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xp3ll3d dust wrote:

I played 4 PC matches, had issues with almost all of them.

1st match
District: Kadlina IV - District 6
Time of battle: 2013.05.16 14:40:00
Everyone queued up, we got into the warbarge. At 3 mins left on the timer until the match startd, we all got booted out into the merc quarters. There was no mails about anything, our clones went up so we assume we won.

2nd & 3rd matches
District: Aeditide V - District 3
Time of battle: 2013.05.16 15:10:00

District: Aeditide V - District 7
Time of battle: 2013.05.16 19:50:00

Both suffered from the extreme low FPS. They were all 5 point maps.
For the 15:10 battle, as we were majority Australian players, we were given a server with FULL connection strength, so I don't think it was network lag. For the 19:50 match, we were a mishmash of players. For me the server's network was only 2 bars, and for others it was 1-3.
They both had the same installation in game. The place where the low FPS caused the most pain was in a HAV, driving around the installation where C/CRU/Supply depot are. (Best picture of what the installation is where CRU is in E7 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=48088&find=unread ).
The low FPS was so bad that trying to turn my HAV turret 180, would result in me seeing it turn in roughly 30 degree amounts.
I lost a bunch of HAVs in the same place, where I'd see I've got 3/4 armour (in armour tanked HAV), then next frame I am destroyed with no idea of what happened.

4th match
District: Aeditide V - District 2
Time of battle: 2013.05.16 20:40:00

The other side were no shows. The installation was the same. But this time the fighting wasn't concentrated indoors at the same E7 spot (as the other team were no shows). There didn't seem to be any FPS issues.

My corp members in the matches reported the same symptoms, but some were swearing it was network lag, not FPS. Others were saying it was low FPS & network latency.

Corp members ran another match while I slept, I was told there were low FPS issues here also
District: Aeditide V - District 6
Time of battle: 2013.05.17 00:50:00

I hope this was enough detailed information for you.

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Davy Headhunter ZionTCD Unclaimed. 3	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:14:00 - [31] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Definitely Framerate lag. I was probably around 1-2 fps literally. The moment I was in the main battle area I was unable to move at all. I took a video of it with my phone right before I dropped the battle... I'll try to post the youtube link here if the forum will let me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZegcxtjWy8M&feature=youtu.be This is unacceptable, I am really disappointed. I was having the exact same gameplay "experience"
ALM1GHTY B44L R00 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 83	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:14:00 - [32] - Quote PT SD wrote: Kristoff Atruin wrote: Ennur VI, District 5 at 21:20 on May 16th I didn't notice much latency, but extremely heavy framerate issues. When I tried to turn my view would jump around and the enemies we were facing would blink across the ground. It was like swimming in mud. There was a small amount of this framerate lag for me at the beginning when we spawned in, reaching its peak when we got to the facility. From what I've seen and read our opponents didn't have any lag at all. Everyone on my team had this problem, including the people who jumped in to replace those whose clients crashed entirely. Most of our players were North American. +1, I had 2-3 FPS running around inside the facility, and maybe 5-6 fames around Delta and Charlie. We also had two people drop from the match due to skating across the map. We were the defenders in this battle. I was flying an Eryx in this match, and later driving a Saga. In the Eryx, ground troops and tanks were not rendering. I could pick out their locations based on the tracers from their weapons, but could not see the models themselves. When driving the Saga, enemies would render, but with what I would describe as a moderate amount of "rubber banding." I experienced decent FPS performance through the majority of the match, with only a moderate amount of frame rate problems. My frame rate only dipped when more than 3 or 4 enemies came into view at once.
Dezus 1000 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 22	Posted - 2013.05.17 07:30:00 - [33] - Quote Aetitide Planet 6 - District 5 0600 We had 3 people disconnect during the battle, and some guys lagging so hard they were standing in place.
Soozu 5o1st 108	Posted - 2013.05.17 07:36:00 - [34] - Quote One frame I'm in a field, the next thing I get to see is that I'm in a corner facing a wall , then I start losing health and my controller starts vibrating. Rinse and repeat. 2 very bad matches. 1 horrific 1 ok 1 starting to get iffy but few players in the match.
Celus Ivara DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2013.05.17 08:48:00 - [35] - Quote Throwing my drop into the bucket of FPS issues. CCP Nullarbor wrote: LAG There are a few threads about performance of the PC battles. We need to determine whether this is latency or frame rate as these are 2 very different problems. A low frame rate is going to mean your character feels like it moves slowly or the client locks up or stall and most importantly it effects how slow it is to look around. High latency is a network related problem and can cause rubber banding of your own character and others or hit detection issues but does not effect the camera being able to freely look around. If you have any detailed comments on this please let us know and we will look into it. Given the symptoms you list, it sounds like my experience was 'frame rate' as opposed to 'latency'. For debug: Completely fine for most of the first match, then 2/3rds of the way through suddenly got SUPER bad FPS. Second and third match, FPS issues were pretty present though out, moving continuously between "kinda rough" to "unplayable". All took place on "Hedaleolfarber III ". Also, got the "No End of Match Screen" situation on all three games I played; don't know if it's related. --- On a gameplay note, I'd like to second the idea of removing the MCC (or is it warbarge?) based orbitals during PC; or at least significantly changing the cost or properties of them. Anything we can do to strengthen the value of the EVE / Dust link is a good thing.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 357	Posted - 2013.05.17 09:37:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: LAG Some threads have identified that a mostly EU corp versus a US corp can produce high latency for one side depending on where the server is located. The location of the server for the PC battle is chosen based on the best available region for players connected but only if they connect within the first 2 minutes of the battle becoming available on the battle finder. While it still says "Waiting For Deployment" we are giving everyone the chance to get signed up before determining which server, so you should take advantage of that. We have some ideas on how to make that experience smoother and more obvious for a later release. . CCP Nullarbor, Sorry to question what seems to be definative answer, but are you absolutely sure the battle server is decided while being in the warbarge? I always thought that warbarge is already on the battle server - reasons indicating this are: * huge load during change from MQ to Warbarge * the same caliber load is from victory screen to MQ (which definately is battle server to Tranquility load) * small load from Warbarge to battle's spawn map itself - does not seem big transition * Chat screens (select menu) going unavailable during MQ-Warbarge loads, which would possibly indicate server change
Jerall Holst Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 37	Posted - 2013.05.17 10:14:00 - [37] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Definitely Framerate lag. I was probably around 1-2 fps literally. The moment I was in the main battle area I was unable to move at all. I took a video of it with my phone right before I dropped the battle... I'll try to post the youtube link here if the forum will let me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZegcxtjWy8M&feature=youtu.be Our entire team suffered from this last night at 21:20. Same facility, too - might be something to do with that specific building?

