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Chinduko
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:40:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:LongLostLust wrote:Guinevere Bravo wrote:No bad idea.
I dont want people just spending money to spec into the FOTM (Flavour/fit you choose).
Makes the whole point of 'Your actions have consquences' go to waste. This is a game. Screw the whole "Your actions have consequences" arguement. That is for the real world not a fictional one being played for ENJOYMENT. Who cares if someone wants to spend cash to respec? What if they are bored? What's it to you? That part brings enjoyment for a portion of the playerbase, and i for one DO care if the skillsystem becomes obsolete because some people take issue with a designated core aspect of the game. Your views and opinions on that matter are as subjective as everyone else's. Please try not to reject the other side of the debate just because you feel like it,
When players get bored of the same role, they'll eventually just quit. Then, you'll have less than a handful of players left. If a player doesn't want to respect, they don't have to. If a player does want to respect, they should have that choice. I wouldn't presume to be that selfish and deny another the ability to respect and try something new so they can keep the game fresh simply because I'm afraid they'd become OP. It sounds like a of players are simply afraid of others. Reject a readily available respec if you're afraid of others.
The "you're actions have consequences" statement from the Dust video are not about the positives and negatives of a respec, they were about how one person can change the EVE universe based on the decisions they make. |
Chinduko
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:42:00 -
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LongLostLust wrote:I would make it at least $5 or 10000 AUR. 1/4 of the Merc Pack AUR
I would make the charge of respecs proportional to the number of total SP a player has earned. the more SP you have the more you'd have to pay.
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Chinduko
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:07:00 -
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Since some people don't want respecs, I hope CCP changes their minds and doesn't offer the respec they mentioned to occur soon, no matter what. If people don't want others to be able to respec then no one should ever be able too, no matter if it's a mistake from CCP or if a player put skills into a useless weapon or suit not realizing it couldn't compete in the game.
Give players that want no respecs what they want, no respecs, including the upcoming.
I think they should just reset all the players. I would be fine with everyone getting a full reset. We won't have to worry about respecs for a while then. |
Chinduko
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:39:00 -
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Chinduko
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:41:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Chinduko wrote:
When players get bored of the same role, they'll eventually just quit. Then, you'll have less than a handful of players left. If a player doesn't want to respect, they don't have to. If a player does want to respect, they should have that choice. I wouldn't presume to be that selfish and deny another the ability to respect and try something new so they can keep the game fresh simply because I'm afraid they'd become OP. It sounds like a of players are simply afraid of others. Reject a readily available respec if you're afraid of others.
The "you're actions have consequences" statement from the Dust video are not about the positives and negatives of a respec, they were about how one person can change the EVE universe based on the decisions they make.
While in a more eloquent manner, you did the same thing i criticized the other poster for. Don't assume that everyone gets bored and automatically develops the need for a respec just because you can understand this notion. Don't assume that only a handfull of players embraces a "no respec" policy because you disagree with them. There are many minds here and not all of them are shaped like yours. You imply that argueing against "free" (in terms of no extreme conditions required) respecs is "selfish". Maybe it is. But did you think about those who specifically like that aspect of the game? Aren't the promoters of "free" respecs the ones who want to change an important aspect of the game in a way that nullifies its sole purpose. How is the term "selfish" helpfull here? Everyone can try everything for no/a pretty minor cost in SP. Use militia or put a single skill in whatever you want to try. By the time you're accostumed to it you'll have enough SP to improve on it. I did it numerous times and the few percent in effectiveness rarely make a noticeable impact. Lastly what are you even trying to achieve with the OP argument? Some posters point out and object known consequences of "free" respecs. Calling it "fear" is a strawman until you prove that's the prime motivation, not just insinuate it. And even then it does nothing to the argument itself.
Spending aurum for a respec is not "free" as you so put it. And, extreme is a subjective term. For some people, spending aurum is extreme. The important aspects of the game are also highly opinionated. Important aspects of the game change for players. For some of us the most important aspect is being able to fill a role and change that role when the team needs. For some the important aspects are different. Allowing respecs give both sides the opportunity to play as they choose. I'd choose to allow them to make their own decision. Respec if you want to change roles, don't respec if you are content with your skill allocation.
The statement of "flavor of the month" which is an argument common to respec threads be it a change in suits or equipment is an implication of fear as that is directly pointing to something that could be OP. This is fear of the possibility of a once not OP player becoming OP which leads to the possibility of a multitude of players becoming OP. Players will always find ways of being OP, respecs or not. To not mention OP is to ignore others' concerns.
Your assumption that I assume everybody gets bored is incorrect. My original statement was "when players get bored" not "all players get bored." There is a definite difference between those statements. Semantic arguments aren't important, however but since you misinterpreted my statement, I must clarify. Some players will get bored and they will quit. By stating that a handful remain is implies that not all players will bet bored and quit. I use "handful" as Dust has a small player base as it stands. I hope I didn't miss anything. I tried to touch on all your aforementioned concerns about respecs. |
Chinduko
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Posted - 2013.05.15 19:00:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:BASSMEANT wrote:1. the "consequences" issue is moot. no FF = no consequences. don't lean on that. you'll tip. you want consequences? ditch the redline... add v2k... turn on FF for ALL modes... etc. this isn't about that. and consequences ain't gonna happen. ok ill give ya this, but in the meta: first PC where the orbital takes out 2 enemies and 6 friendlies... THEN you guys will get your consequences. the end result... a lotta bichin up and quittin the clan.
2. CCP needs to make money. many people seem to be incompetent at simple math and basic reading. add the 2 together. 50 cents to a buck per respec should get them a couple grand a week based on laziness alone.
3. i have never spent a dime. it's not pay to win. that's all excuses, too. life isn't fair. ruck up and deal or move on. or stay quiet and just grind til you are the same imbalanced protoad you are being beaten up by.
if the devs are gonna fix these ***** salad sandwich, they need income. only real income i see right now is dollars for respecs.
sorry if that bunches up some folks but you gotta do something here. 5k players ain't gonna cut it.
and flavor of the month?
all you guys DO is make stupid memes that folks forget 2 weeks later. the whole damn game is flavor of the month til GTAV comes out and everyone bails anyway. CCP may as well make a buck-three-eighty or so over the summer. might keep the devs devving a lil longer. might help the game unsuck.
and i'm not askin for me. i'm not respeccing.
Peace
B Actually, it's just like you said. Life isn't fair. Ruck up and deal with it. Pretty concise. Take your mis-allocated SP as a learning experience and move on.
He mentioned that he will deal, he'll be having a blast on GTAV while the few players that remain to play Dust wonder why the player base gets smaller than it is now.
He's right, if CCP can't make money which respecs could potentially make money, there goes your new updates out the door. CCP will simply spend their time with EVE giving Dust less and less.
I don't know that CCP will allow respecs but it's their decision, all we can do is show them that the benefits (money made) to allowing it do outweigh the costs (players complaining just as they always do but still won't stop playing Dust). |
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