This is a game. Screw the whole "Your actions have consequences" arguement. That is for the real world not a fictional one being played for ENJOYMENT. Who cares if someone wants to spend cash to respec? What if they are bored? What's it to you?

No bad idea.

I dont want people just spending money to spec into the FOTM (Flavour/fit you choose).

Makes the whole point of 'Your actions have consquences' go to waste.

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Please explain to me how that is pay to win.

Paying for a respec isn't pay to win, you're not exactly earning anything from respeccing. You're not earning any more SP or gear from doing so, nor are you gaining a significant upper hand over others.

Personally, I'm not that big on respecs in DUST/EVE, but with the coming of Uprising and the handful of botched skills CCP released I can see the reason to allow some respecs until CCP gets the skills and everything locked down.

"The respecs should be free and unrestricted"

no.
they should not.

the game is free.


your mistakes cost you.

pay the man.

Peace
B

*sigh*

Why are we still talking about this?

I know CCP can make money off of this, but this idea has been talked about for at least since PLEX was introduced in Eve and even then the majority of the player base didn't want it.

No, I don't want it. It doesn't belong in DUST. It screams pay-to-win.

If u dont care, why bother posting? let me guess, you are female

If u dont care, why bother posting? let me guess, you are female

I'm not a girl. Even then, what does that have to do with this discussion? Is that the best rebuttal you can come up with?

make it .50 cents to 1.00 in aurum for respec.
then let em respec themselves to death.

You are thinking of Borderlands. DUST is not that game.

While in Borderlands(1 & 2) a cheap respec will allow one to tweak the hell out of your setup for a particular boss battle or to fight some specific enemies that is not consistent with New Eden, EVE nor current DUST setups.

You would have equipment in your inventory that you could not use. You could switch the 6M SP required for tanks to Logi Bro. Or switch the 4M Logi Bro SP to buff you your tank skills for a PC/FW battle.

Also consider that the entire system would have to be reworked. Now recall how the user experience has degraded from Chromosome to Uprising. What are the chances of it working out ... for the players?

The problem is solved only if you don't actually consider the consequences, the amount of effort to implement it nor the long term effects on game play. This is the normal easy solution that the web produces every minute of everyday regarding virtually any problem.

Nice try but a solid whoosh.

Not if it is free. How is this pay to win?

The respecs should be free and unrestricted. We should have an ingame mechanic for it so CCP would not have to deal with it at all. Upon respec SP would be refunded except corp related SP. No skill book refund would take place. Frequent respecers would go broke.

I believe this alone would resolve the problem. It would also add playability to the game by spicing things up. A merc could have 15 mil SP but with no ISK to buy books it would feel like leveling up. Every few battles they could purchase skills, weapons, and suits. This would make the sluglike player progression feel like you are getting somewhere.....everyday. Meanwhile they would be leveling up for real. Every one could try things and find out what they like. After spending weeks without all of their SP they would understand the skills and the value of said skills. Plus they may like what they spec into.

The initial respec should, however, include a full refund on skill books. The way people skilled into things was based on game play from Chromosome. Uprising was a slap in the face to anyone who thought non AR weapons were still viable. Weapons and vehicles used the day before were extremely different, as was game play. Tons of mercs felt cheated. I think everyone learned something.

1. CCP "rebalance" things.
2. A particular weapon shows itself to be the new "OP".
3. Everyone with money to burn flocks to the AUR respec and skills into that weapon.

Guess what the non-paying players do?

Your actions have consequence

This isn't pay to win, it's pay to element the concept that whatever choices you make, you have to live with them. Once the skill tree situation is taken care of, I hope we never, ever see another respec again for the sake of preserving that value.

So now its the players faut that imbalances in weapons create FOTMs? So what are you really upset about? That you dont want to respec into something "OP" but that others do? That those others are getting an edge over you because they payed real money to respec to a "broken imbalanced" weapon? Or is it really that you dont want to pay real money to respec? and if the respec were free what then? whats the issue now? There is no gaining of SP of any sorts that anyone has proposed. rather they are reassigning the SP. So whats the real issue hmm? Because there will be people that already specced into that weapon or vehicle, etc. So they get rewarded because of this? no gripes there? it seems like the bigger issue is the imbalance in weapons and game mechanics that allow people to get ahead of others.

So now its the players faut that imbalances in weapons create FOTMs? So what are you really upset about? That you dont want to respec into something "OP" but that others do? That those others are getting an edge over you because they payed real money to respec to a "broken imbalanced" weapon? Or is it really that you dont want to pay real money to respec? and if the respec were free what then? whats the issue now? There is no gaining of SP of any sorts that anyone has proposed. rather they are reassigning the SP. So whats the real issue hmm? Because there will be people that already specced into that weapon or vehicle, etc. So they get rewarded because of this? no gripes there? it seems like the bigger issue is the imbalance in weapons and game mechanics that allow people to get ahead of others.

and for people throwing this around...


where oh please WHERE does that ever say its for character creation? because its not. It has to do with our (the players) ability to shape the world of New Eden. Not that you should be punished or rewarded by your allocation of SP.

The Butterfly Effect

in a nutshell, you play a pub, do well, get accepted into a corp thats part of alliance thats doing PC. you take over planets and help out your eve allies to gain a stronger foothold or to help your faction militia conquer systems, and all of this because of the people you met in your pub games. Please stop using this phrase incorrectly.



EDIT:

I am not AGAINST the respec argument, but im not necessarily for it either. Im just trying to point out what a really complex and in depth skill points system does when weapons are imbalanced, which is the bigger issue. And it seems that others that have made good decisions want the rest of the community to suck it up because if they could do it why cant the rest of them. This is not a good attitude to have.

Listen to your basement dwelling selves.

This is a friggin GAME, a VIDEO GAME.

It's not real life, your New Eden does not exist, except in your sad little minds.

'' if you make a mistake you have to live with it '' lol.............. STFU.

THIS IS A VIDEO GAME, a bad one, but it's still ONLY A GAME.

I'm sure most of the idiots posting on these forums wear Star Trek outfits while typing away in their basements. dreaming about 7 of Nine, and wondering what it'd be like to talk to a real life girl.

Listen to your basement dwelling selves.

This is a friggin GAME, a VIDEO GAME.

It's not real life, your New Eden does not exist, except in your sad little minds.

'' if you make a mistake you have to live with it '' lol.............. STFU.

THIS IS A VIDEO GAME, a bad one, but it's still ONLY A GAME.

I'm sure most of the idiots posting on these forums wear Star Trek outfits while typing away in their basements. dreaming about 7 of Nine, and wondering what it'd be like to talk to a real life girl.

Statements like these are the reason why there's no balance in Dust 514. You play any other game, you play by that game's rules and parameters. You play Dust 514, you have to play by New Eden rules or
I'm seriously disgusted by the amount of unwarranted self entitlement that flood these forums. CCP caters to your ilk, and I have no idea why. You're probably going to leave to once CoD: Ghost, BF4, or whatever watered down FPS comes out, right? You may see my views as elitist or down right snobbish, but I don't care. Crying about the rules of New Eden is the equivalent of trying to move backwards with a pawn in chess.