Which actively updating mmo isn't?

Which actively updating mmo isn't?

Which actively updating mmo isn't?

What part of this game is Massive Multiplayer Online?

All I see are low pop games you can find in any FPS.

So the only non-beta mmo is a dead mmo?

Which actively updating mmo isn't?

Um I've never seen an mmo "release" with classes that have skills for weapons that won't be in the game for 6 months.

I've never seen a "release" with only 50% of it's main classes released. GW2 didn't come out with only 3 races, THAT was beta.

In fact I was in the eve online beta and they didn't release untill the races ships were at least even and sorta flushed out. We don't have minatar or amar turrets or tanks... whats up with that...

Also I've never seen an mmo come out on release with broken features just sitting in the middle of the main lobby. Map table....

Which actively updating mmo isn't?

Monk and Death Knight where not in world of warcraft at launch, Many races are still missing classes even today after 10 years.

Horde had 0 paladins at launch, Allaince had no Shamans at launch.

16 on 16 with some pretty basic graphics and weapons is hardly a place to say you're so cutting-edge it's gotta break. What's likely breaking this game is the absolutely slavish devotion to diversity for diversity's sake. Other game houses charge you $60 or so for something that works, and they stake their success at that price point on just that. CCP has pushed out a cleverly packaged promise of future functionality while delivering mediocrity of epic proportions. If it weren't for all the "let's play pretend" bits and collectibles fever, this game would be roundly denounced for what it is: Battlefield 1943 lite(tm).

That's completly different and you know it.

Warrior bonus to swords, oh cool where are swords? Oh sorry swords won't be coming out for 6 months please don't use that class.

Monk and Death Knight where not in world of warcraft at launch, Many races are still missing classes even today after 10 years.

Horde had 0 paladins at launch, Allaince had no Shamans at launch.

Warriors can dual wield pole arms now they been in world of warcraft for some time.

Monk and Death Knight were never planned on. They were expansions you first had to buy, cept monk.

and the seperation of two classes were meant to inspire people to chose one side or another for 'em. Later changed because of QQing. What is Dust doing that's comparable to that? Oh - by not releasing half the content at launch. Makes sense...

So what? What does that have to do with releasing a game with bonuses that effect weapons that aren't out?

Well at least its not like The Old Republic at 2 billion USD and it flopped into a F2P model.

Which actively updating mmo isn't?

Death Knights where planned for very early on.

So you're comparing DK's to the half ass job CCP has done with Heavies and other clases? I didn't know Blizzard launched there game with half there classes talent trees working and half there armor.

"How is it like half the talent tree is gone?" The armor in Dust defines you. Don't give us the armor? Limits us.

Isn't it?

So is EVE.

Well at least its not like The Old Republic at 2 billion USD and it flopped into a F2P model.

So many people confuse constant expansion with a constant Beta.
Beta means you haven't finished the basic platform and functionality of your product.


So if you don't have a complete set of dropsuits and weapons that points to beta.

If your vehicle mechanics are still broken, that points to beta.

If you have never managed to balance weapons, especially if that is due to not having all your basic content out yet, that points to beta.

If your shooter mechanics aren't up to par, that points to beta.

If your servers and network mechanics still cause frame rate and hit detection problems, that points to beta.

You are out of beta when the core experience is complete and performance is robust.
After that you can expand on the experience. Until then you are still in beta in reality if not in name.

We are all aware that DUST was launched prematurely.

So is EVE.

My world of warcraft server population playing cocurrent is about 2k.

About the same as the whole of dust then

Actually a third and by technicalities an average a tenth.

Isn't it?

If you give everyone a complete respec, that points to beta.

If you offer an additional complete respec a few weeks later that screams beta.

CCP completely reworked the skill tree one week before "release" which didn't give us long enough to beta test it and leave time to fix issues.

We are still seeing huge balance changes such as the 10% weapons buff and the huge HP increases for (most) vehicles. That means we lack the stability required to be out of beta.