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 1247	Posted - 2013.05.17 10:52:00 - [38] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Definitely Framerate lag. I was probably around 1-2 fps literally. The moment I was in the main battle area I was unable to move at all. I took a video of it with my phone right before I dropped the battle... I'll try to post the youtube link here if the forum will let me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZegcxtjWy8M&feature=youtu.be This is unacceptable, I am really disappointed. Which district was this battle on? The video is really helpful and we want to follow up what happened here, thanks for posting.

Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire 58	Posted - 2013.05.17 11:12:00 - [39] - Quote I have played in one PC battle so far. I believe I was experiencing Framerate and Latency issues . When I would try to look around it was almost like looking at a filmstrip or PowerPoint Slide show. Walking/sprinting produced rubberbanding. When I used my weapons the bullets would not fire until about 1.5 seconds after I let off the trigger. When I threw grenades it took 2 to 3 seconds for it to show in the game. EDIT: Sorry I do not know the district the battle was fought over.
The Loathing The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 66	Posted - 2013.05.17 11:25:00 - [40] - Quote xp3ll3d dust wrote: I played 4 PC matches, had issues with almost all of them. 1st match District: Kadlina IV - District 6 Time of battle: 2013.05.16 14:40:00 Everyone queued up, we got into the warbarge. At 3 mins left on the timer until the match startd, we all got booted out into the merc quarters. There was no mails about anything, our clones went up so we assume we won. 2nd & 3rd matches District: Aeditide V - District 3 Time of battle: 2013.05.16 15:10:00 District: Aeditide V - District 7 Time of battle: 2013.05.16 19:50:00 Both suffered from the extreme low FPS. They were all 5 point maps. For the 15:10 battle, as we were majority Australian players, we were given a server with FULL connection strength, so I don't think it was network lag. For the 19:50 match, we were a mishmash of players. For me the server's network was only 2 bars, and for others it was 1-3. They both had the same installation in game. The place where the low FPS caused the most pain was in a HAV, driving around the installation where C/CRU/Supply depot are. (Best picture of what the installation is where CRU is in E7 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=48088&find=unread ). The low FPS was so bad that trying to turn my HAV turret 180, would result in me seeing it turn in roughly 30 degree amounts. I lost a bunch of HAVs in the same place, where I'd see I've got 3/4 armour (in armour tanked HAV), then next frame I am destroyed with no idea of what happened. 4th match District: Aeditide V - District 2 Time of battle: 2013.05.16 20:40:00 The other side were no shows. The installation was the same. But this time the fighting wasn't concentrated indoors at the same E7 spot (as the other team were no shows). There didn't seem to be any FPS issues. My corp members in the matches reported the same symptoms, but some were swearing it was network lag, not FPS. Others were saying it was low FPS & network latency. Corp members ran another match while I slept, I was told there were low FPS issues here also District: Aeditide V - District 6 Time of battle: 2013.05.17 00:50:00 I hope this was enough detailed information for you. Just in reference to xp3ll3d's excellent post, I was present for the first and second battle mentioned. Symptoms noticed from my end were "rubber banding", especially close by structures; frame freeze which would culminate into facing a different direction or ending up 10 metres ahead within the next unfrozen frame; Mass Driver rounds not exploding or disappearing; and sometimes not spawning in or spawn freeze even after spawn countdown has begun. Horrible stuff to deal with in a PC game.

Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries 339	Posted - 2013.05.17 11:43:00 - [41] - Quote The low framerate problem that occurs if you play for too long without relogging still exists, so I suggest relogging before any PC matches...hopefully that may help some people.
Talruum Tezztarozza Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 124	Posted - 2013.05.17 11:54:00 - [42] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Definitely Framerate lag. I was probably around 1-2 fps literally. The moment I was in the main battle area I was unable to move at all. I took a video of it with my phone right before I dropped the battle... I'll try to post the youtube link here if the forum will let me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZegcxtjWy8M&feature=youtu.be This is unacceptable, I am really disappointed. Agree, definitely FPS lag. I got this as well in one of my PC match. I even got worse than that like one frame every 2 or even 5 second. My guess is that it is memory leak as restart PS3 before going in every PC match seem to prevent the issue somehow.
Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 523	Posted - 2013.05.17 12:08:00 - [43] - Quote We didn't experience lag or framerate drops - other than what happens in all games. We are EU-based, played against US. Don't know about the other (US) side.
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 563	Posted - 2013.05.17 12:42:00 - [44] - Quote A restart doesn't reliably fix it. For my battle my PS3 was turned off completely, and I only started it up to get into the fight. My experience was exactly like ZDub's.
Grimmiers ZionTCD Unclaimed. 163	Posted - 2013.05.17 12:43:00 - [45] - Quote My question is: Is there any way to further optimize the game without a major update? Also does anyone understand what is causing the memory leak if you don't reset the game? I've only suffered from unplayable fps for one pc battle, not that the other matches ran much smoother in some cases. Skim Junction while being a fun map to play on is usually the culprit. I think there should be a test in which multiple battles are played offline on very intense maps and the same is done for online battles with a less than average connection to see if the same framerate drops occur.
matsumoto yuichi san SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 3	Posted - 2013.05.17 13:23:00 - [46] - Quote so last night i logged in ~40m before PC battle, played one match then the PC battle @nullarbor there were definately framerate issues, i wasn't like the earlier video at all, but several combat scenarios particularily when close to one or several enemies saw large framerate drops i'd say it ended around 12 fps or so there may have been minor latency issues but this was entirely overshadowed by the earlier problem in most instances, it was playable, just, when the enemies were at a distance, but if they got close it was rather hard to cqc.
Stan Kattel Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 2	Posted - 2013.05.17 13:39:00 - [47] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Which district was this battle on? ...we want to follow up what happened here, thanks for posting. All my teammates and I has a TERRIBLE lags when we fought on this districts: Audesder VII, District 8 - 05.16.13 ~15:30 Audesder VII, District 6 - 05.17.13 ~01:00 It was really close to what was on the ZDub's video. I don't know what latency bars shows, but we joined the battle(ie have come to wait the start of the battle in the barge) as soon as the countdown changed to "Now."
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 7	Posted - 2013.05.17 14:02:00 - [48] - Quote my corp attacked twice yesterday in the first match we get to the warbarge and immediately lose 4 people from 2 different squads i get stuck in the load screen so i have to do a reset. by the time i reset and get in the match has started. in the second match we get the same exact problems. now when we are fighting in the match there is so much lag it is ridicuolous. also we lost the match and werent able to attack again and we still had over 85 clones if any other corps recieved the same problems attacking or defending plz post so ccp can get on top of this
ZDub 303 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 160	Posted - 2013.05.17 14:20:00 - [49] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Definitely Framerate lag. I was probably around 1-2 fps literally. The moment I was in the main battle area I was unable to move at all. I took a video of it with my phone right before I dropped the battle... I'll try to post the youtube link here if the forum will let me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZegcxtjWy8M&feature=youtu.be This is unacceptable, I am really disappointed. Which district was this battle on? The video is really helpful and we want to follow up what happened here, thanks for posting. I wasn't paying attention to the exact district last night unfortunately, it was the planet with 24 districts on it though, if that helps. It doesn't seem like the district matters though, from what I'm seeing... Pretty much every PC battle is having this issue. I will say, a lot of corp mates are finding that restarting helps, and I was the only person experiencing unplayable FPS last night, while corp mates described it as 'bad but playable'.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 442	Posted - 2013.05.17 14:30:00 - [50] - Quote Horrendous frame rate in all of SyNergy's matches yesterday. I wouldn't even say it was 5 FPS at times. A lesser man would have walked away and never looked back.

Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 466	Posted - 2013.05.17 14:40:00 - [51] - Quote How about a Battle Log or something where we can see past boards for these battles? I'm sure that data is around somewhere.
trigonomics Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 56	Posted - 2013.05.17 19:09:00 - [52] - Quote I don't know if this helps but I was experiencing the same issues during Faction Warfare Matches. We were syncing whole squads in Amarr vs Minmatar matches around 1:00 - 4:00.
trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 418	Posted - 2013.05.17 21:12:00 - [53] - Quote It seems much of the high distance fights are decided during the first 2 seconds of when the match opens up in battle finder. The side who gets the correct server wins pretty steadily. A better way to do it, IMHO, would be defender advantage. If everyone knew who would get the server beforehand, it could be taken in consideration during planning.
IR Scifi Silver Talon Corporation 27	Posted - 2013.05.17 21:21:00 - [54] - Quote The weird thing is it doesn't seem to affect everyone at the same time. In our match yesterday about 3/4 of my team started getting this, while I was running just fine. The pub match immediately AFTER though I then developed this problem. It doesn't happen just in PC matches but it seems to be the trigger for sure.
Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers EoN. 196	Posted - 2013.05.17 22:08:00 - [55] - Quote http://youtu.be/JEKEtXBl1PU What game play has looked like in a few PC battles.
ALM1GHTY B44L R00 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 84	Posted - 2013.05.17 23:35:00 - [56] - Quote Is anyone experiencing these problems on PC maps other than Skim Junction?
Jerall Holst Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 40	Posted - 2013.05.18 02:37:00 - [57] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Definitely Framerate lag. I was probably around 1-2 fps literally. The moment I was in the main battle area I was unable to move at all. I took a video of it with my phone right before I dropped the battle... I'll try to post the youtube link here if the forum will let me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZegcxtjWy8M&feature=youtu.be This is unacceptable, I am really disappointed. Which district was this battle on? The video is really helpful and we want to follow up what happened here, thanks for posting. We've now had our entire team suffer that exact effect on Ennur VI - District 5 (cargo hub SI) two nights in a row, both times while on the defensive. There's no indication that the other team suffered the same problem. Needless to say, we're less than pleased that we're unable to adequately defend the district due to a purely technical issue rather than our own performance as players. (That's not to diminish Ahrendee's skill - but the handicap certainly isn't helping!)
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 309	Posted - 2013.05.18 03:35:00 - [58] - Quote Icy Xenosmilus wrote: Disconnected in match halfway through both times. Time for second one which I remember is 9:00. UA vs .137 you couldn't pay me to go back in that war those guys suck.
Zatara Rought Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 153	Posted - 2013.05.18 05:40:00 - [59] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Definitely Framerate lag. I was probably around 1-2 fps literally. The moment I was in the main battle area I was unable to move at all. I took a video of it with my phone right before I dropped the battle... I'll try to post the youtube link here if the forum will let me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZegcxtjWy8M&feature=youtu.be This is unacceptable, I am really disappointed. Which district was this battle on? The video is really helpful and we want to follow up what happened here, thanks for posting. I played in the same match ZDub 303 is describing. I can't name the district however I do know it was @ 1800 and the Teams were Seraphim vs Teamplayers (map was skim junction) I reset directly before and only experienced minor framerate lag with fair hit detection, no latency noticeable. However when I played against Hellstorm an hour later I reset 5 minutes before squads were deployed into warbarge. The match began with decent framerate, which very quickly deteriorated after more than 5 people were in the vicinity. It began to feel like I was playing in slow motion. The input delay (time between me pressing the button on my controller and seeing the respective action display on my screen was so-so, about 1/2-to 3/4 of a second lag at times. In addition hit detection was so-so for me during that match. Anyone got footage?
Stan Kattel Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 4	Posted - 2013.05.18 10:41:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Nullarbor, last day we fight again on Audesder VII, District 8 near 15:30, and this game was streamed in one of russian gaming sites, so we have a footage(fps in that battle was playable for one of us, and like slideshow for others). If you need this footage, can i send it somehow directly to you, to avoid advertising footage here?



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