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Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2013.05.15 18:30:00 -
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LongLostLust wrote:Guinevere Bravo wrote:No bad idea.
I dont want people just spending money to spec into the FOTM (Flavour/fit you choose).
Makes the whole point of 'Your actions have consquences' go to waste. This is a game. Screw the whole "Your actions have consequences" arguement. That is for the real world not a fictional one being played for ENJOYMENT. Who cares if someone wants to spend cash to respec? What if they are bored? What's it to you?
The "your actions have consequences" argument is one of the main reasons why some of us are here. If you didn't want to sign up for a world where your decisions matter, you should have done more research on what New Eden is about.
Screw the whole "make it like all the other games" argument. |
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Posted - 2013.05.16 03:45:00 -
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The Goram Batman wrote:Please explain to me how that is pay to win.
Paying for a respec isn't pay to win, you're not exactly earning anything from respeccing. You're not earning any more SP or gear from doing so, nor are you gaining a significant upper hand over others.
Personally, I'm not that big on respecs in DUST/EVE, but with the coming of Uprising and the handful of botched skills CCP released I can see the reason to allow some respecs until CCP gets the skills and everything locked down.
1. CCP "rebalance" things.
2. A particular weapon shows itself to be the new "OP".
3. Everyone with money to burn flocks to the AUR respec and skills into that weapon.
Guess what the non-paying players do? |
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Posted - 2013.05.16 05:22:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:If u dont care, why bother posting? let me guess, you are female
Same reason I'm posting the same point Maken makes.
We care about the game staying true to one of the reasons why we're playing it.
We don't care if you like it or not.
"I don't care about you" and "I don't care about this topic" are very different points to be making. And neither one should be seen as a reason to bring up sexist stereotypes and use "female" as a derogatory term. |
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Posted - 2013.05.16 09:09:00 -
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Synfulwrath wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:The Goram Batman wrote:Please explain to me how that is pay to win.
Paying for a respec isn't pay to win, you're not exactly earning anything from respeccing. You're not earning any more SP or gear from doing so, nor are you gaining a significant upper hand over others.
Personally, I'm not that big on respecs in DUST/EVE, but with the coming of Uprising and the handful of botched skills CCP released I can see the reason to allow some respecs until CCP gets the skills and everything locked down. 1. CCP "rebalance" things. 2. A particular weapon shows itself to be the new "OP". 3. Everyone with money to burn flocks to the AUR respec and skills into that weapon. Guess what the non-paying players do? So now its the players faut that imbalances in weapons create FOTMs? So what are you really upset about? That you dont want to respec into something "OP" but that others do? That those others are getting an edge over you because they payed real money to respec to a "broken imbalanced" weapon? Or is it really that you dont want to pay real money to respec? and if the respec were free what then? whats the issue now? There is no gaining of SP of any sorts that anyone has proposed. rather they are reassigning the SP. So whats the real issue hmm? Because there will be people that already specced into that weapon or vehicle, etc. So they get rewarded because of this? no gripes there? it seems like the bigger issue is the imbalance in weapons and game mechanics that allow people to get ahead of others.
I was answering the question of how AUR respecs would be pay-to-win. It would be pay-to-win because people who spend real money would get a definite, measurable advantage over those who don't.
If there were free respecs, there would be no lasting result from your decision to skill into something, and that goes against a core philosophy of New Eden. That philosophy of lasting consequences for your decisions is a large part of the reason many of us are here, and if it's negated, DUST will no longer be part of New Eden.
Different games work within different universes that have different rules. If they all worked the same way, then gamers wouldn't be as broad a target market. This isn't a game that's built with the mindset of your average CoD player in mind, and it's not meant to be. It wasn't built for people who want to rush around and not have to plan ahead. |
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Posted - 2013.05.16 09:46:00 -
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ICECREAMK1NG wrote:Listen to your basement dwelling selves.
This is a friggin GAME, a VIDEO GAME.
It's not real life, your New Eden does not exist, except in your sad little minds.
'' if you make a mistake you have to live with it '' lol.............. STFU.
THIS IS A VIDEO GAME, a bad one, but it's still ONLY A GAME.
I'm sure most of the idiots posting on these forums wear Star Trek outfits while typing away in their basements. dreaming about 7 of Nine, and wondering what it'd be like to talk to a real life girl.
1. I live with my girlfriend in an apartment on one of the busiest main roads in my country, on the second floor. Our basement is a garage, and has no bedrooms.
2. New Eden may not be real, but it has consistent rules like any other good setting for a story.
3. If the game is so bad, why are you still here?
4. I don't own any Star Trek outfits, but I do own a pair of Kodachi, a Broadsword, a collection of Bokken, a Hanbo and a Bo staff. You're welcome to track me down, there's enough information on these forums for a smart person to track down the street I live on at the very least. If you decide to come visit, let me know. |
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Posted - 2013.05.17 22:04:00 -
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Mr PurpSicle wrote:If the game were perfectly balanced I would say no re-specs. But it's not. So why not offer it for a price. I'm sure CCP could use the money towards dev costs of balancing. I know this could be viewed as P2W but if the game was actually balanced, it would not be. The option to respec would help show what is unbalanced.
Since I have yet to see a good reason to not allow this, I'm willing to gander that all of those against re-specs are Caldari Proto Logi wearin', Tac AR usin' whores who think that because they did the research to find the unbalanced items in the game that anyone who made the mistake of spec'ing into anything else should have to pay. Oh, they will QQ when the nerf bat strikes! And it will. CCP has a nerf bat the size of a cadilac. Look what happened to LR's. Nerfed into non-existence. They should stop listening to forum QQers.
Main is a Shotgun Scout with a side-project of skilling into Amarr Logi.
Most-active alt is a tank driver who uses a Sica most of the time.
Paid respecs are against the spirit of New Eden. If CCP offer them in DUST, they'll be forced to offer them in EVE as well. Many long-term players in BOTH games will leave if that happens.
EVE is for profit. DUST is for fun. Killing the spirit of New Eden for something that's barely past being side-project material yet is a bad idea.
You make your decision, you live with it. As long as CCP have given you access to the relevant information to make an informed decision, there should be no option to change your mind. The recent issues with vehicle skills having incorrect descriptions, and certain skills not applying as described is a valid reason to allow a respec. "Because I wanna" and "because moneys!" are definitely NOT valid reasons to allow a respec. |
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