Now that's not to say you can't release an unfinished product. I've been in IT for over 25 years and I've seen plenty of projects that turn their customers into unwitting beta testers due to an inability or unwillingness to complete the project.

There may be business reasons for slapping a "Released" banner on a beta, and we can debate the wisdom of those reasons, but it doesn't change the facts. Either you meet the requirements be out of beta or you don't

You might fool the uninformed, but the player base is living this game and cannot help but be extremely aware of its state.

Um I've never seen an mmo "release" with classes that have skills for weapons that won't be in the game for 6 months.
*heavy suit gets bonus to heavy lasers! oh wait THOSE AREN'T IN THE GAME"

I've never seen a "release" with only 50% of it's main classes released. GW2 didn't come out with only 3 races, THAT was beta.

In fact I was in the eve online beta and they didn't release untill the races ships were at least even and sorta flushed out. We don't have minatar or amar turrets or tanks... whats up with that...

Also I've never seen an mmo come out on release with broken features just sitting in the middle of the main lobby. Map table....


Eve online did not release with a lack of weapon systems the core of the game was in place and done. CCP had a year to flush it out and FAILED. Now they need to scramble to save the game in the next few months becuase it's obvious, painfully, this game is a work in progress. I've been supporting CCP for over 10 years I believe they can do it, but I believe they can lack focus at times.

People JOKE about eve online being in beta for 10 years, but it hasn't been, it was in a beta untill release, and it was expanded apon. Dust doesn't even have the simple core done.

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Actually a third and by technicalities an average a tenth.

Well at least its not like The Old Republic at 2 billion USD and it flopped into a F2P model.

Death Knights where planned for very early on.

I think YOU should be on the CPM

Admitting dust needs to make a break for it and go full speed towards not being in beta is important.

The years add up, do they not?
Okay now let's say CCP signed a 30, now i think 60 year contract with Sony.
Well if you know anything at all about hardware & tech.
You'd know that the PS3 is hard to make games for.
Now it's either you're unappreciative, which most people who get free stuff ARE, or the lack of common sense has distorted your minds.
Okay so if i just signed a 60 year contract with Sony, where would most of my attention be?
I mean especially cause PS4 is basically a computer. (& On it's way!)
Able to run games so much smoother,easier to code for, with a higher FR than PS3 could handle.
Would your attention be on PS3 or PS4?
Would you be thinking about the Present or the Future?
With all the limitations PS3 has it's no wonder this game would still be considered beta to you people.
Take a while to critique the whole game, because your right it may not be finished.
It may be that their running tests on PS3 to see how people like it, so that when it Launches on PS4 it'll all be worth that wait for an exhilarating game.(Probably with completely new mechanics to it as well)
Such as wall covering mechanics, huge maps, close to no lag(if any),destructive walls,completely revamped visuals/gameplay,
ETC.
Now i'm not going to take part in your lifelessness, & complain about everything with this game.
Instead i'll clearly say, it does need some improvement. But at the cost of it not being fully capable on PS4?
Think about it, all the time you make them spend working on a PS3 bs version. That's less time to work on PS4.
Dust has way to much going on in it, for it to run smoothly. (My Opinion)
So if you don't like it, then instead of bashing the game. Why don't you people offer idea's so that they can implement them on the PS4 version.
Now think about this, & take it as your first ever Eye Opener on how the world works.
If not then.. It's okay, keep forcing them eyelids open like you know it all.
But people without stupiditiy in their veins know your just wearing Eye Speculums, to keep a closed eye open..

