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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
326
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:31:00 -
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I can see why they hinted that the next expansion may be about the fall of the Empires. Now that the clone soldiers are starting to get loose, think about the real horror that is a clone soldier. An immortal, elite soldier who can be cloned to look like anyone, who has no definite features or tells.
No one will be safe, there is no such thing as a suicide mission now. Why would one of us even blink at strapping ourselves down with explosive compound and running into a executive or political building and killing everyone inside only to wake up moments later on a distant planet with no one the wiser at who we are?
The scariness isn't that we can continually fight forever in wars of domination. Its that now there can be extremely skilled and elite operatives who don't care if they live or die.
Heth? Roden? Jamyl? They can't be safe. Any one of us could be formed into someone and look like we should be at the location, we know procedure enough not to stand out. It doesn't matter if we are caught because we can just detonate ourselves.
With the release of Uprising, are you guys ready to bring down everything?
Now taking bids, Starting at 1 Million isk for me to wire myself down with detmix and try to detonate one of the Empire leaders or in a large public place. |
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1680
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:37:00 -
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Wow immortal terrorists, never thought of that before. The implications are staggering, the only limiting factor to cloned mercenaries now are their own morals and ISK. |
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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
327
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:51:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Wow immortal terrorists, never thought of that before. The implications are staggering, the only limiting factor to cloned mercenaries now are their own morals and ISK.
No kidding, per the information, each clone is $53,000 and thats just the highest rate, the price will only decrease once the economy gets going. Lets say it averages at $40,000 a clone, then $5,000 in elite equipment. Thats just a base cost
For the price of a nice car you can fund a elite veteran killer to murder anywhere from 100 to 10,000 people. Think about dropping a stack of grenades into a ship's plasma reactor, could kill hundreds of thousands for cheap. Overloading a chemical foundry, dumping poisonous chemicals in the air.
Or the one we fear now adays, the merc who just walks into a major city with a suitcase nuke and detonates.
The real question is, how much will the Cartel's pay us. They have alot of isk to burn and the scale of the destruction for the cost is only limited by the imagination.
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Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
292
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:54:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:I can see why they hinted that the next expansion may be about the fall of the Empires. Now that the clone soldiers are starting to get loose, think about the real horror that is a clone soldier. An immortal, elite soldier who can be cloned to look like anyone, who has no definite features or tells.
No one will be safe, there is no such thing as a suicide mission now. Why would one of us even blink at strapping ourselves down with explosive compound and running into a executive or political building and killing everyone inside only to wake up moments later on a distant planet with no one the wiser at who we are?
The scariness isn't that we can continually fight forever in wars of domination. Its that now there can be extremely skilled and elite operatives who don't care if they live or die.
Heth? Roden? Jamyl? They can't be safe. Any one of us could be formed into someone and look like we should be at the location, we know procedure enough not to stand out. It doesn't matter if we are caught because we can just detonate ourselves.
With the release of Uprising, are you guys ready to bring down everything?
Now taking bids, Starting at 1 Million isk for me to wire myself down with detmix and try to detonate one of the Empire leaders or in a large public place.
10 mill to hit a Minmater aid centre. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4177
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:57:00 -
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We're more perfect for black ops than any other soldier out there. How would one catch such terrorist. |
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Somin Krais
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1
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Posted - 2013.05.16 19:57:00 -
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Harkon Vysarii wrote:Daedric Lothar wrote:I can see why they hinted that the next expansion may be about the fall of the Empires. Now that the clone soldiers are starting to get loose, think about the real horror that is a clone soldier. An immortal, elite soldier who can be cloned to look like anyone, who has no definite features or tells.
No one will be safe, there is no such thing as a suicide mission now. Why would one of us even blink at strapping ourselves down with explosive compound and running into a executive or political building and killing everyone inside only to wake up moments later on a distant planet with no one the wiser at who we are?
The scariness isn't that we can continually fight forever in wars of domination. Its that now there can be extremely skilled and elite operatives who don't care if they live or die.
Heth? Roden? Jamyl? They can't be safe. Any one of us could be formed into someone and look like we should be at the location, we know procedure enough not to stand out. It doesn't matter if we are caught because we can just detonate ourselves.
With the release of Uprising, are you guys ready to bring down everything?
Now taking bids, Starting at 1 Million isk for me to wire myself down with detmix and try to detonate one of the Empire leaders or in a large public place. 10 mill to hit a Minmater aid centre.
