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Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:00:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=21999
And none of the EVE players believed me and called me crazy for predicting such low player counts?
And despite the discussion and concern it spurred from that point on over the SP / Equipment gap being a problem and CCP having an entire year to do something, they did nothing. Didn't even give them a proper tutorial, a bare basic requirement for a game like this.
Also, let's not forget the hundreds of threads that predicted this game would be a flop based on the broken mechanics / lag issues of over a year ago, E.G:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=111816 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=118713
-and the thousands of EVE players who assured us that everything would be alright because "it's a beta!"
Well, where's your "it's a beta" now?
Here's what EVE players actually said:
Quote:There's only a handful of people playing the game right now, and we're on 2 maps, instead of 1400-4000 that can be expected on release. There will be PLENTY of places for the carebears to gather once the game goes live. Skill progression will also be much slower once the full game is released. Once this game goes live, instead of a few hundred players, we can easily expect a few million, or at the absolute bare minimum, hundreds of thousands.
Also, the quality of this beta is almost excellent, and I have faith that it will basically be excellent come the 29th (here's hoping). This is a true beta, not a marketing one. You're here to test, not to be sold.
Quote:-Lol @ OP welcome to ur first real beta, after u experience how a game made. You can laugh at these console developers that give u a so called beta 2 weeks before realease. Lol-
This.
It makes me laugh when devs do that, assuming that every console owner is an moron. When it's so close to release what they've really given us is a demo. I wouldn't be surprised if these beta's were just early builds shown at the previous years E3 or something.
To be honest I'm not really enjoying Dust so far, but I'm very excited and I feel privilaged to be involved in a true beta.
Quote:Lol for the first time in my life im glad to be an old gamer. If you have any concerns about Dust please go play EVE or speak with Eve players. Better yet I will give You a homework assignment go research CCP and the CEO. So you can see for ur self why good at what they do. If you think the Eve community would allow CCP to provide an expansion to Eve thats garbage you have a lot to learn about the relationship between CCP and its fan base.
Quote:Lol idk what this guy is taking about "newbies won't have a chance of killing pub stars" that's not true since this is a team based game , I think your statement there makes me think you play cod a lot where one person who has skill can go around and kill everyone this isn't that type of game and if you can't handle it go back to cod or stay and learn teamwork , also I have assault type 1 or 2 , but I put in militia gear with the mailita mods and weapons and still could kill people with better gear wether it's from help from a partner or by myself, and dude your complaining about quality of this game? This is a very old build and another reason this is just closed beta homie , this game will be perfect at release
Quote:This game will take off. Some f2p games, and these are the bottom barrel pay to win f2p's, average well over 20k people. The best of the best f2p's are averaging way more than 20k, and this is years after they've been released. For anyone to post saying that this game will not take off, is purely a naive individual. There is a gigantic market for this game, and all the money deals are either for boosters, or cosmetic items. They aren't selling any sort of I-win items here, just cosmetics and boosters.
This game will easily average, just in my rudimentary estimation and opinion, 50k easy. It will more than likely be well over or under that number. A key thing to remember here, is that there are 10's of millions of people that use the PS3 and PSN alone, couple that together with FPS gamers, casuals and hardcore, altogether with the fact that you get the game for free and can play the entire thing for free, is mind blowing. You get all content free of charge, and that assumes expansions. Knowing how CCP does expansions for Eve, which is free content, I'd expect nothing less from them with this game. Now tell me, you seriously think with all of that put into the same equation equals hardly a following? You are out of your mind if you believe this will have a small following.
Ah yes. Blind faith in CCP has truly led this game to greatness....
Remember the neocom app that was promised a year ago and never happened? http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/20/dust-514-vita-app-details-revealed
Remember the PVE mode that was promised to come out in 2012 and the gladiator arenas that we were supposed to have now? Also includes talk about non-temperate planets, customizable matches, new game modes, all of which we were supposed to have in the "2013 expansion" : http://www.dualshockers.com/2012/03/24/dust-514-will-get-pve-horde-mode-at-launch-gladiator-arenas-in-2013/
"The game will include a PvE co-op GÇ£Survival modeGÇ¥ in 2012 (Laurino actually didnGÇÖt specify if the feature will be implemented at launch or not. He just... |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:02:00 -
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It's still a beta product even if they released it.
It needs a lot of work before they should put it in open beta. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:02:00 -
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Oh please, regale us with tales of your foresight and wisdom... we can't get enough! |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:05:00 -
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Quick news flash, it's still 2013. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:07:00 -
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Yea its release but tbh its barely out of beta
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:08:00 -
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You're going by the word of eve players. You alright bro? |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:10:00 -
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So... You predicted something that was actually fairly obvious?
It was also kind of obvious that this game wasn't going to attract a lot of the CoD/BF crowd, as they're so busy playing those games itself, and the fact that no advertising was actually DONE for this game all kind of points to low player count. Despite all this, 8.5k on opening weekend is not bad at all. Almost a 5k jump from peak times before Uprising. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:10:00 -
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The "I told you so!" is strong with this one. |
Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:10:00 -
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The release was a bust because marketing trumped development.
Releasing on 5/14 *harharhar see what we did there* won out over making sure the game was at a stage where it wouldn't get mocked for basic game play and performance issues.
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Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:11:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Quick news flash, it's still 2013.
