No bad idea.

I dont want people just spending money to spec into the FOTM (Flavour/fit you choose).

Makes the whole point of 'Your actions have consquences' go to waste.

This is a game. Screw the whole "Your actions have consequences" arguement. That is for the real world not a fictional one being played for ENJOYMENT. Who cares if someone wants to spend cash to respec? What if they are bored? What's it to you?

That part brings enjoyment for a portion of the playerbase, and i for one DO care if the skillsystem becomes obsolete because some people take issue with a designated core aspect of the game. Your views and opinions on that matter are as subjective as everyone else's. Please try not to reject the other side of the debate just because you feel like it,

I would make it at least $5 or 10000 AUR. 1/4 of the Merc Pack AUR

1 reset, each year, just like EvE's attribute remap. Free or AUR, who really cares...

When players get bored of the same role, they'll eventually just quit. Then, you'll have less than a handful of players left. If a player doesn't want to respect, they don't have to. If a player does want to respect, they should have that choice. I wouldn't presume to be that selfish and deny another the ability to respect and try something new so they can keep the game fresh simply because I'm afraid they'd become OP. It sounds like a of players are simply afraid of others. Reject a readily available respec if you're afraid of others.

The "you're actions have consequences" statement from the Dust video are not about the positives and negatives of a respec, they were about how one person can change the EVE universe based on the decisions they make.

Pretty simple answer:

make it .50 cents to 1.00 in aurum for respec.
then let em respec themselves to death.


problem solved.

Peace
B

Since some people don't want respecs, I hope CCP changes their minds and doesn't offer the respec they mentioned to occur soon, no matter what. If people don't want others to be able to respec then no one should ever be able too, no matter if it's a mistake from CCP or if a player put skills into a useless weapon or suit not realizing it couldn't compete in the game.

Give players that want no respecs what they want, no respecs, including the upcoming.

I think they should just reset all the players. I would be fine with everyone getting a full reset. We won't have to worry about respecs for a while then.

Please continue to suggest ways to implement new and exciting pay-to-win content.
Please.

That is pay to win.

This is a game. Screw the whole "Your actions have consequences" arguement. That is for the real world not a fictional one being played for ENJOYMENT. Who cares if someone wants to spend cash to respec? What if they are bored? What's it to you?

Its BASSMENT. Doubt he's into the whole pay to win. One can say Boosters is "pay to win" Don't let me open that can of worms. But to string words together is still not explaining the negative of having optional respec. All it is and all I hear is "cause thats not the "core" of EVE... um dust." RIIIIIGHT... This place is divided as to what "Core" this game should have. So before any mmo grinding loving fanboys jump and speak for everyone, REMEMBER there are FPS Fan boys on here too.

While in a more eloquent manner, you did the same thing i criticized the other poster for. Don't assume that everyone gets bored and automatically develops the need for a respec just because you can understand this notion. Don't assume that only a handfull of players embraces a "no respec" policy because you disagree with them. There are many minds here and not all of them are shaped like yours.

You imply that argueing against "free" (in terms of no extreme conditions required) respecs is "selfish". Maybe it is. But did you think about those who specifically like that aspect of the game? Aren't the promoters of "free" respecs the ones who want to change an important aspect of the game in a way that nullifies its sole purpose. How is the term "selfish" helpfull here?

Everyone can try everything for no/a pretty minor cost in SP. Use militia or put a single skill in whatever you want to try. By the time you're accostumed to it you'll have enough SP to improve on it. I did it numerous times and the few percent in effectiveness rarely make a noticeable impact.

Lastly what are you even trying to achieve with the OP argument? Some posters point out and object known consequences of "free" respecs. Calling it "fear" is a strawman until you prove that's the prime motivation, not just insinuate it. And even then it does nothing to the argument itself.

