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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.19 00:58:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78868&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79008&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79174&find=unread
^ These fine examples above are what I am talking about.
Playing the game beyond the rules established, playing the game more than the game intended.
Fitting balance numbers are considered part of the game as they all wind up effecting numbers on the field when it comes to shooting each other.
Getting people to back stab your supposed best friend, causing immeasurable damage well beyond DPS numbers an AR can put out in a million life times. Deleting your corp or booting the CEO out in a hostile take over and getting it pitted into a war it cannot win nor stop.
Watching your little empire crumble because you trusted the wrong guy.
Then getting your revenge....
This is meta-gaming. You are all playing it and those most unaware of it are pawns on the board. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:24:00 -
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Samahiel wrote:Banned From Forums wrote:
I play Eve. Thank you very much!
CCP said this game is newbie friendly. How can something that has this extensive meta gaming be newbie friendly? BS. The ratings say it all. Horribad reviews.
Eve has an extensive meta game and is completely newbie friendly. I even made a guide. https://dpwf7uc3ns479.cloudfront.net/newbie-guide-final-2013.pdfAlso I've been doing nothing but making this game Newbie friendly for the roughly 300 neck beards under my care who've joined in the last two weeks. Hard to get much newer than that, we have to teach them which end of the rifle shoots try hard MAG burnouts.
Mind if I barrow? This is another example of meta gaming. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:30:00 -
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Thank you for your work and dedication. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:37:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:I don't see any reason for people in FPS mode to give a rats arse whether there is meta gaming going on... it doesn't show up unless they go looking for it.
Usually what happens is that it finds you instead though.
What if Mr. Smith hired you on the grounds that your squad is like the best ever, it has never lost in any contract it has been assigned. You agreed to what seems to be reasonable terms which came with collateral in case you fail Mr. Smith would be compensated a bit. The way would recover the collatoral and additional pay out at the success of the defense contract. Mr. Smith promised back up support from both Eve and Dust players.
You and your squad join the match and something seems off. Mr Smith boys charge each other to the center of the field but not to shoot each other. Instead they turn around and they all point their guns at your squad. Friendly eve online ships start appearing overhead and instead of targeting the enemies they are targeting your squad.
Your collateral held hostage for failure or abandonment and vastly outnumbered you may find yourself heavily screwed out of this deal if you don't turn it around but that is impossible without needing back up on your own and it seems that Mr. Smith is hell bent on breaking your pristine record.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:39:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Banned From Forums wrote:
Kitten Meta gaming. If CCP wants to have meta gaming in a FPS they can say goodbye to Dust. FPS don't like meta gaming. They like shooting people in the face. Dust reviews across the board have been subpar.
Man...I am inclined to agree with you. I can understand if players abuse mechanics in the game to do certain things but when the devs deliberately create mechanics for that sole purpose......then I have a problem with it. Especially, when the gameplay and other things needs more attention than thinking of ways to allow people to infiltrate and spy on each other. So, +1 to you.....I'd rather read or participate in threads where two players or two corps are going at each other (feeling that one is better than the other) as opposed to reading about leaked meetings and teamkilling and other Richard Simmons sort of ****. I want to see rivalries brewing instead of all of this backwall non-aggression pacts. I mean, a few friends here and there is ok but when everyone is trying to get along then fights will be against the same corps and will get dull. Corps should shy away from attacking another corp because they are afraid of retaliation rather than not attacking because of agreements.
CCP doesn't try to allow for mechanics that allow meta-gaming abuse. Majority of the meta gaming in Eve is usually at the fault of the players for allowing it to happen. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:46:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Usually what happens is that it finds you instead though.
What if Mr. Smith hired you on the grounds that your squad is like the best ever, it has never lost in any contract it has been assigned. You agreed to what seems to be reasonable terms which came with collateral in case you fail Mr. Smith would be compensated a bit. The way would recover the collatoral and additional pay out at the success of the defense contract. Mr. Smith promised back up support from both Eve and Dust players.
You and your squad join the match and something seems off. Mr Smith boys charge each other to the center of the field but not to shoot each other. Instead they turn around and they all point their guns at your squad. Friendly eve online ships start appearing overhead and instead of targeting the enemies they are targeting your squad.
Your collateral held hostage for failure or abandonment and vastly outnumbered you may find yourself heavily screwed out of this deal if you don't turn it around but that is impossible without needing back up on your own and it seems that Mr. Smith is hell bent on breaking your pristine record.
That's what the forums are for. It will let out the QQing and they can ask CCP to institute new rules... and then eventually get over their loss (or maybe decide to get even).
What if CCP told you it is part of the game?