"I give to you the destiny of Faith, And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13 |
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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
327
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:00:00 -
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Harkon Vysarii wrote: 10 mill to hit a Minmater aid centre.
Bid starting at 10 million for killing thousands and starving tens of thousands. Do we have any other offers? |
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Xender17
Oblivion S.G.X
72
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:04:00 -
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Not everyone is immortal in Eden. I believe our mercs signed some sort of contract to become immortal and work for whoever. Also I would NEVER blow myself up and kill citizens because of war... even if I'm immortal. |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3887
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:05:00 -
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I'm willing to take contracts against Amarr civilians. Any tribe want to send a message? |
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Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
527
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:05:00 -
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15 mil to release an airborne pathogen. |
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Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1334
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:09:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Not everyone is immortal in Eden. I believe our mercs signed some sort of contract to become immortal and work for whoever. Also I would NEVER blow myself up and kill citizens because of war... even if I'm immortal.
Ah, but give yourself a few years and thousands of clone jumps and will you still feel any connections to mortals? At some point they will begin to resemble a completely different race of beings that age and die while you do not. |
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Somin Krais
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
2
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:09:00 -
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Laheon wrote:15 mil to release an airborne pathogen.
on the Minmatar center? Two birds + one stone = bank |
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
525
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:10:00 -
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But we do have big, shiny, alien technology in our skulls. Prolly detectable from a mile away. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:10:00 -
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Also its only a matter of time before capsuleers get the tech to recruit their own numbers. |
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Jane Tyrok
Applied Demolitions Lawyers
0
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:14:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Not everyone is immortal in Eden. I believe our mercs signed some sort of contract to become immortal and work for whoever. Also I would NEVER blow myself up and kill citizens because of war... even if I'm immortal.
So did capsuleers when they first were created. See what happened there? ;)
Also congrats on being one of the few Mercs with a strong moral compass! We'll see you again after you've died a few thousand times more :D |
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DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Heretic Initiative
280
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:19:00 -
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Is it possible to destroy their DNA or memory? Would that not put an end to a merc? |
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Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
755
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:21:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Is it possible to destroy their DNA or memory? Would that not put an end to a merc?
I'm pretty sure Mordu (or whoever) can pull the plug on our ability to jump to the next clone. |
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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
327
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:22:00 -
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You need to get more creative.
How about I learn how to repair a Titan engine, kill a crew member on gallente Titan, take his place, sabotage their jump bridge coordinates and then jump their entire fleet into a star? |
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Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
146
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:25:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Is it possible to destroy their DNA or memory? Would that not put an end to a merc? I'm pretty sure Mordu (or whoever) can pull the plug on our ability to jump to the next clone.
That and we're bound by the whimes of Gene-whatever they're called who move clones for us. All they have to say is "No." and we're boned. |
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:31:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:Knarf Black wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Is it possible to destroy their DNA or memory? Would that not put an end to a merc? I'm pretty sure Mordu (or whoever) can pull the plug on our ability to jump to the next clone. That and we're bound by the whimes of Gene-whatever they're called who move clones for us. All they have to say is "No." and we're boned. Mordu's legion doesn't own all of us(I think) and we won't be bound to genolution forever. Face it, it's only a matter of time until our tech ends up in the hands of capsuleers, and then Pandora's box will be well and truly open. |
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Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
527
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:39:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:But we do have big, shiny, alien technology in our skulls. Prolly detectable from a mile away.
They're implants. Most capsuleers have implants in their head, too. Probably not as detectable as you might think. |
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DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Heretic Initiative
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:40:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:Knarf Black wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Is it possible to destroy their DNA or memory? Would that not put an end to a merc? I'm pretty sure Mordu (or whoever) can pull the plug on our ability to jump to the next clone. That and we're bound by the whimes of Gene-whatever they're called who move clones for us. All they have to say is "No." and we're boned. Mordu's legion doesn't own all of us(I think) and we won't be bound to genolution forever. Face it, it's only a matter of time until our tech ends up in the hands of capsuleers, and then Pandora's box will be well and truly open. They could just EMP entire planets and ships, so that they would no longer have the electricity to create clones. |
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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
329
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Posted - 2013.05.16 20:54:00 -
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I mean eve pilots can clone across the universe, what's to stop me from having clones in null and low sec and hitching a ride on a capsule ship as a crew member to Jita then to anywhere. I'd be an invaluable crew member since I can keep learning new things.
