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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:37:00 -
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Banned From Forums wrote:
Kitten Meta gaming. If CCP wants to have meta gaming in a FPS they can say goodbye to Dust. FPS don't like meta gaming. They like shooting people in the face. Dust reviews across the board have been subpar.
Man...I am inclined to agree with you. I can understand if players abuse mechanics in the game to do certain things but when the devs deliberately create mechanics for that sole purpose......then I have a problem with it. Especially, when the gameplay and other things needs more attention than thinking of ways to allow people to infiltrate and spy on each other.
So, +1 to you.....I'd rather read or participate in threads where two players or two corps are going at each other (feeling that one is better than the other) as opposed to reading about leaked meetings and teamkilling and other Richard Simmons sort of ****. I want to see rivalries brewing instead of all of this backwall non-aggression pacts. I mean, a few friends here and there is ok but when everyone is trying to get along then fights will be against the same corps and will get dull.
Corps should shy away from attacking another corp because they are afraid of retaliation rather than not attacking because of agreements. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:47:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Banned From Forums wrote:
Kitten Meta gaming. If CCP wants to have meta gaming in a FPS they can say goodbye to Dust. FPS don't like meta gaming. They like shooting people in the face. Dust reviews across the board have been subpar.
Man...I am inclined to agree with you. I can understand if players abuse mechanics in the game to do certain things but when the devs deliberately create mechanics for that sole purpose......then I have a problem with it. Especially, when the gameplay and other things needs more attention than thinking of ways to allow people to infiltrate and spy on each other. So, +1 to you.....I'd rather read or participate in threads where two players or two corps are going at each other (feeling that one is better than the other) as opposed to reading about leaked meetings and teamkilling and other Richard Simmons sort of ****. I want to see rivalries brewing instead of all of this backwall non-aggression pacts. I mean, a few friends here and there is ok but when everyone is trying to get along then fights will be against the same corps and will get dull. Corps should shy away from attacking another corp because they are afraid of retaliation rather than not attacking because of agreements. CCP doesn't try to allow for mechanics that allow meta-gaming abuse. Majority of the meta gaming in Eve is usually at the fault of the players for allowing it to happen.
I've seen them make posts that support this sort of behavior in Dust. Then follow it with, "Welcome to New Eden". Why would they implement friendly fire in corp matches? Why not add a kick button for PC to kick people who were uninvited to matches |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.19 03:51:00 -
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MrBlobz wrote:Deluxe Edition wrote:The difference is in EvE it takes Months if not years to develop a spy and infiltrate a corp having to get past API searches and once your in the corp you have to socialize and convince the leadership to give you role to access corp isk and hangers. In dust all you have to do is get your application accepted and then you can sabotage every corp match without ever being detected by pulling the plug on their internet after queing and enemy force into battle.
That's some meta game..... in depth stuff. +1 My issue is not with the metegame, That is one of the things that first drew me to this game. My prblem is that it is too easy right now.
My issue is the overemphasis on the metagame and not the actual gameplay. It is much more entertaining to watch corps argue about who is better and have that rivalry build over a little time. And then when both corps are tired of talking and dodging, they finally battle it out.
That is more exciting than, "Hey guys, I joined your corp and teamkilled everyone". |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.19 06:12:00 -
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sammus420 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
My issue is the overemphasis on the metagame and not the actual gameplay. It is much more entertaining to watch corps argue about who is better and have that rivalry build over a little time. And then when both corps are tired of talking and dodging, they finally battle it out.
That is more exciting than, "Hey guys, I joined your corp and teamkilled everyone".
I respectfully disagree. Two corps talk a lot of crap then fight it out. The loser walks away licking their wounds and thinking "Man we didn't win but we gave it our all." It's like 2 little kids fighting, they usually end up friends after the fight. With this tactic that is being employed, the loser suffers a more humiliating defeat, they never have a chance to say "We gave it out best." Instead they're left saying "Those dicks never even gave us a chance omg I wish we could murder them, those dirty rotten bastards." To most victors, this is a far more enjoyable outcome
I'm talking about what is more entertaining....not which is more damaging. And quite frankly, doing it the old-fashioned way is more damaging.
Let's say that you infiltrate, spy, manage to build rank and kick everyone out of the corp and steal ISK. All that you've done is set them back a little. Some people may leave the corp but the people that helped build the corp, the core members will stay and/or rebuild. You can steal all of their ISK but they will just start over and get back to where they were. Meanwhile, you are getting some likes on the forums for outing them.
Scenario 2 could be that you infiltrate them and teamkill them or sabotage their battle. Worst case scenario is that they lose that battle or that district. But if they are better than their opponents, they will launch an attack and reclaim the district. You can always bounce back from an infiltration.
But you want to know what is more damaging than that? Corp A and Corp B talking smack to each other so then they decide to battle it out finally. Corp A beats B...B wants revenge so they battle again and Corp A smacks them again. And a third and 4th time. After awhile, Corp B is going to realize that they are just embarassing themselves because they can not defeat Corp A and they will just stop their campaign. Corp B is now demoralized. |
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