Stealing the entire corp wallet and armory is something CCP is not going to reimburse players for
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:51:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I've seen them make posts that support this sort of behavior in Dust. Then follow it with, "Welcome to New Eden". Why would they implement friendly fire in corp matches? Why not add a kick button for PC to kick people who were uninvited to matches Hey, Ydubbs? You know those phrases thrown around on these forums? You know, "adapt or die" and "HTFU"? Well, they were never meant to be used for nerfs. No, they were originally created in response to meta-gaming. "Oh no, he stole my ore!" "HTFU".
"Oh no! Blueberry stole my tank and used it to team kill! HTFU?" |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.19 05:18:00 -
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sammus420 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
My issue is the overemphasis on the metagame and not the actual gameplay. It is much more entertaining to watch corps argue about who is better and have that rivalry build over a little time. And then when both corps are tired of talking and dodging, they finally battle it out.
That is more exciting than, "Hey guys, I joined your corp and teamkilled everyone".
I respectfully disagree. Two corps talk a lot of crap then fight it out. The loser walks away licking their wounds and thinking "Man we didn't win but we gave it our all." It's like 2 little kids fighting, they usually end up friends after the fight. With this tactic that is being employed, the loser suffers a more humiliating defeat, they never have a chance to say "We gave it out best." Instead they're left saying "Those dicks never even gave us a chance omg I wish we could murder them, those dirty rotten bastards." To most victors, this is a far more enjoyable outcome
Isn't this how Guiding Hand Social Club got started with the members of the group being hired by the other side squashed by the military might of the time? |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 05:20:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
CCP doesn't try to allow for mechanics that allow meta-gaming abuse. Majority of the meta gaming in Eve is usually at the fault of the players for allowing it to happen.
IWS you are absolutely useless as a CPM. All you do is say "I think this should be buffed: and "I think that should be nerfed" without actually participating in the game. The lines between reality and fiction for you have crossed IMHO. I picture as the person who thinks Eve is real. You are way too much involved in this dude. Try tetris for a change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhwGEa7507g |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.19 05:27:00 -
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Grezkev wrote:lol this thread makes today's spy episode seem like some super long-termed event. A friend backstabbed by the one he could trust ;O! lol...someone accepted someone this morning without approval and it happened because CEOs can't control who has access to matches (which...I remind you...even BF3 has). But **** there's no drama there!
lolbullshit
I have a book recommendation for you, it's by a man named Frankfurt called On Bullshit
Pfft, PC battles are the least damaging thing they can do. Low investment low damage. You should be worried about the guy recommending fixes to prevent this in the corp and when you brought him into the fold. I mean wouldn't it be odd that he is never online when its time for PC battles? |
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.19 05:37:00 -
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Grezkev wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Grezkev wrote:lol this thread makes today's spy episode seem like some super long-termed event. A friend backstabbed by the one he could trust ;O! lol...someone accepted someone this morning without approval and it happened because CEOs can't control who has access to matches (which...I remind you...even BF3 has). But **** there's no drama there!
lolbullshit
I have a book recommendation for you, it's by a man named Frankfurt called On Bullshit Pfft, PC battles are the least damaging thing they can do. Low investment low damage. You should be worried about the guy recommending fixes to prevent this in the corp and when you brought him into the fold. I mean wouldn't it be odd that he is never online when its time for PC battles? lol who are you trying to fool IWS? The person bragged about it on the forums. EVE and dotlan sources show the membership's existence and departure within a 24 hr period! A decent attempt would have been to at least try what you're making it sound like. I get the point behind meta gaming....I'd be a hypocrite if I said otherwise, but seriously...there's a difference between a lack of control over your own corps activities and a free-range 90s-style game where there's no real leadership power. If BF3 can game-match a platoon for a Clan/Corp better than Dust, then I'm honestly not as impressed as I was with the leadership function/skillset.
Well there are tools to resolve the issue until ingame means are made available, I am surprised nobody is rushing mad to use them. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.19 05:44:00 -
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Cass Barr wrote:What tools are those?
Kick everyone out of the main PC corp leave only your trusted squad leaders, get one of your directors to make a isk transfer alt and setup an secondary 'Grunt' Corp.
Use the secondary corp to pull invites from. Keep roster of folks in second corp track their behavior and performance and trust levels. People in the PC squad leader corp will be the only ones able to pull folks from the grunt corp into planetary conquest since grunt corp will not be on the map at all.
Its pretty simple stupid, prevent random squads of strangers at least, unless you are really bad at recruiting you shouldn't get more than 3 turn coats and if you keep filtering them out that should all go away. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.19 06:00:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:This recent wave of "spies" isn't a high-level example of what the metagame can (and will) turn into.
It's a starting point for a sabotage Corp to get their name into the public eye as "the ones who did it first". And they didn't do a great job, so this fuss will die down soon enough, but they've shown people who didn't see it coming (poor fools) what to expect in future, and opened the doors for others to do it right.
I, for one, am looking forward to seeing where this goes.
Whole reason why I linked a few propaganda posters too. |
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