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Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:46:00 -
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Frankly, I don't understand what all the fuss is about. Yes, you managed to sneak into a PC battle. Yes, you threw it. That's to be expected, no? I mean, even in highsec, people grief harmless missioners (stealing the item needed to finish the mission), steal mining ore (and blow up the ship when they try to steal it back), and generally make an all-round nuisance of themselves, without abusing game mechanics. They're working within the mechanics, cleverly, but not abusing them.
Exactly the same thing here. This kind of stuff should be standard. If anyone is disgruntled, or there's even the slightest chance that he might be a spy/traitor, you keep an eye on them. And something like ten trained guns. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:50:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I've seen them make posts that support this sort of behavior in Dust. Then follow it with, "Welcome to New Eden". Why would they implement friendly fire in corp matches? Why not add a kick button for PC to kick people who were uninvited to matches
Hey, Ydubbs? You know those phrases thrown around on these forums? You know, "adapt or die" and "HTFU"? Well, they were never meant to be used for nerfs. No, they were originally created in response to meta-gaming. "Oh no, he stole my ore!" "HTFU".
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Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.19 02:18:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
"Oh no! Blueberry stole my tank and used it to team kill! HTFU?"
Indeed. I'm going to need to do that someday and say "Oops, thought you were a red".
Probably should have posted this on my alt... |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:31:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
Let's say that you infiltrate, spy, manage to build rank and kick everyone out of the corp and steal ISK. All that you've done is set them back a little. Some people may leave the corp but the people that helped build the corp, the core members will stay and/or rebuild. You can steal all of their ISK but they will just start over and get back to where they were. Meanwhile, you are getting some likes on the forums for outing them.
Scenario 2 could be that you infiltrate them and teamkill them or sabotage their battle. Worst case scenario is that they lose that battle or that district. But if they are better than their opponents, they will launch an attack and reclaim the district. You can always bounce back from an infiltration.
Ever heard of BoB? Band of brothers, btw, the alliance on EvE.
They held a huge swathe of nullsec. A disgruntled director sold out, dissolved the alliance, stole lots of isk.
The alliance name was stolen, as some salt in the wound, and the alliance restarted, as KenZoku. KenZoku were never really a major player, having never been able to recover from the massive loss of assets. It is hugely damaging if you can steal a couple of bil from a Dust corp, get rid of all members and cause the corp to lose all their districts. They would lose members to other corporations, and they would need to build up the 240m+ they would need to retake even a single district. It would set them back a week at the very least, in which time, other corporations would have rushed in and consolidated their hold on the lost planets.
In scenario 2, you can do that as many times as you would like. Have a few of your members create an alt each, send them into a corp you want to infiltrate, and have one sabotage the match by bringing in a squad. Then do it again. And again. After a while, they'll feel incredibly stupid for not vetting their members, for not realising that it will happen again and again unless they take measures to stop it. It's 80mil lost per match, for no loss on the opposing team. That's a lot more demoralising than being able to put up a fight, and losing 80mil per match for at least some clones on the opposing team. |
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