The years add up, do they not?
Okay now let's say CCP signed a 30, now i think 60 year contract with Sony.
Well if you know anything at all about hardware & tech.
You'd know that the PS3 is hard to make games for.
Now it's either you're unappreciative, which most people who get free stuff ARE, or the lack of common sense has distorted your minds.
Okay so if i just signed a 60 year contract with Sony, where would most of my attention be?
I mean especially cause PS4 is basically a computer. (& On it's way!)
Able to run games so much smoother,easier to code for, with a higher FR than PS3 could handle.
Would your attention be on PS3 or PS4?
Would you be thinking about the Present or the Future?
With all the limitations PS3 has it's no wonder this game would still be considered beta to you people.
Take a while to critique the whole game, because your right it may not be finished.
It may be that their running tests on PS3 to see how people like it, so that when it Launches on PS4 it'll all be worth that wait for an exhilarating game.(Probably with completely new mechanics to it as well)
Such as wall covering mechanics, huge maps, close to no lag(if any),destructive walls,completely revamped visuals/gameplay,
ETC.
Now i'm not going to take part in your lifelessness, & complain about everything with this game.
Instead i'll clearly say, it does need some improvement. But at the cost of it not being fully capable on PS4?
Think about it, all the time you make them spend working on a PS3 bs version. That's less time to work on PS4.
Dust has way to much going on in it, for it to run smoothly. (My Opinion)
So if you don't like it, then instead of bashing the game. Why don't you people offer idea's so that they can implement them on the PS4 version.
Now think about this, & take it as your first ever Eye Opener on how the world works.
If not then.. It's okay, keep forcing them eyelids open like you know it all.
But people without stupiditiy in their veins know your just wearing Eye Speculums, to keep a closed eye open..

You seem to be saying that CCP released a beta product to the masses as a finished product because they are too busy working on a PS4 version.

If they were working on a PS4 version that would still not be a reason to rush the PS3 version before it was ready.

But, game balance and skill trees are not a coding problem, they are basic game design issues. It would be the same on the PS4.

Finally, CCP must assume the majority of players won't buy a PS4 for at least another year, meaning they will need to support a PS3 client for at least two. The logic in shorting PS3 development for a two year PS4 launch is completely lacking.

I'm talking in game lag issues here, not skill tree's. That's everyone's fault for not learning how to reading properly

Man, they really got to you, didn't they? So, we're to believe that instead of this being a case where CCP thought and said they could deliver more than they have, while hyping it through the roof and charging money to people who wanted to advance in the current product (not to mention those who just put in hour after hour of uncompensated beta-testing), it's really just a way to get us hooked on a pre-abandoned project to entice us to shell out again on an unreleased platform a game that will be utterly unlike what has even been promised to date?

Wow.

Trees is pluralized without an apostrophe, "how to reading" is an incorrect construction. Do not criticize reading with such poor writing.

Trees is pluralized without an apostrophe, "how to reading" is an incorrect construction. Do not criticize reading with such poor writing.

No it will be the same game with different mechanics & visuals. Same weapons & all that.
Exactly who got to me? Sony? The PS4? Or CCP signing a 30+ year contract with Sony?
Because first of all Sony had to pull some strings to Stream this game on PS3.
Second Sony just bought Gaikai for the PS4 & that's for advanced streaming of games.
Now think for a second, business is business right?

Good luck with that lawsuit btw.

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Which actively updating mmo isn't?

The protests of DUST being fine need to stop and we need to create a focus for CCP to work on and deliver QUICKLY; maps, game modes, systems like capacitor, weapons, command mode, player dropped installations, player markets, heavier PI, more vehicles and dropsuits. And thats just a basic list.

PS4 is not the reason DUST is the way it is. Dust is made for PS3 to be ported later when its feature complete. Abandoning a solidly established platform in favor of a maybe is stupid and obviously false.

DUST is in alpha stage. It isn't feature complete, (aka, in a state where it would be totally fine and fun to play for extended periods of time if development were to stop.) It lacks a huge roster of the things that were integral to the original vision for DUST.

The protests of DUST being fine need to stop and we need to create a focus for CCP to work on and deliver QUICKLY; maps, game modes, systems like capacitor, weapons, command mode, player dropped installations, player markets, heavier PI, more vehicles and dropsuits. And thats just a basic list.

Wow, and the lag is getting FIERCE out there... wear a jacket.

Honestly, the OP's point is obvious and didn't need to turned into a post, much less a four page thread.

