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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:47:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:1 reset, each year, just like EvE's attribute remap. Free or AUR, who really cares...
Attribute reallocation not sp repec. |
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:49:00 -
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No more respecs. I really hope this is the last one. |
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:12:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:BASSMEANT wrote:Pretty simple answer:
make it .50 cents to 1.00 in aurum for respec. then let em respec themselves to death.
problem solved.
Peace B Please continue to suggest ways to implement new and exciting pay-to-win content. Please.
That is pay to win. |
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Posted - 2013.05.16 08:31:00 -
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We love and respect our fps fan boys and their opinions. Respecs hurt the game because anyone at anytime can change their roles and respec into the new weapon or suit that is the perceived "Win Button" and caused more QQ and then causes the nerf/buff cycle. This is a fps and a RPG rolled up into one game and name of the game is you have a choice to make and if it is good or bad you have to live with it. We want a hardcore shooter that takes time and skill to develop into an effective merc and giving people the option to waffle and completely change because some other item is a tiny bit better or they don't like what they have is detrimental to the premise of the game. There should only be respects for skills removed or a complete misrepresentation of the skill. We all knew new gear was coming and we shouldn't hand out candy to babies because of their failure to read or their unhappiness with the choices they made.
I give exceptions to the current respec because the launch did not have all the basic gear and suits but after that there should be no repecs for anything except the removal of skills that the merc was skilled into or the skill is broken/described poorly. Then only the spent SP in the those broken or repealed skills should be refunded, not all of the SP. |
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Posted - 2013.05.16 08:43:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:*sigh*
Why are we still talking about this?
I know CCP can make money off of this, but this idea has been talked about for at least since PLEX was introduced in Eve and even then the majority of the player base didn't want it.
No, I don't want it. It doesn't belong in DUST. It screams pay-to-win. Not if it is free. How is this pay to win? The respecs should be free and unrestricted. We should have an ingame mechanic for it so CCP would not have to deal with it at all. Upon respec SP would be refunded except corp related SP. No skill book refund would take place. Frequent respecers would go broke. I believe this alone would resolve the problem. It would also add playability to the game by spicing things up. A merc could have 15 mil SP but with no ISK to buy books it would feel like leveling up. Every few battles they could purchase skills, weapons, and suits. This would make the sluglike player progression feel like you are getting somewhere.....everyday. Meanwhile they would be leveling up for real. Every one could try things and find out what they like. After spending weeks without all of their SP they would understand the skills and the value of said skills. Plus they may like what they spec into. The initial respec should, however, include a full refund on skill books. The way people skilled into things was based on game play from Chromosome. Uprising was a slap in the face to anyone who thought non AR weapons were still viable. Weapons and vehicles used the day before were extremely different, as was game play. Tons of mercs felt cheated. I think everyone learned something.
I wrong clicked one time and lost 250k SP other than that I got what I wanted. When balance finally hits the weapons the douches who picked the I win button because it is a win button will be screwed and that's the way it should be. I spent 3 days skilling into a level 3 skill on EvE to find out it did not do what I thought or wanted. Am I crying for a refund? No, because I understand that it was my choice and I made it wrong. I had to search the forums and I found one post by CCP Fozzie that gave me my bad news. Three days wasted. New Eden is a bit** and you have to decide if you are going to f*** her or if she is going to f*** you. |
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Posted - 2013.05.16 09:01:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:This isn't pay to win, it's pay to element the concept that whatever choices you make, you have to live with them. Once the skill tree situation is taken care of, I hope we never, ever see another respec again for the sake of preserving that value. +200 |
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Posted - 2013.05.16 09:12:00 -
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Synfulwrath wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:The Goram Batman wrote:Please explain to me how that is pay to win.
Paying for a respec isn't pay to win, you're not exactly earning anything from respeccing. You're not earning any more SP or gear from doing so, nor are you gaining a significant upper hand over others.
Personally, I'm not that big on respecs in DUST/EVE, but with the coming of Uprising and the handful of botched skills CCP released I can see the reason to allow some respecs until CCP gets the skills and everything locked down. 1. CCP "rebalance" things. 2. A particular weapon shows itself to be the new "OP". 3. Everyone with money to burn flocks to the AUR respec and skills into that weapon. Guess what the non-paying players do? So now its the players faut that imbalances in weapons create FOTMs? So what are you really upset about? That you dont want to respec into something "OP" but that others do? That those others are getting an edge over you because they payed real money to respec to a "broken imbalanced" weapon? Or is it really that you dont want to pay real money to respec? and if the respec were free what then? whats the issue now? There is no gaining of SP of any sorts that anyone has proposed. rather they are reassigning the SP. So whats the real issue hmm? Because there will be people that already specced into that weapon or vehicle, etc. So they get rewarded because of this? no gripes there? it seems like the bigger issue is the imbalance in weapons and game mechanics that allow people to get ahead of others. and for people throwing this around... Quote:Your actions have consequence where oh please WHERE does that ever say its for character creation? because its not. It has to do with our (the players) ability to shape the world of New Eden. Not that you should be punished or rewarded by your allocation of SP. The Butterfly Effectin a nutshell, you play a pub, do well, get accepted into a corp thats part of alliance thats doing PC. you take over planets and help out your eve allies to gain a stronger foothold or to help your faction militia conquer systems, and all of this because of the people you met in your pub games. Please stop using this phrase incorrectly. EDIT: I am not AGAINST the respec argument, but im not necessarily for it either. Im just trying to point out what a really complex and in depth skill points system does when weapons are imbalanced, which is the bigger issue. And it seems that others that have made good decisions want the rest of the community to suck it up because if they could do it why cant the rest of them. This is not a good attitude to have.
The problem is imbalance and trying to get an edge over someone by using a broken tool is to be expected but we shouldn't reward people who only want the best current weapon or suit by allowing them to change their entire SP allocation to take advantage of a broken mechanism. If you skilled to the tac rifle because it is op and then they nerf it to bring it in line with other weapons you shouldn't get a respec because a new weapon is perceived to be better. |
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