1. the "consequences" issue is moot. no FF = no consequences. don't lean on that. you'll tip. you want consequences? ditch the redline... add v2k... turn on FF for ALL modes... etc. this isn't about that. and consequences ain't gonna happen. ok ill give ya this, but in the meta: first PC where the orbital takes out 2 enemies and 6 friendlies... THEN you guys will get your consequences. the end result... a lotta bichin up and quittin the clan.

2. CCP needs to make money. many people seem to be incompetent at simple math and basic reading. add the 2 together. 50 cents to a buck per respec should get them a couple grand a week based on laziness alone.

3. i have never spent a dime. it's not pay to win. that's all excuses, too. life isn't fair. ruck up and deal or move on. or stay quiet and just grind til you are the same imbalanced protoad you are being beaten up by.


if the devs are gonna fix these ***** salad sandwich, they need income. only real income i see right now is dollars for respecs.

sorry if that bunches up some folks but you gotta do something here. 5k players ain't gonna cut it.


and flavor of the month?
all you guys DO is make stupid memes that folks forget 2 weeks later. the whole damn game is flavor of the month til GTAV comes out and everyone bails anyway. CCP may as well make a buck-three-eighty or so over the summer. might keep the devs devving a lil longer. might help the game unsuck.

and i'm not askin for me. i'm not respeccing.

Peace
B

Actually, it's just like you said.
Life isn't fair.
Ruck up and deal with it.

Pretty concise. Take your mis-allocated SP as a learning experience and move on.

Spending aurum for a respec is not "free" as you so put it. And, extreme is a subjective term. For some people, spending aurum is extreme. The important aspects of the game are also highly opinionated. Important aspects of the game change for players. For some of us the most important aspect is being able to fill a role and change that role when the team needs. For some the important aspects are different. Allowing respecs gives both sides the opportunity to play as they choose. I'd choose to allow them to make their own decision. Respec if you want to change roles, don't respec if you are content with your skill allocation.

The statement of "flavor of the month" which is an argument common to respec threads be it a change in suits or equipment is an implication of fear as that is directly pointing to something that could be OP. This is fear of the possibility of a once not OP player becoming OP which leads to the possibility of a multitude of players becoming OP. Players will always find ways of being OP, respecs or not. To not mention the introduction of OP weapons or other equipment is to ignore others' concerns that have mentioned that they're worried others can respec into arguably OP weapons.

Your assumption that I assume everybody gets bored is incorrect. My original statement was "when players get bored" not "all players get bored." There is a definite difference between those statements. Semantic arguments aren't important, however but since you misinterpreted my statement, I must clarify. Some players will get bored and they will quit. By stating that a handful remain is implication that not all players will bet bored and quit. I use "handful" as Dust has a small player base as it stands. I hope I didn't miss anything. I tried to touch on all your aforementioned concerns about respecs.

and flavor of the month?
all you guys DO is make stupid memes that folks forget 2 weeks later. the whole damn game is flavor of the month til GTAV comes out and everyone bails anyway. CCP may as well make a buck-three-eighty or so over the summer. might keep the devs devving a lil longer. might help the game unsuck.

This is a game. Screw the whole "Your actions have consequences" arguement. That is for the real world not a fictional one being played for ENJOYMENT. Who cares if someone wants to spend cash to respec? What if they are bored? What's it to you?

No bad idea.

I dont want people just spending money to spec into the FOTM (Flavour/fit you choose).

Makes the whole point of 'Your actions have consquences' go to waste.

^

Please explain to me how that is pay to win.

Paying for a respec isn't pay to win, you're not exactly earning anything from respeccing. You're not earning any more SP or gear from doing so, nor are you gaining a significant upper hand over others.

Personally, I'm not that big on respecs in DUST/EVE, but with the coming of Uprising and the handful of botched skills CCP released I can see the reason to allow some respecs until CCP gets the skills and everything locked down.

"The respecs should be free and unrestricted"

no.
they should not.

the game is free.


your mistakes cost you.

pay the man.