The testers (players) and the devs are both intimately aware of the incomplete and unbalanced nature of the game. DUST should still be in closed beta based on the fundamental changes happening.

But that's not a decision that developers get to make and it's certainly not a decision we testers get to make. It's a marketing decision and for better or worse it's been made.

Complaining about it isn't productive. The devs are fully aware so threadnoughts aren't necessary. What they need is time and our understanding assistance to get this thing into some semblance of release shape before the critics and general public write it off as a failure.

In my own small corner of the game I've been doing what I could for dropships. The thing is I realized this was a part of the game that is months out from full realization. There are fundamental changes that need to take place before the game needs dropships. Therefore I have changed my approach from pushing for fast fixes to one of waiting for CCP to define the dropship's mission before trying to help them realize the best vehicle for that mission. Trying to cobble together makework missions isn't the answer becasue it won't be connected to the heart of the game.

Getting hateful and impatient won't help piloting and could end up turning dropships into something they shouldn't be. I think the ADS is a prime example of a short term fix that steers the DS away from being a team tool and toward solo play. I think this happened because the team oriented missions aren't realized yet and CCP Blam wanted to give us something we could use now.

The years add up, do they not?
Okay now let's say CCP signed a 30, now i think 60 year contract with Sony.
Well if you know anything at all about hardware & tech.
You'd know that the PS3 is hard to make games for.
Now it's either you're unappreciative, which most people who get free stuff ARE, or the lack of common sense has distorted your minds.
Okay so if i just signed a 60 year contract with Sony, where would most of my attention be?
I mean especially cause PS4 is basically a computer. (& On it's way!)
Able to run games so much smoother,easier to code for, with a higher FR than PS3 could handle.
Would your attention be on PS3 or PS4?
Would you be thinking about the Present or the Future?
With all the limitations PS3 has it's no wonder this game would still be considered beta to you people.
Take a while to critique the whole game, because your right it may not be finished.
It may be that their running tests on PS3 to see how people like it, so that when it Launches on PS4 it'll all be worth that wait for an exhilarating game.(Probably with completely new mechanics to it as well)
Such as wall covering mechanics, huge maps, close to no lag(if any),destructive walls,completely revamped visuals/gameplay,
ETC.
Now i'm not going to take part in your lifelessness, & complain about everything with this game.
Instead i'll clearly say, it does need some improvement. But at the cost of it not being fully capable on PS4?
Think about it, all the time you make them spend working on a PS3 bs version. That's less time to work on PS4.
Dust has way to much going on in it, for it to run smoothly. (My Opinion)
So if you don't like it, then instead of bashing the game. Why don't you people offer idea's so that they can implement them on the PS4 version.
Now think about this, & take it as your first ever Eye Opener on how the world works.
If not then.. It's okay, keep forcing them eyelids open like you know it all.
But people without stupiditiy in their veins know your just wearing Eye Speculums, to keep a closed eye open..

Um I've never seen an mmo "release" with classes that have skills for weapons that won't be in the game for 6 months.
*heavy suit gets bonus to heavy lasers! oh wait THOSE AREN'T IN THE GAME"

I've never seen a "release" with only 50% of it's main classes released. GW2 didn't come out with only 3 races, THAT was beta.

In fact I was in the eve online beta and they didn't release untill the races ships were at least even and sorta flushed out. We don't have minatar or amar turrets or tanks... whats up with that...

Also I've never seen an mmo come out on release with broken features just sitting in the middle of the main lobby. Map table....


Eve online did not release with a lack of weapon systems the core of the game was in place and done. CCP had a year to flush it out and FAILED. Now they need to scramble to save the game in the next few months becuase it's obvious, painfully, this game is a work in progress. I've been supporting CCP for over 10 years I believe they can do it, but I believe they can lack focus at times.

People JOKE about eve online being in beta for 10 years, but it hasn't been, it was in a beta untill release, and it was expanded apon. Dust doesn't even have the simple core done.

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