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Rorschach Mustang
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.16 11:57:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Rorschach Mustang wrote: Dust is NO like EVE
Dust will NEVER by like EVE.
In some respects, you're right. In others, you aren't. In EVE Online, you're not exactly discouraged to lie, cheat and steal your way to the top. Espionage is also a great way to make money, as well as betraying your friends. Politics is rife in New Eden, in most other games it usually comes down to "I hate that guy, he's now my enemy". In New Eden, it's not about personal relationships. In New Eden, you take territory because it's good business. You make people compete because YOU want to make money, and to do so, you undercut your competition's prices. It will be the same in DUST. You don't go to war with any corporation or alliance because you have a personal grudge; you'll do it because it makes good business sense. You don't launch attacks on the same districts over and over again, because you won't be able to afford to keep up that kind of effort. Sure, the gameplay isn't exactly the same, but the principle behind both games, the idea which both games are drawn from, is that you, as a player, have the ultimate freedom to decide your OWN fate and to make your own storyline.
My biggest issue is that in EVE you have numerous ways to make money without the fear of losing your own by someone killing you. That's what high sec is for. Newbies get plenty of time to acclimate themselves to the game and don't even have to PVP if they don't want to. No such luck in Dust. There's no crafting, no PVE (yet) so newbies get slaughtered in the pub matches by guys in Proto.
CCP should ban Proto from pub matches to give these guys a fighting chance. If I'm not mistaken, proto is banned from some PVP areas in EVE so why isn't that the case in Dust? |
Rorschach Mustang
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:06:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:jesus.
vage much?
you got your facts all twisted.
ps4, son. ps4. not ps3. desinty is on ps4. planetside 2? you guys are having trouble with this. how you gonna play a game that is even bigger? unless it's just a big watered down version of cod, which would make sense.
other then that, might i suggest:
decaf
Peace B
CCP will eventually have to move this to PS4 if they want it to survive. That or PC so my point still stands that it will have competition in a year from now.
Planetside 2 also will run better on the PS3 because it's not using the Unreal 3 engine which has always had problems on the PS3. Dust can barely get a 24 person match going without lag. We've had bigger matches from other games like MAG, Warhawk, and Starhawk. This isn't the PS3's fault. Well it kinda is, but that's because of the terrible Unreal 3 implementation. So I think Planetside 2 will run much better than Dust ever will solely on engine choice.
That calmer for you? :)
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Ridoc FC
Blauhelme Orion Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:13:00 -
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ALM1GHTY B44L R00 wrote:CCP really needs to do a better job bringing new players into the fold.
This guy was reviewing the game for a major online MMO news/review site, and didn't even join any squads or try getting together with a corporation. Imagine how lost a MMO newb would feel.
+1
With the new Academy i guess it will be better .. but still a lot to do |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1058
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:14:00 -
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I wasted time reading an review by a person who ran solo, didnt try to group up, didnt use a mic and complained about 'its too hard to understand' and didnt even try to get into the game tbh
The guy is a ******* dumbass, how the **** do these ppl get jobs writing reviews? |
Rorschach Mustang
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:21:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:I wasted time reading an review by a person who ran solo, didnt try to group up, didnt use a mic and complained about 'its too hard to understand' and didnt even try to get into the game tbh
The guy is a ******* dumbass, how the **** do these ppl get jobs writing reviews? I wasted time reading an comment from a person who offers no suggestions to new players, dismisses any criticism about the game, wasn't courteous, and complained about newbies not being able to understand the game and didn't even try to sympathize tbh
This guy is a ******* dumbass, how the **** do these ppl become such obnoxious assholes? |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1059
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:24:00 -
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Rorschach Mustang wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:I wasted time reading an review by a person who ran solo, didnt try to group up, didnt use a mic and complained about 'its too hard to understand' and didnt even try to get into the game tbh
The guy is a ******* dumbass, how the **** do these ppl get jobs writing reviews? I wasted time reading an comment from a person who offers no suggestions to new players, dismisses any criticism about the game, wasn't courteous, and complained about newbies not being able to understand the game and didn't even try to sympathize tbh This guy is a ******* dumbass, how the **** do these ppl become such obnoxious assholes?
Did i just write a review about the launch of the game?
No
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Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
150
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:26:00 -
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At the bery least, he did highlight that that is NOT an MMOFPS... I play an MMOFPS. It's called Planetside 2, and it does MMO SO much better. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
518
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:31:00 -
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Rorschach Mustang wrote: CCP will eventually have to move this to PS4 if they want it to survive. That or PC so my point still stands that it will have competition in a year from now.
Right, addressing all your comments in the same post. First things first, your concern about proto suits. The instant battle academy helps to address those concerns. As for the "proto" gear banned in some places of EVE, you're talking about supercapitals in highsec. Yes. That's more so that there's actually some risk to having one, so that you can't b're deuild a capital in highsec and then take it into lowsec. The best way to learn is by being thrown in at the deep end. I actually relish fighting against those in proto suits, simply because it forces me to adapt and grow as a player.
Second one... As I've said before, there are rumors they're developing on the Unreal 4, and porting to the Unreal 3. Unreal 4 is used for PS4. Concern addressed?
Third one. The guy who reviewed on Joystiq claims he plays EVE, where the skill system is possibly more convoluted than in DUST, and yet he complains that the skill system is complex. There's some inconsistency there. |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
936
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:31:00 -
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Garrett Whetshaft wrote: "He has also covered EverQuest II and Darkfall at length..."
Future potential tied to EVE Online <<<-----why is this a CON?
Good point on the author.
However, one very good reason to be concerned about the longevity of EVE is...
Star Citizen
- Dogfighting
- Avatar-based Gameplay
- Null-sec is NULL, not NAP
- Small Gang PVP, not Capital Blobs
- Aliens
- Designed to support both Tryhards and Carebears
- Actual Exploration - Discover new systems, name them, get paid.
