DUST Search - Planetary Conquest Battles: Day 1

xp3ll3d dust wrote:

I played 4 PC matches, had issues with almost all of them.

1st match
District: Kadlina IV - District 6
Time of battle: 2013.05.16 14:40:00
Everyone queued up, we got into the warbarge. At 3 mins left on the timer until the match startd, we all got booted out into the merc quarters. There was no mails about anything, our clones went up so we assume we won.

2nd & 3rd matches
District: Aeditide V - District 3
Time of battle: 2013.05.16 15:10:00

District: Aeditide V - District 7
Time of battle: 2013.05.16 19:50:00

Both suffered from the extreme low FPS. They were all 5 point maps.
For the 15:10 battle, as we were majority Australian players, we were given a server with FULL connection strength, so I don't think it was network lag. For the 19:50 match, we were a mishmash of players. For me the server's network was only 2 bars, and for others it was 1-3.
They both had the same installation in game. The place where the low FPS caused the most pain was in a HAV, driving around the installation where C/CRU/Supply depot are. (Best picture of what the installation is where CRU is in E7 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=48088&find=unread ).
The low FPS was so bad that trying to turn my HAV turret 180, would result in me seeing it turn in roughly 30 degree amounts.
I lost a bunch of HAVs in the same place, where I'd see I've got 3/4 armour (in armour tanked HAV), then next frame I am destroyed with no idea of what happened.

4th match
District: Aeditide V - District 2
Time of battle: 2013.05.16 20:40:00

The other side were no shows. The installation was the same. But this time the fighting wasn't concentrated indoors at the same E7 spot (as the other team were no shows). There didn't seem to be any FPS issues.

My corp members in the matches reported the same symptoms, but some were swearing it was network lag, not FPS. Others were saying it was low FPS & network latency.

Corp members ran another match while I slept, I was told there were low FPS issues here also
District: Aeditide V - District 6
Time of battle: 2013.05.17 00:50:00

I hope this was enough detailed information for you.

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CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 1168	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:07:00 - [1] - Quote So PC battles started today and the guys at CCP spent the day madly refreshing various pages to see how everything is going and spotting any problems. I want to highlight a few things after observing the action and forum threads today. No End of Match Screen There appears to be an issue displaying the UI at the end of match. All the battles that we checked however had all their rewards and salvage paid out correctly, and district clone counts updated. If you think you found a specific case of it not working correctly then let me know the exact district and time and we can look into it. We should hopefully get a fix out for the UI not displaying really soon. Sorry about that. LAG There are a few threads about performance of the PC battles. We need to determine whether this is latency or frame rate as these are 2 very different problems. A low frame rate is going to mean your character feels like it moves slowly or the client locks up or stall and most importantly it effects how slow it is to look around. High latency is a network related problem and can cause rubber banding of your own character and others or hit detection issues but does not effect the camera being able to freely look around. If you have any detailed comments on this please let us know and we will look into it. Some threads have identified that a mostly EU corp versus a US corp can produce high latency for one side depending on where the server is located. The location of the server for the PC battle is chosen based on the best available region for players connected but only if they connect within the first 2 minutes of the battle becoming available on the battle finder. While it still says "Waiting For Deployment" we are giving everyone the chance to get signed up before determining which server, so you should take advantage of that. We have some ideas on how to make that experience smoother and more obvious for a later release. Re-Attacking If you attack a district and win the target district should be down 150 clones and you should have a bit of cash in the player and corp wallets. To finish your conquest of the district you obviously need to attack them again but you need to do this quickly for 1 very important reason. Once a PC battle starts, that starts a 1 hour exclusivity period where only the side currently attacking the district may issue another attack. You can either do this during the current battle or afterwards provided it is no more than 1 hour after the start of your PC battle. It will also mean the next battle will be scheduled the following day, meaning the defending side has no clone reinforcements before the next battle. If you wait until after the hour you not only risk another corporation swooping in and attacking instead, but you also give the defender an additional 24 hours for their district to generate a new batch of clones, making your war of attrition more difficult. We realize this was not entirely clear and CCP ~~Fox~~SocksFour is working on some changes for the wiki page to document this properly. Other than that, congrats to all the winners on the first day and thanks for your patience. This is a super exciting time for Dust and we are really happy to sharing this whole experience with you guys, the pioneers of planetary warfare. o7 good hunting.

Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 314	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:08:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: blah blah blah CCP ~~Fox~~SocksFour is working on some changes for the wiki page to document this properly. blah blah blah But will the name change go through?
Vethosis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 39	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:09:00 - [3] - Quote I can't even login, it just keeps saying updating.
Dystructive Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:12:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: So PC battles started today... Oh, you tease.
LeCuch Red Star. EoN. 121	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:12:00 - [5] - Quote +1 for CCP SoxFour
Onesimus Tarsus Planetary Response Organization 33	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:17:00 - [6] - Quote Vethosis wrote: I can't even login, it just keeps saying updating. I really wouldn't expect a reply to that. The emperor is talking about his new clothes.
Vethosis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 39	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:18:00 - [7] - Quote LOL

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 1172	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:18:00 - [8] - Quote Vethosis wrote: I can't even login, it just keeps saying updating. We have a team of people looking into the updating issue as well. Stay tuned for details on that.

Vethosis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 39	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:21:00 - [9] - Quote I hope there are no bonuses giving to people who played today, as I couldn't at all because of this updating bug.
crazy space 1 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1171	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:25:00 - [10] - Quote If your corperation wins why isn't the next attack issued automatically? Wouldn't it be smarter to make an option to not continue the attack, instead of making the option to continue? Once you are attacking, unless you lose or choose to stop, each following attack should be automatically created. I can't even think of why people wouldn't want to continue the attack but it should always be an option obviously.

Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 312	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:27:00 - [11] - Quote In my 4 battles, the biggest issue has been framerate. In my last battle, everything was fine for a few minutes, but then things got bad. It took about as long as it took to get the enemy mcc shields down controlling all 5 objectives. It was the map where B is in the uturn culdusac. In a battle vs SI, both were the issue. Framerate was more problematic, but when we did manage to get hits in, often it was blue shield. I also noticed that participation in Pc often leads to bugs afterwards. Usually it takes 4-6 hours of playing before framterate drops or something else goes wrong. PC battles seem to take the place of that 4 hours. The only fight I was in that had the end of match UI thing, was one I entered at the last minute. It was Ill Omens vs The Sound of Freedom.
Den-tredje Baron The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 48	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:28:00 - [12] - Quote What i would really like to see is that the eve side gets more dominant than it is right now. I thought the warbage strikes where turned off and all orbitals now had to be delivered by an actual eve player. Are there any updates coming to reinforce the bond between eve and dust making it much more viable to have eve guys above than it is in the instance right now where eve players are basically not needed ?? Or did i miss something regarding warbarge orbitals compared to eve player orbitals as costing equal amount of WP ?
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1482	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:28:00 - [13] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: blah blah blah CCP ~~Fox~~SocksFour is working on some changes for the wiki page to document this properly. blah blah blah But will the name change go through? They hid the thread in the Locker Room. The dev interest and GM talk of actually making something of it was a tease.
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 487	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:30:00 - [14] - Quote posts like this are great. It lets us know you are listening and lets us point anything out you may have missed. Thanks!
xp3ll3d dust The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 57	Posted - 2013.05.17 01:46:00 - [15] - Quote I played 4 PC matches, had issues with almost all of them. 1st one District: Kadlina IV - District 6 Time of battle: 2013.05.16 14:40:00 Everyone queued up, we got into the warbarge. At 3 mins left on the timer until the match startd, we all got booted out into the merc quarters. There was no mails about anything, our clones went up so we assume we won. 2nd & 3rd matches District: Aeditide V - District 3 Time of battle: 2013.05.16 15:10:00 District: Aeditide V - District 7 Time of battle: 2013.05.16 19:50:00 Both suffered from the extreme low FPS. They were all 5 point maps. For the 15:10 battle, as we were majority Australian players, we were given a server with FULL connection strength, so I don't think it was network lag. For the 19:50 match, we were a mishmash of players. For me the server's network was only 2 bars, and for others it was 1-3. They both had the same installation in game. The place where the low FPS caused the most pain was in a HAV, driving around the installation where C/CRU/Supply depot are. (Best picture of what the installation is where CRU is in E7 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=48088&find=unread ). The low FPS was so bad that trying to turn my HAV turret 180, would result in me seeing it turn in roughly 30 degree amounts. I lost a bunch of HAVs in the same place, where I'd see I've got 3/4 armour (in armour tanked HAV), then next frame I am destroyed with no idea of what happened. The 4th game District: Aeditide V - District 2 Time of battle: 2013.05.16 20:40:00 The other side were no shows. The installation was the same. But this time the fighting wasn't concentrated indoors at the same E7 spot (as the other team were no shows). There didn't seem to be any FPS issues. My corp members in the matches reported the same symptoms, but some were swearing it was network lag, not FPS. Others were saying it was low FPS & network latency. Corp members ran another match while I slept, I was told there were low FPS issues here also District: Aeditide V - District 6 Time of battle: 2013.05.17 00:50:00 I hope this was enough detailed information for you.