And if I fail at my mission there is always tomorrow. And the next day and the next day and the...... |
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1688
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:06:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:gbghg wrote:Vallud Eadesso wrote:Knarf Black wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Is it possible to destroy their DNA or memory? Would that not put an end to a merc? I'm pretty sure Mordu (or whoever) can pull the plug on our ability to jump to the next clone. That and we're bound by the whimes of Gene-whatever they're called who move clones for us. All they have to say is "No." and we're boned. Mordu's legion doesn't own all of us(I think) and we won't be bound to genolution forever. Face it, it's only a matter of time until our tech ends up in the hands of capsuleers, and then Pandora's box will be well and truly open. They could just EMP entire planets and ships, so that they would no longer have the electricity to create clones. I imagine that the systems would be reinforced to withstand EMP's and that there would be backups in place. How could you stop an independent mercanary corporation with combined Elysian/empyrean support which has CRU's set up all over the cluster? You couldn't, you can't trap them, you can't kill them, no matter your efforts they will doing whatever it is they want to do. |
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Baneus Secundi
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:16:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:But we do have big, shiny, alien technology in our skulls. Prolly detectable from a mile away. They're implants. Most capsuleers have implants in their head, too. Probably not as detectable as you might think.
Capsuleers have a bunch of interface ports on their spines, including one in base of the neck above the shoulderline that enable the links to their pods and ships. I suspect we have something similar, but we'll never know until we get out of these suits.
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
304
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:32:00 -
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Did anyone else click into this thread expecting another "bad game" thread? |
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Hawkings Greenback
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
33
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:57:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Did anyone else click into this thread expecting another "bad game" thread?
I hope you were surprised then |
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Otavio Martins
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
26
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:10:00 -
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Well...they could try to shutdown the machines that brings us to new clones and destroy the consciousness compatible clone or something like that...
And yes ,i though this was a bad game thread. |
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Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
39
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:20:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:I can see why they hinted that the next expansion may be about the fall of the Empires. Now that the clone soldiers are starting to get loose, think about the real horror that is a clone soldier. An immortal, elite soldier who can be cloned to look like anyone, who has no definite features or tells.
No one will be safe, there is no such thing as a suicide mission now. Why would one of us even blink at strapping ourselves down with explosive compound and running into a executive or political building and killing everyone inside only to wake up moments later on a distant planet with no one the wiser at who we are?
The scariness isn't that we can continually fight forever in wars of domination. Its that now there can be extremely skilled and elite operatives who don't care if they live or die.
Heth? Roden? Jamyl? They can't be safe. Any one of us could be formed into someone and look like we should be at the location, we know procedure enough not to stand out. It doesn't matter if we are caught because we can just detonate ourselves.
With the release of Uprising, are you guys ready to bring down everything?
Now taking bids, Starting at 1 Million isk for me to wire myself down with detmix and try to detonate one of the Empire leaders or in a large public place.
You obviously haven't met CONCORD yet ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4212
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:22:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/cloned-mercenaries-flood-into-molden-heath/ |
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Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
674
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:28:00 -
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Don't forget, also, that there will be mercs hired as counter-terrorists. And hence, may the highest bidder win. ![Twisted](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_twisted.png) |
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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
332
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:33:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:We're more perfect for black ops than any other soldier out there. How would one catch such terrorist.
The only thing I could think of would be some type of handheld jamming device which would stop the implant's signals from transmitting the information from one location to another, or one that could reroute the signal to a detention facility. However that has serious implications about the gameplay of Dust 514. Considering it would neutralize the cloning ability of any attackers or defenders.
There is also the possibility of Battle-star Galactica where you can't really jam the signal, but you can only clone so far away. However that would severely limit Null Sec attack possibilities. Companies could only attack fairly adjacent facilities instead of trying to penetrate deep into enemy territory.
The bidding is up to a combined bid of 25 million to release an airborne pathogen in a Mim Aide center. However for that price I may just do 5-10 Aide centers. Also once that job is complete I can do more. Keep the bids coming!.
