Wait, who is whining here?

Well exactly what it says up there ^
Almost every game in beta takes away everything you've owned when switching over to the Final Release.
Give people who paid their Aurum back, but take away every single skill point that was accumulated during the Beta Phase.
Disband all Corporations..
Nothing that was given or made during beta crosses over to the Full Release.
It's complete garbage! There's absolutely no use to join a Corp doing battles, because they won't even let you play their corp battles at all unless you have ''PROTO'' Shiyt! or 6 Mill SP! Which you shouldn't even have considering the game just finalized!

Everything needs to be taken away, everything needs to be fair!
It's absolutely not fair! This universe is lopsided!

Those who would like to Petition for a Full Scale Game Reset
Quote & Pass your name on. Those who will oppose this idea, solely because it effects them can whine without quoting.
Again if you quote you automatically agree to this, no way around it.

Well exactly what it says up there ^
Almost every game in beta takes away everything you've owned when switching over to the Final Release.
Give people who paid their Aurum back, but take away every single skill point that was accumulated during the Beta Phase.
Disband all Corporations..
Nothing that was given or made during beta crosses over to the Full Release.
It's complete garbage! There's absolutely no use to join a Corp doing battles, because they won't even let you play their corp battles at all unless you have ''PROTO'' Shiyt! or 6 Mill SP! Which you shouldn't even have considering the game just finalized!

Everything needs to be taken away, everything needs to be fair!
It's absolutely not fair! This universe is lopsided!

Those who would like to Petition for a Full Scale Game Reset
Quote & Pass your name on. Those who will oppose this idea, solely because it effects them can whine without quoting.
Again if you quote you automatically agree to this, no way around it.

We must not be talking about the same game then, because this one just got released as given it's release date.

Hate this game but f it i'll reference it for ya.
That's like letting everyone play COD while in beta phase, then giving each one of them juggernaut suits & not taking them away upon release.
Do you see the problem now?

Hate this game but f it i'll reference it for ya.
That's like letting everyone play COD while in beta phase, then giving each one of them juggernaut suits & not taking them away upon release.
Do you see the problem now?

Hate this game but f it i'll reference it for ya.
That's like letting everyone play COD while in beta phase, then giving each one of them juggernaut suits & not taking them away upon release.
Do you see the problem now?

So open beta was what... 4 months ago..?

So in 4 months will you be back complaining that there are people with 12 million and people with 0 sp?

no? thats right... cause now you'll have 12 million.

So when that new guy comes along and says "waaaaaaaah not fair!!!"

What are you gonna say?

We must not be talking about the same game then, because this one just got released as given it's release date.

So open beta was what... 4 months ago..?

So in 4 months will you be back complaining that there are people with 12 million and people with 0 sp?

no? thats right... cause now you'll have 12 million.

So when that new guy comes along and says "waaaaaaaah not fair!!!"

What are you gonna say?

HTFU, SP gap will always exist.

"QQ, game only released 2 days ago, why do I need so much SP?"

Answer: game was "released" two days ago, but has been fully available to you for almost 5 months now. You've had 5 months to earn your 6 million SP.

"QQ, but I only want to play a finished product. I don't want to waste my time on a beta."

Answer: 2 things. One, that is your choice, which is why you had QQ #1. Second, EVE is basically a 10-year evolving beta. Guess what? Dust is the same. Brand new content was just added on "release" day, which has not yet been tested externally at all until today as the first battle timers expire.



Honestly, you don't have very strong points in your OP about why the SP needs to be reset.

Well exactly what it says up there ^
Almost every game in beta takes away everything you've owned when switching over to the Final Release.
Give people who paid their Aurum back, but take away every single skill point that was accumulated during the Beta Phase.
Disband all Corporations..
Nothing that was given or made during beta crosses over to the Full Release.
It's complete garbage! There's absolutely no use to join a Corp doing battles, because they won't even let you play their corp battles at all unless you have ''PROTO'' Shiyt! or 6 Mill SP! Which you shouldn't even have considering the game just finalized!

Everything needs to be taken away, everything needs to be fair!
It's absolutely not fair! This universe is lopsided!

Those who would like to Petition for a Full Scale Game Reset
Quote & Pass your name on. Those who will oppose this idea, solely because it effects them can whine without quoting.
Again if you quote you automatically agree to this, no way around it.