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 1214	Posted - 2013.05.17 01:50:00 - [16] - Quote xp3ll3d dust wrote: I played 4 PC matches, had issues with almost all of them. 1st match District: Kadlina IV - District 6 Time of battle: 2013.05.16 14:40:00 Everyone queued up, we got into the warbarge. At 3 mins left on the timer until the match startd, we all got booted out into the merc quarters. There was no mails about anything, our clones went up so we assume we won. 2nd & 3rd matches District: Aeditide V - District 3 Time of battle: 2013.05.16 15:10:00 District: Aeditide V - District 7 Time of battle: 2013.05.16 19:50:00 Both suffered from the extreme low FPS. They were all 5 point maps. For the 15:10 battle, as we were majority Australian players, we were given a server with FULL connection strength, so I don't think it was network lag. For the 19:50 match, we were a mishmash of players. For me the server's network was only 2 bars, and for others it was 1-3. They both had the same installation in game. The place where the low FPS caused the most pain was in a HAV, driving around the installation where C/CRU/Supply depot are. (Best picture of what the installation is where CRU is in E7 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=48088&find=unread ). The low FPS was so bad that trying to turn my HAV turret 180, would result in me seeing it turn in roughly 30 degree amounts. I lost a bunch of HAVs in the same place, where I'd see I've got 3/4 armour (in armour tanked HAV), then next frame I am destroyed with no idea of what happened. 4th match District: Aeditide V - District 2 Time of battle: 2013.05.16 20:40:00 The other side were no shows. The installation was the same. But this time the fighting wasn't concentrated indoors at the same E7 spot (as the other team were no shows). There didn't seem to be any FPS issues. My corp members in the matches reported the same symptoms, but some were swearing it was network lag, not FPS. Others were saying it was low FPS & network latency. Corp members ran another match while I slept, I was told there were low FPS issues here also District: Aeditide V - District 6 Time of battle: 2013.05.17 00:50:00 I hope this was enough detailed information for you. This is really great information, especially the note about the latency bars. Thanks for this, we will spend some time having a look at what happened in these battles.

Davy Headhunter ZionTCD Unclaimed. 3	Posted - 2013.05.17 01:55:00 - [17] - Quote Me and other 3 friends of me are having ultra high latency, not sure why, its like impossible to walk, u keep hitting at wals constantly, aiming then... pff... anyway, i opend a bug report "Bug report no.: 158187" where i gave more detailde information bout ISP and IP.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 246	Posted - 2013.05.17 02:07:00 - [18] - Quote Den-tredje Baron wrote: What i would really like to see is that the eve side gets more dominant than it is right now. I thought the warbage strikes where turned off and all orbitals now had to be delivered by an actual eve player. Are there any updates coming to reinforce the bond between eve and dust making it much more viable to have eve guys above than it is in the instance right now where eve players are basically not needed ?? Or did i miss something regarding warbarge orbitals compared to eve player orbitals as costing equal amount of WP ? I think Dust side orbitals should be off. Dust Corps should have to use Eve for orbitals in PC. This along with Eve side PI bonuses (maybe contracts for Eve corps to support district owners).i think this is the dynamic that could drive the Eve/Dust market merge. Put facilities on the planets that generate Merc gear/vehicles. Holding a district allows the eve contract holder to generate this gear through PI. Somewhere in there you've got the formula to open up the market.
ZDub 303 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 157	Posted - 2013.05.17 02:16:00 - [19] - Quote Definitely Framerate lag. I was probably around 1-2 fps literally. The moment I was in the main battle area I was unable to move at all. I took a video of it with my phone right before I dropped the battle... I'll try to post the youtube link here if the forum will let me.
Icy Xenosmilus Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 273	Posted - 2013.05.17 02:18:00 - [20] - Quote Disconnected in match halfway through both times. Time for second one which I remember is 9:00. UA vs .137

Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 982	Posted - 2013.05.17 02:19:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Nullarbor is best Nullarbor
ZDub 303 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 157	Posted - 2013.05.17 02:22:00 - [22] - Quote ugh double post
Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers EoN. 195	Posted - 2013.05.17 02:27:00 - [23] - Quote Seems like the PS3 can't handle 16 v 16 matches. FPS drops dramatically in cqc, with hit detection being terrible.
Mr PurpSicle D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 31	Posted - 2013.05.17 02:38:00 - [24] - Quote is it that hard to figure out? you guys friggen built it... oh wait my guess is that next to none of the devs actually play their own game. how could they play it, given the decision they've made with the last build. either THEY'RE the blueberries i TK'ed for being dipshits in chromosome or marketing's so far up their ass they can't even see two feet in front of them.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Unclaimed. 35	Posted - 2013.05.17 02:38:00 - [25] - Quote I got MASSIVE FPS lag in the one game I was in, it was near slideshow status. One issue I see in them is how hard it is for directors to assign and setup squads for the battles, we had some issues with random people just popping in taking spots from people who were actually picked/assigned/whatever you wanna call it. I'd like to see some sort of an optional whitelist feature for battles with support for assigning backups incase the other person can't show. EDIT: Mr PurpSicle wrote: is it that hard to figure out? you guys friggen built it... oh wait my guess is that next to none of the devs actually play their own game. how could they play it, given the decision they've made with the last build. either THEY'RE the blueberries i TK'ed for being dipshits in chromosome or marketing's so far up their ass they can't even see two feet in front of them. You're quite ignorant in how programming is aren't you? Bugs aren't apparent.
Stan Kattel Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 1	Posted - 2013.05.17 02:53:00 - [26] - Quote So, we done 2 PC battles and lag is killing us. For example, I played in BF3 hacked Japanese(I`m from Russia) servers, true NA proxy, which has 128x128 battles on famous map "Metro"... There was NO lag, only beta-glitches. I know that PS3 is old as... OK, it`s old. But when you played with literally 5fps on PC battles when in random battles it`s like 25-30 ... And all teams from the same server-zone... And enemy have no lag... That's unfair.
xIc0n1k Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 26	Posted - 2013.05.17 03:01:00 - [27] - Quote Deluxe Edition wrote: Seems like the PS3 can't handle 16 v 16 matches. FPS drops dramatically in cqc, with hit detection being terrible. ps3 can handle it just fine case in point MAG but the engine or w/e the **** in Dust is the issue not the ps3 itself.
DarthPadre Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 0	Posted - 2013.05.17 03:15:00 - [28] - Quote Klingt X - D: 3 02:20 EVE Time DBD v. BHD My frame rate was seconds per frame. All non-green dots were white/beige (both blue and red). Objectives stopped changing color after a few minutes even though they were changing hands. We now know to keep a deep bench ready, but it was unplayable. I wasn't the only one who was experiencing this lag either. It was a mix of US and EU, but both US and EU players were experiencing this lag. Again, unplayable. Very sad panda.
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 560	Posted - 2013.05.17 04:24:00 - [29] - Quote Ennur VI, District 5 at 21:20 on May 16th I didn't notice much latency, but extremely heavy framerate issues. When I tried to turn my view would jump around and the enemies we were facing would blink across the ground. It was like swimming in mud. There was a small amount of this framerate lag for me at the beginning when we spawned in, reaching its peak when we got to the facility. From what I've seen and read our opponents didn't have any lag at all. Everyone on my team had this problem, including the people who jumped in to replace those whose clients crashed entirely. Most of our players were North American.
PT SD Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 416	Posted - 2013.05.17 04:57:00 - [30] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: Ennur VI, District 5 at 21:20 on May 16th I didn't notice much latency, but extremely heavy framerate issues. When I tried to turn my view would jump around and the enemies we were facing would blink across the ground. It was like swimming in mud. There was a small amount of this framerate lag for me at the beginning when we spawned in, reaching its peak when we got to the facility. From what I've seen and read our opponents didn't have any lag at all. Everyone on my team had this problem, including the people who jumped in to replace those whose clients crashed entirely. Most of our players were North American. +1, I had 2-3 FPS running around inside the facility, and maybe 5-6 fames around Delta and Charlie. We also had two people drop from the match due to skating across the map. We were the defenders in this battle.



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