The only thing that stops people from committing atrocities is the fear of consequences. The fear of death, the fear of imprisonment. With nothing like that to stop us then there is nothing to prevent us from destroying everything. No Empire could withstand hundreds of attacks each day, hundreds or thousands of mercs working independently to commit acts of terrorism on a mass scale. |
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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
332
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:37:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:Don't forget, also, that there will be mercs hired as counter-terrorists. And hence, may the highest bidder win. ![Twisted](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_twisted.png)
Don't forget, you can stop me a dozen times, a hundred times. however all I have to do is reach my destination to wreck havoc. How would a facility do if I reach the first checkpoint and detonate a huge explosive and then clone and come back within minutes to hours and do it again and again. How long could a facility or location last with the sheer scale of uncaring terrorist activity?
And each time I'm stopped I will learn more about your procedures, adapt my infiltration paths. How often can you change the codes before people start to screw up and your information chains break down? The only way is constant martial law, but even that doesn't work because you could hire one of us to guard you and we use that to get in and destroy you.
The only real way to stop us is to kill us all now. |
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Mark The Red
The NM Militia
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Posted - 2013.05.16 23:06:00 -
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For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
As with all weapons, the clone will fall into the hands of terrorists. To meet the new threat, government enforced protocols will be brought in to test the background of each and every clone as he awakens to ensure they truly are who they claim.
A specially assigned task force of clones and men alike will rise up to find and destroy rogue facuilities, thus ending the cycle for criminal clones.
It'll become another sort of black market, another cat and mouse game between pirate and English navy.
And, as always, God help those caught in the middle. |
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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
338
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:05:00 -
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Mark The Red wrote:For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
As with all weapons, the clone will fall into the hands of terrorists. To meet the new threat, government enforced protocols will be brought in to test the background of each and every clone as he awakens to ensure they truly are who they claim.
A specially assigned task force of clones and men alike will rise up to find and destroy rogue facuilities, thus ending the cycle for criminal clones.
It'll become another sort of black market, another cat and mouse game between pirate and English navy.
And, as always, God help those caught in the middle.
Good luck with that. If there is one thing that history teaches us again and again. It is that Empires and Nations cannot stand up against small bands of loose elements who engage is guerilla warfare. The idea of a task force trying to hunt down an immortal terrorist is silly at best. Kill him today on one planet, he is on another one planting a bomb. Kill him there and he will just appear in a concert hall on another planet. How long until Anarchy rules? There is only so much a population can take before they start blaming the government instead of the terrorist. |
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Robert JD Niewiadomski
NULLIMPEX INC
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:22:00 -
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DHS is watching all of you closely for sure You will have to swim in kayaks for next year fanfest As your names get to the "no fly" list... For this reason i will not like any post here... |
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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:29:00 -
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Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:DHS is watching all of you closely for sure ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png) You will have to swim in kayaks for next year fanfest ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png) As your names get to the "no fly" list... For this reason i will not like any post here...
Protip - If you can't afford a doctor, go to an airport - you'll get a free x-ray and a breast exam, and; if you mention Al Qaeda you'll get a free colonoscopy. |
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steadyhand amarr
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:30:00 -
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I would be strong money on the empires working on jamming tech to stop clones jumping in or running off else wereif I was an empire leader this would be at the top of my list |
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Cpt Murd0ck
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:32:00 -
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Guys it would actully be very easy to stop a merc...
All you have to do is keep him/her alive.
and to stop any suicide attempts you would use a null collar (see eve lore).
simple.
This could obviously be countered by a self destruct device embedded in the merc. although he would need a squad mate to activate it. |
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Cpt Murd0ck
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:32:00 -
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Guys it would actully be very easy to stop a merc...
All you have to do is keep him/her alive.
and to stop any suicide attempts you would use a null collar (see eve lore).
simple.
This could obviously be countered by a self destruct device embedded in the merc. although he would need a squad mate to activate it. |
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Cpt Murd0ck
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:33:00 -
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Guys it would actully be very easy to stop a merc...
All you have to do is keep him/her alive.
and to stop any suicide attempts you would use a null collar (see eve lore).
simple.
This could obviously be countered by a self destruct device embedded in the merc. although he would need a squad mate to activate it. |
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Cpt Murd0ck
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:33:00 -
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Guys it would actully be very easy to stop a merc...
All you have to do is keep him/her alive.
and to stop any suicide attempts you would use a null collar (see eve lore).
simple.