No, we paid aurum for a reason, to be better, to get skills, and to be better, to get further in the game, and to be better.
How about you work like that rest of us, we been working to get 9+ million skill points in our **** for a reason...

- Geth

Don't need to have strong points.
People can realize that for themselves or keep defending themselves it makes no difference to me what you think.

Wow.

This is quite literally the most hilariously bad attempt at a counter-argument I've ever seen or heard.

I'm impressed.

So open beta was what... 4 months ago..?

So in 4 months will you be back complaining that there are people with 12 million and people with 0 sp?

no? thats right... cause now you'll have 12 million.

So when that new guy comes along and says "waaaaaaaah not fair!!!"

What are you gonna say?

Would you like a cookie?

what's up dude. feel your pain. But in 4 months when you have a good amount of sp. what happens to the new guy? should we reset every time some one new joins?

*Don't think it's the same..* what you siding with him?

Fine. How about this.. all you new rookies who started same day, are you all going to be on equal level 1 week from now? No. Some will hate the grind like they hate a care bare MMO (looking at you DOTA) and get boosters to shorten that grind. Not paying in a free game? then your left behind.

*wow.. you put everything into perspective! The ladies love you huh?*

And I love them. Hi ladies.

if you quote you automatically agree to this, no way around it.

A fair start at the OFFICIAL LAUNCH DATE WOULD BE NICE!
How many beta games have you played where everything you got in the beta carries over to Launch Release?
NONE..

Sounds like maybe you joined a corp that has rules that your not good enough for. You can also petition for a reset if you like and I am pretty sure they will give it to you. If you take away all the SP earned during the beta phase then you will also need to start finding a way to attract alot of new players because a huge portion of the current player base will leave. The game is not that revolutionary at this point so why grind for a 2nd or 3rd time just to get the same game they have been playing all along

*Whine*

I have yet to see a decent counter argument against this.

My counter was disregarding it as rubbish & anything else that you have to say.

I said "decent"

A fair start at the OFFICIAL LAUNCH DATE WOULD BE NICE!
How many beta games have you played where everything you got in the beta carries over to Launch Release?
NONE..

Sp difference will always exist, and those with more sp and better gear will always be favourited over those that don't. Accept it.

You say HTFU, I say STFU and feel what it's like to be new again. Your proto gear and giant pool of SP is a crutch. You're weak without it, just like the rest of the vets. This idea scares the crap out of you, admit it.

Sounds like maybe you joined a corp that has rules that your not good enough for. You can also petition for a reset if you like and I am pretty sure they will give it to you. If you take away all the SP earned during the beta phase then you will also need to start finding a way to attract alot of new players because a huge portion of the current player base will leave. The game is not that revolutionary at this point so why grind for a 2nd or 3rd time just to get the same game they have been playing all along

And are you actually upset about the time you invested in a beta? Let me remind you -- it's a freaking beta. You lose your stuff when the full game comes out. That's when you HTFU, vets.

Mai Gawd, Gaiz.

Okay, right. As can be proven by any vet with about five minutes work, an SP reset doesn't actually matter. Why, you ask? I'm glad you asked such an important question.

The vets already know the mechanics of the game, they already know the maps, the weapons, the vehicles. They are used to the controls, and know how to fit the dropsuits just the way they like it. Basically, they just know the game a lot better than any new players. Most vets can create a new character, go into the Noob Academy, and start killing en masse. This has happened before, and will probably happen again.

All you do by forcing an SP reset is force the vets to either quit, or play with the noobs again. Either way it's very, very bad for the game. In the first instance, you lose a lot of your most valuable and committed people. This is horrible for a game in its infancy.

In the second instance, you lose all the new players who have called for this reset in the first place, not realising exactly what kind of ****storm they were calling on themselves. Then you lose all the core players anyway, because there's no population in game to keep them interested.

So, newbs, which would you prefer? Being slaughtered by guys in protosuits if you go instant battle, allowing you to have an excuse and something to complain about, or being slaughtered in noob academy, with no excuse to turn to, and no one to blame but yourself?

