about. Yes, you managed to sneak into a PC battle. Yes, you threw it. That's to be expected, no? I mean, even in highsec, people grief harmless missioners (stealing the item needed to finish the mission), steal mining ore (and blow up the ship when they try to steal it back), and generally make an all-round nuisance of themselves, without abusing game mechanics. They're working within the mechanics, cleverly, but not abusing them.
Exactly the same thing here. This kind of stuff should be standard. If anyone is disgruntled, or there's even the slightest chance that he might be a spy/traitor, you keep an eye on them. And something like ten trained guns. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4350
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:46:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Usually what happens is that it finds you instead though.
What if Mr. Smith hired you on the grounds that your squad is like the best ever, it has never lost in any contract it has been assigned. You agreed to what seems to be reasonable terms which came with collateral in case you fail Mr. Smith would be compensated a bit. The way would recover the collatoral and additional pay out at the success of the defense contract. Mr. Smith promised back up support from both Eve and Dust players.
You and your squad join the match and something seems off. Mr Smith boys charge each other to the center of the field but not to shoot each other. Instead they turn around and they all point their guns at your squad. Friendly eve online ships start appearing overhead and instead of targeting the enemies they are targeting your squad.
Your collateral held hostage for failure or abandonment and vastly outnumbered you may find yourself heavily screwed out of this deal if you don't turn it around but that is impossible without needing back up on your own and it seems that Mr. Smith is hell bent on breaking your pristine record.
That's what the forums are for. It will let out the QQing and they can ask CCP to institute new rules... and then eventually get over their loss (or maybe decide to get even).
What if CCP told you it is part of the game?
Stealing the entire corp wallet and armory is something CCP is not going to reimburse players for
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