Peace
B

*sigh*

Why are we still talking about this?

I know CCP can make money off of this, but this idea has been talked about for at least since PLEX was introduced in Eve and even then the majority of the player base didn't want it.

No, I don't want it. It doesn't belong in DUST. It screams pay-to-win.

If u dont care, why bother posting? let me guess, you are female

If u dont care, why bother posting? let me guess, you are female

I'm not a girl. Even then, what does that have to do with this discussion? Is that the best rebuttal you can come up with?

make it .50 cents to 1.00 in aurum for respec.
then let em respec themselves to death.

You are thinking of Borderlands. DUST is not that game.

While in Borderlands(1 & 2) a cheap respec will allow one to tweak the hell out of your setup for a particular boss battle or to fight some specific enemies that is not consistent with New Eden, EVE nor current DUST setups.

You would have equipment in your inventory that you could not use. You could switch the 6M SP required for tanks to Logi Bro. Or switch the 4M Logi Bro SP to buff you your tank skills for a PC/FW battle.

Also consider that the entire system would have to be reworked. Now recall how the user experience has degraded from Chromosome to Uprising. What are the chances of it working out ... for the players?

The problem is solved only if you don't actually consider the consequences, the amount of effort to implement it nor the long term effects on game play. This is the normal easy solution that the web produces every minute of everyday regarding virtually any problem.

Nice try but a solid whoosh.

Not if it is free. How is this pay to win?

The respecs should be free and unrestricted. We should have an ingame mechanic for it so CCP would not have to deal with it at all. Upon respec SP would be refunded except corp related SP. No skill book refund would take place. Frequent respecers would go broke.

I believe this alone would resolve the problem. It would also add playability to the game by spicing things up. A merc could have 15 mil SP but with no ISK to buy books it would feel like leveling up. Every few battles they could purchase skills, weapons, and suits. This would make the sluglike player progression feel like you are getting somewhere.....everyday. Meanwhile they would be leveling up for real. Every one could try things and find out what they like. After spending weeks without all of their SP they would understand the skills and the value of said skills. Plus they may like what they spec into.

The initial respec should, however, include a full refund on skill books. The way people skilled into things was based on game play from Chromosome. Uprising was a slap in the face to anyone who thought non AR weapons were still viable. Weapons and vehicles used the day before were extremely different, as was game play. Tons of mercs felt cheated. I think everyone learned something.

1. CCP "rebalance" things.
2. A particular weapon shows itself to be the new "OP".
3. Everyone with money to burn flocks to the AUR respec and skills into that weapon.

Guess what the non-paying players do?

Your actions have consequence

This isn't pay to win, it's pay to element the concept that whatever choices you make, you have to live with them. Once the skill tree situation is taken care of, I hope we never, ever see another respec again for the sake of preserving that value.

So now its the players faut that imbalances in weapons create FOTMs? So what are you really upset about? That you dont want to respec into something "OP" but that others do? That those others are getting an edge over you because they payed real money to respec to a "broken imbalanced" weapon? Or is it really that you dont want to pay real money to respec? and if the respec were free what then? whats the issue now? There is no gaining of SP of any sorts that anyone has proposed. rather they are reassigning the SP. So whats the real issue hmm? Because there will be people that already specced into that weapon or vehicle, etc. So they get rewarded because of this? no gripes there? it seems like the bigger issue is the imbalance in weapons and game mechanics that allow people to get ahead of others.

So now its the players faut that imbalances in weapons create FOTMs? So what are you really upset about? That you dont want to respec into something "OP" but that others do? That those others are getting an edge over you because they payed real money to respec to a "broken imbalanced" weapon? Or is it really that you dont want to pay real money to respec? and if the respec were free what then? whats the issue now? There is no gaining of SP of any sorts that anyone has proposed. rather they are reassigning the SP. So whats the real issue hmm? Because there will be people that already specced into that weapon or vehicle, etc. So they get rewarded because of this? no gripes there? it seems like the bigger issue is the imbalance in weapons and game mechanics that allow people to get ahead of others.

and for people throwing this around...


where oh please WHERE does that ever say its for character creation? because its not. It has to do with our (the players) ability to shape the world of New Eden. Not that you should be punished or rewarded by your allocation of SP.