I'm not saying that EVE is going anywhere anytime soon, but CCP is going to have to seriously up its game and do a lot of MAJOR redesign once this drops.
Heck, Star Citizen is releasing its version of Captains Quarters this summer. The dogfighting alpha (EVR for the rest of us) is set to come out in December. The single-player campaign is due out next summer, with the full persistent world coming out next December.
I want New Eden to succeed, but I'm not seeing much movement from CCP on fixing the above points before December of 2014. Doing so would require smacking down the NAP Mafia and ignoring their whining (and subsequent Jita riots) to get the job done. |
KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire
458
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:45:00 -
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Garrett Whetshaft wrote:Future potential tied to EVE Online <<<-----why is this a CON? Seriously?
Think scams, pirates, betrayal and all the more entertaining aspects of a game that embraces the worst of man as the basis for their entire existence. And its all for the lulz including the destruction of anything that isn't theirs.
While i have met some really good people here that also play EVE this is the only place I have ever met a good person that plays EVE. And not every EVE player I have met here warrants that description.
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Aran Abbas
Goonfeet
27
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:50:00 -
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Fair review. He has to judge the game for what it is now, as opposed to what it has the potential to become. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
7
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:57:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:the guy's a moron
he has trouble understanding the skill system even after it was dumbed down.
not much more you can do other then draw pictures with crayons to help explain it for folks like that.
Peace B
And how many more new players will do the same and forget this game? The above mentality is why this game will suffer and go away just like EVE is no more than an ever shrinking core group of elitist snobs. CCP has not been able to increase their player base yet in any permenant way. They need to worry about potential customers like the reviewer. |
Rorschach Mustang
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
12
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:05:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Rorschach Mustang wrote: CCP will eventually have to move this to PS4 if they want it to survive. That or PC so my point still stands that it will have competition in a year from now.
Right, addressing all your comments in the same post. First things first, your concern about proto suits. The instant battle academy helps to address those concerns. As for the "proto" gear banned in some places of EVE, you're talking about supercapitals in highsec. Yes. That's more so that there's actually some risk to having one, so that you can't b're deuild a capital in highsec and then take it into lowsec. The best way to learn is by being thrown in at the deep end. I actually relish fighting against those in proto suits, simply because it forces me to adapt and grow as a player. Second one... As I've said before, there are rumors they're developing on the Unreal 4, and porting to the Unreal 3. Unreal 4 is used for PS4. Concern addressed? Third one. The guy who reviewed on Joystiq claims he plays EVE, where the skill system is possibly more convoluted than in DUST, and yet he complains that the skill system is complex. There's some inconsistency there. Thanks for that clarification. I really hope CCP moves away from strictly Unreal 3 as that engine really is terrible on the PS3.
While the academy helps, i hear that the WP cap is really low so it doesn't help that much.
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BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
241
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:25:00 -
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"And how many more new players will do the same and forget this game? The above mentality is why this game will suffer and go away just like EVE is no more than an ever shrinking core group of elitist snobs. CCP has not been able to increase their player base yet in any permenant way. They need to worry about potential customers like the reviewer."
that's a whole lotta words just to say
"CCP have to protect dummies"
Peace B |
Operative 1171 Aajli
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
9
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:31:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:"And how many more new players will do the same and forget this game? The above mentality is why this game will suffer and go away just like EVE is no more than an ever shrinking core group of elitist snobs. CCP has not been able to increase their player base yet in any permenant way. They need to worry about potential customers like the reviewer."
that's a whole lotta words just to say
"CCP have to protect dummies"
Peace B
Those "dummies" mean the difference between CCP continuing to worry about developing this game or not. New player not finding this game compelling enough to figure out the needless skill tree does not equal dummy. It equals less players sticking around to support it. You elitist pigs should be concerned. Where will you fluff you ego then?
Yep, CCP does something and the fanboys come running to defend it by claiming all others are inferior to them. EVE is sinking slowly due to that problem. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
241
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:32:00 -
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why are you explaning gaming history to me on ps3?
i've been gaming since gaming started.
don't bring up mag it didn't work
when it did, you guys couldn't play it. it was the EXACT same thing as what's going on over here. you guys hid in suppression. svers maps were too hard for you. domination was too hard. they didn't allow clans forever because they knew the casuals would get mauled.
i say this because i see your clan tags under your name and realize you're probably one of the casuals who's having a hard time over here.
514 in it's current form won't be around long enough to be on ps4. destiny will kill it along with everything else. or worse... lack of microtransactions alone based on the fact that the player count currently holds at a number that was bottom of the barrel back when mag started. it took mag a while to get down to a player count that 514 currently has. if they don't figure things out and get some income this thing ain't gonna go much further.
Peace B |
Operative 1171 Aajli
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
9
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:34:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:I wasted time reading an review by a person who ran solo, didnt try to group up, didnt use a mic and complained about 'its too hard to understand' and didnt even try to get into the game tbh
The guy is a ******* dumbass, how the **** do these ppl get jobs writing reviews?
So people are just supposed to jump right in and understand all that or CCP's intent on how to play?
You so smart! Have my Chitlins. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
518
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:40:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:
So people are just supposed to jump right in and understand all that or CCP's intent on how to play?
You so smart! Have my Chitlins.
Point is he didn't try. He criticised the DUST 514 skill tree, despite him having played EVE Online, saying that the DUST skill tree was too complicated.
As they are very similar, I find that fairly deceitful. There are other inconsistencies in his account, and it points towards not really investing much time in the game. |
Mobias Wyvern
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2013.07.06 04:51:00 -
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Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........
Planetside 2
Coming to PS4 this year
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