This could obviously be countered by a self destruct device embedded in the merc. although he would need a squad mate to activate it. |
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Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:33:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote: Good luck with that. If there is one thing that history teaches us again and again. It is that Empires and Nations cannot stand up against small bands of loose elements who engage in guerilla warfare. The idea of a task force trying to hunt down an immortal terrorist is silly at best. Kill him today on one planet, he is on another one planting a bomb. Kill him there and he will just appear in a concert hall on another planet. How long until Anarchy rules? There is only so much a population can take before they start blaming the government instead of the terrorist.
Another thing that history has taught us? Power never dies. Anarchy is when power is constantly fluctuating and never held by one person for more than a second. In an instant, a beggar may kill a king, a woman may **** a man. That's anarchy, pure chaos.
But it's impossible, just like a utopia is impossible. There will always be one who takes control of the chaos. Whether it's a corporation or a small group, someone has to pay your terrorists. And those who pay immortal clones to do their bidding obviously have an agenda. If they go blow **** up just for the hell of it, the future will be bleak and biomass shortages will turn immortals into impossibly expensive assets.
Terrorists have agendas. Anarchists don't. Even if one says "my agenda is to create chaos", one isn't an anarchist.
There is only so much destruction immortal clones can cause before the reasons and money to do so run dry, and after that, nations surface again. See Orwell's Animal Farm; it's a nice loosely related case of the impossibility of trying to run from power. |
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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.17 11:44:00 -
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[quote=Vyzion Eyri] ....utopia is impossible. There will always be one who takes control of the chaos. Whether it's a corporation or a small group, someone has to pay your terrorists. And those who pay immortal clones to do their bidding obviously have an agenda. If they go blow **** up just for the hell of it, the future will be bleak and biomass shortages will turn immortals into impossibly expensive assets..... [quote]
Excellent post Vyzion. Thats what I mean. I believe the future of EVE lies in the rising of player corporations. I think that is the next step we are heading towards. An empire is to large and unwieldy to deal with something like Immortal Terrorism. However, player corporations are small enough to prevent the need to fund mass murder to make a point. |
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iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:24:00 -
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Cpt Murd0ck wrote:Guys it would actully be very easy to stop a merc...
All you have to do is keep him/her alive.
and to stop any suicide attempts you would use a null collar (see eve lore).
simple.
This could obviously be countered by a self destruct device embedded in the merc. although he would need a squad mate to activate it.
Or just shut down the fluid routers that allow for clone jumping.
The empires control this technology. Its pretty silly that empire space would ever be in threat.
CCP are breaking the fourth wall by implimenting any kind of take over of empire space. Simply because the empires are supposed to be trillions of people with unlimited supplys of star ships and resources, most of which arn't represented in the game. Another example: Interbus are supposed to be the universes largest logistics carrier. So big they have thier own star system, so, when was the last time a player ever saw an interbus transport...
Never.
Because they don't exist ingame.
Yes the Players will take over empire space and conquer thier hypothetical non-existant space navys that only exist in militia space as the extension of another game system.
I like the NPCs, I like the back story. Its immersive. Letting players rule empire is just license to have a wonderful piece of game art defaced by the first guy who calls Jita 4/4 ***** STATION or XXXX (enemy of station owner) leks hurd bum secks.
Giving players total control is a nice idea on paper, but ultimately it will muddy the "complete sci fi" experience. As you know from these forums, many people consider themselves game players, but look down on people who enjoy sci-fi and fantasy experience as nerds/geeks/basement dwellers, so therefore giving control to players will destroy immersion because this "gamer class" with thier own reticence to participate in the backstory or keeping the lore intact would rather call a station something rediculious rather than some lorey (which they consider silly anyway). |
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Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:01:00 -
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Long but excellent point iceyburnz. However depending on the clone transfer technology, as others have said, Pandora's box may well and truly be open from a real Lore perspective. That transport company may control entire star systems, but how long would they stay in buisness with daily attacks on their space stations, space ports,employees and their families, their distrubution hubs, their corporate events, their headquarters. Every time they air a commercial a terrorist attacks the studio who aired it making companies pull their adds, attacking large clients to pull their sponsorship.
Large companies have to much visibility to withstand the kind of hurt that a small guerilla operation with little fear of reprisal can put on them.
I also agree with you that a player driven game would be amazing, but lore breaking. However I have played Shadowbane and that was all player driven, and it was still... really fun. There were some good elements for lore there as well. |
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