The Butterfly Effect

in a nutshell, you play a pub, do well, get accepted into a corp thats part of alliance thats doing PC. you take over planets and help out your eve allies to gain a stronger foothold or to help your faction militia conquer systems, and all of this because of the people you met in your pub games. Please stop using this phrase incorrectly.



EDIT:

I am not AGAINST the respec argument, but im not necessarily for it either. Im just trying to point out what a really complex and in depth skill points system does when weapons are imbalanced, which is the bigger issue. And it seems that others that have made good decisions want the rest of the community to suck it up because if they could do it why cant the rest of them. This is not a good attitude to have.

Listen to your basement dwelling selves.

This is a friggin GAME, a VIDEO GAME.

It's not real life, your New Eden does not exist, except in your sad little minds.

'' if you make a mistake you have to live with it '' lol.............. STFU.

THIS IS A VIDEO GAME, a bad one, but it's still ONLY A GAME.

I'm sure most of the idiots posting on these forums wear Star Trek outfits while typing away in their basements. dreaming about 7 of Nine, and wondering what it'd be like to talk to a real life girl.

Listen to your basement dwelling selves.

This is a friggin GAME, a VIDEO GAME.

It's not real life, your New Eden does not exist, except in your sad little minds.

'' if you make a mistake you have to live with it '' lol.............. STFU.

THIS IS A VIDEO GAME, a bad one, but it's still ONLY A GAME.

I'm sure most of the idiots posting on these forums wear Star Trek outfits while typing away in their basements. dreaming about 7 of Nine, and wondering what it'd be like to talk to a real life girl.

Statements like these are the reason why there's no balance in Dust 514. You play any other game, you play by that game's rules and parameters. You play Dust 514, you have to play by New Eden rules or
I'm seriously disgusted by the amount of unwarranted self entitlement that flood these forums. CCP caters to your ilk, and I have no idea why. You're probably going to leave to once CoD: Ghost, BF4, or whatever watered down FPS comes out, right? You may see my views as elitist or down right snobbish, but I don't care. Crying about the rules of New Eden is the equivalent of trying to move backwards with a pawn in chess.

Pretty simple answer:

make it .50 cents to 1.00 in aurum for respec.
then let em respec themselves to death.

I would make it at least $5 or 10000 AUR. 1/4 of the Merc Pack AUR

The initial post and the above follow-up are actually very good financial suggestions for CCP to substantially increase their revenue stream for this game.

As such, rest assured CCP will most likely NEVER do it. It's a saving face type of thing.

Exactly. CCP will only do it if they ever get bought out by EA. Keep in mind that CCP waved a big middle finger at EA during the recent fanfest when they made a reference to Earth and Beyond.

I'm done with this thread.

I thought you said that you where done with this thread.

And I quote



https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=812512#post812512

hehe, how much time you spend pointing this stuff out? oohhh, ya got him

If the game were perfectly balanced I would say no re-specs. But it's not. So why not offer it for a price. I'm sure CCP could use the money towards dev costs of balancing. I know this could be viewed as P2W but if the game was actually balanced, it would not be. The option to respec would help show what is unbalanced.

Since I have yet to see a good reason to not allow this, I'm willing to gander that all of those against re-specs are Caldari Proto Logi wearin', Tac AR usin' whores who think that because they did the research to find the unbalanced items in the game that anyone who made the mistake of spec'ing into anything else should have to pay. Oh, they will QQ when the nerf bat strikes! And it will. CCP has a nerf bat the size of a cadilac. Look what happened to LR's. Nerfed into non-existence. They should stop listening to forum QQers.