Well exactly what it says up there ^
Almost every game in beta takes away everything you've owned when switching over to the Final Release.
Give people who paid their Aurum back, but take away every single skill point that was accumulated during the Beta Phase.
Disband all Corporations..
Nothing that was given or made during beta crosses over to the Full Release.
It's complete garbage! There's absolutely no use to join a Corp doing battles, because they won't even let you play their corp battles at all unless you have ''PROTO'' Shiyt! or 6 Mill SP! Which you shouldn't even have considering the game just finalized!

Everything needs to be taken away, everything needs to be fair!
It's absolutely not fair! This universe is lopsided!

Those who would like to Petition for a Full Scale Game Reset
Quote & Pass your name on. Those who will oppose this idea, solely because it effects them can whine without quoting.
Again if you quote you automatically agree to this, no way around it.

HTFU

And welcome to :CCP:

Well exactly what it says up there ^
Almost every game in beta takes away everything you've owned when switching over to the Final Release.
Give people who paid their Aurum back, but take away every single skill point that was accumulated during the Beta Phase.
Disband all Corporations..
Nothing that was given or made during beta crosses over to the Full Release.
It's complete garbage! There's absolutely no use to join a Corp doing battles, because they won't even let you play their corp battles at all unless you have ''PROTO'' Shiyt! or 6 Mill SP! Which you shouldn't even have considering the game just finalized!

Everything needs to be taken away, everything needs to be fair!
It's absolutely not fair! This universe is lopsided!

Those who would like to Petition for a Full Scale Game Reset
Quote & Pass your name on. Those who will oppose this idea, solely because it effects them can whine without quoting.
Again if you quote you automatically agree to this, no way around it.

Well exactly what it says up there ^
Almost every game in beta takes away everything you've owned when switching over to the Final Release.
Give people who paid their Aurum back, but take away every single skill point that was accumulated during the Beta Phase.
Disband all Corporations..
Nothing that was given or made during beta crosses over to the Full Release.
It's complete garbage! There's absolutely no use to join a Corp doing battles, because they won't even let you play their corp battles at all unless you have ''PROTO'' Shiyt! or 6 Mill SP! Which you shouldn't even have considering the game just finalized!

Everything needs to be taken away, everything needs to be fair!
It's absolutely not fair! This universe is lopsided!

Those who would like to Petition for a Full Scale Game Reset
Quote & Pass your name on. Those who will oppose this idea, solely because it effects them can whine without quoting.
Again if you quote you automatically agree to this, no way around it.

Well exactly what it says up there ^
Almost every game in beta takes away everything you've owned when switching over to the Final Release.
Give people who paid their Aurum back, but take away every single skill point that was accumulated during the Beta Phase.
Disband all Corporations..
Nothing that was given or made during beta crosses over to the Full Release.
It's complete garbage! There's absolutely no use to join a Corp doing battles, because they won't even let you play their corp battles at all unless you have ''PROTO'' Shiyt! or 6 Mill SP! Which you shouldn't even have considering the game just finalized!

Everything needs to be taken away, everything needs to be fair!
It's absolutely not fair! This universe is lopsided!

Those who would like to Petition for a Full Scale Game Reset
Quote & Pass your name on. Those who will oppose this idea, solely because it effects them can whine without quoting.
Again if you quote you automatically agree to this, no way around it.

Well exactly what it says up there ^
Almost every game in beta takes away everything you've owned when switching over to the Final Release.
Give people who paid their Aurum back, but take away every single skill point that was accumulated during the Beta Phase.
Disband all Corporations..
Nothing that was given or made during beta crosses over to the Full Release.
It's complete garbage! There's absolutely no use to join a Corp doing battles, because they won't even let you play their corp battles at all unless you have ''PROTO'' Shiyt! or 6 Mill SP! Which you shouldn't even have considering the game just finalized!

Everything needs to be taken away, everything needs to be fair!
It's absolutely not fair! This universe is lopsided!

Those who would like to Petition for a Full Scale Game Reset
Quote & Pass your name on. Those who will oppose this idea, solely because it effects them can whine without quoting.
Again if you quote you automatically agree to this, no way around it.

What i truly find funny is how seriously everyone took me.
Now I'd like to take the time since i do have everyones attention...
STOP NERFING SH1YT! YOU HAVE JUST BEEN PLAYED PLAYERS!
OR i will keep posting shiyt like this & eventually fuhkk everyone over with a FULL SCALE SKILL RESET!

I was against this thread until I decided it was a troll. Now I'm talking to devs in IRC about how best to implement a mandatory reset.