Yep. So how are you enjoying the PvE co-op mode that was promised to come out 6 months ago? |
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:12:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Oh please, regale us with tales of your foresight and wisdom... we can't get enough! Sure loves to hear himself talk. |
Jin Robot
Polar Gooks
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:12:00 -
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Pretty sure nobody cares about these posts anymore. |
inohahna mamotto
The Sangheli
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:13:00 -
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Over 8000 players yeah its a bust |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:13:00 -
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Oh oh... the QQers had been quiet for a while but somebody found the tap... get ready for it. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:18:00 -
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Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:gbghg wrote:Quick news flash, it's still 2013. Yep. So how are you enjoying the PvE co-op mode that was promised to come out 6 months ago? Tell me, was it said that it would come out this build? If I remember CCP's expansion plan right we should still have another 1 or 2 major expansions this year. |
Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:30:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Moejoe Omnipotent wrote:gbghg wrote:Quick news flash, it's still 2013. Yep. So how are you enjoying the PvE co-op mode that was promised to come out 6 months ago? Tell me, was it said that it would come out this build? If I remember CCP's expansion plan right we should still have another 1 or 2 major expansions this year.
Quote:First of all, the game will include a PvE co-op GÇ£Survival modeGÇ¥ in 2012 (Laurino actually didnGÇÖt specify if the feature will be implemented at launch or not. He just said GÇ£in 2012GǦ). It will be basically Dust 514GǦs Horde Mode and will prompt players to defend outposts from the Rogue Drones that are already established as some of the most prominent PvE enemies in EVE Online. You can see them in a concept design above.
Dust 514 will also support competitive gaming and e-sports with an expansion in 2013.
PVE was promised last year.
CCP has stated they would release new builds every 3 - 6 months (which in reality means closer to 6 months knowing how they like to skew the truth) so there's really only one build left this year to get in new content. We haven't even had any hint of PvE yet, which is scheduled to come out before gladiator mode. If these weren't just empty promises and they actually get there act together, In the very best case scenario they will be a full year behind schedule. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:37:00 -
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outside of the mega hits 9k is pretty large number for multiplayer. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:39:00 -
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LOL @ skew the truth.
Have you had any experience with the software industry at all?
If you stuck with facts instead of characterizing CCP it might, and I mean might, be possible to actually take what you are saying seriously enough to think about what you say before rejecting your viewpoint. |
NOT slap26
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.18 19:51:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:outside of the mega hits 9k is pretty large number for multiplayer.
30k is a good number 9k is a good number for non prime time |
Moejoe Omnipotent
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.18 20:10:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:outside of the mega hits 9k is pretty large number for multiplayer.
It's the first Saturday after release. Curious PSN users with free-time today are trying the game out for the first time. Today is where the numbers peak. Also 9k possibly makes this one of the worst ever opening weekends for a "AAA" title. |
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BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.18 20:19:00 -
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well since the mlitia gear players were kicking the crap outta the protoads, the protoads requested the mlitia users get a range nerf... and they got it.
what do you expect from folks who need it.
balance? if you had balance then you'd see that the protogear users aren't all they are cracked up to be.
can't have that.
Peace B |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
540
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Posted - 2013.05.18 20:32:00 -
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Counterstrike, one of the most popular shooters *ever*, currently has a combined peak total (across all three games) of roughly 90k on Steam.
Tell me again how 8.5k is bad.
Edit: Sorry, 110k. Point still stands. |
K9 Wez
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.18 20:58:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:outside of the mega hits 9k is pretty large number for multiplayer.
Hahahahahahaha, what!? 9k pretty large on opening week for a free to play game? Please.
That being said, i hope this game finds success, hopefully not in 10 years though, def wont be playing this then. |
Green Living
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.05.18 21:02:00 -
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Clearly no one in this thread cares about your amateur opinion. |
Aegis Scientiafide
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
30
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Posted - 2013.05.18 21:03:00 -
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It never ceases to amaze me how you always find apologists on game forums, no matter the situation. I mean, do any of you have something at stake here if you're wrong? Yes, I know you all hate the imps, and I'm sure the idea of having one stating, "I told you so" is grinding your gears. but what's so wrong about admitting CCP's way behind schedule and has released an unfinished product? |
Boxoffire
Lost-Legion Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.18 21:05:00 -
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Congratulations, what do you want? A medal?
I hope you know Dust 514 being "released" is just a title. It's not actually in its full, all things planned are done, form. There is A LOT more they need and will add which will attract a kitten load of players.
As for the PvE thing, you should really know better not to take CCP on their word when it comes to dates. They would rather reliever on something that works than something that is litteraly unplayable and I stress literally. Uncomfortable or not up to your standards doesn't count as unplayable. |
K9 Wez
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.18 21:09:00 -
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Aegis Scientiafide wrote:It never ceases to amaze me how you always find apologists on game forums, no matter the situation. I mean, do any of you have something at stake here if you're wrong? Yes, I know you all hate the imps, and I'm sure the idea of having one stating, "I told you so" is grinding your gears. but what's so wrong about admitting CCP's way behind schedule and has released an unfinished product?
You dont seem to realise how devoted ccp fans can be, if ccp were to sell toilet paper bpo for 50k aurum, it would hit top sellers in no time. |
Dust HaHakoke
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.05.18 21:10:00 -
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eve online players encounter this exact same problem but it workds wonders for the game ccp is trying to do this with dust |
LongLostLust
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.18 21:10:00 -
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The Imps may act Elitest for the most part, but when they are right they are right. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.05.18 21:16:00 -
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I get a kick out of the EVE hate... as players with EVE experience generally feel they have an understanding of CCP and what is going to happen -- driving those without EVE experience into fits of rage as they (EVE players) argue against the CoD crew and then get called fanboys in the process.
Blah blah blah.
Hey, here's an idea, maybe the EVE folks have a bit of experience with how CCP works and the non-EVE FPS folks have a bit of experience with first person shooters.
Nah, that's crazy talk. |
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