On the other hand, people complaining that AV doesn't do anything anymore, well, frankly, if your team doesn't have dedicated AV squads (i.e. three or four people running around with proto AV and damage mods), then don't expect to take out vehicles quickly. I would expect to have to see two or three proto FGs working together to take out a Sagaris or a Gunnlogi, two to take out a dropship, and one firing a couple of shots to take out a decent LAV fit.

scrubs mad bc they cant solo tanks anymore. <3

Both sides are partially correct. Tanks should be, IF FIT CORRECTLY, very hard to kill unless you have dedicated, squad-based AV, and impossible to kill if you're solo. .

I've bolded the part I have an issue with. Why should that be the case? AV greandes are, to me, almost perfect. If you bring a tank in that close to infantry you should be soloed, and deserve to be soloed so incredibly easily because that's not what tanks are FOR. They should not be invulnerable K\D padders.

They're large, heavy hitting platforms whos power is out weighed by the fact they're HUGE and OH so easy to hit (In reality tank engagements are between 10-15KM average, that should indicate how easy they are to spot and engage). Also in reality tank crews spend more time finding ways to hide their tank and keep it 'Hull down' than firing the gun and they absolutely LOATH urban areas.

Go look up Thunder Run. Tanks are so exposed and vulnerable in urban areas that they simply floor all their tanks right to the capital under orders to not stop. Not even to shoot, do it on the move.

In Dust, if you let infantry get on top of you either by being lazy and trying it solo, or being a f*cking ****** and driving your tank in close to soldiers, you absolutely deserve to die because you don't actually KNOW how to use a tank.

In my experience, it isn't - and SHOULDN'T BE - possible to make a tank that's totally immune to being soloed.

It IS possible to play a well-fitted tank in such a way that it WON'T be soloed, but with poor control, the same fitting backed by the same passives is still killable. The balance is that if you want to use your tank to kill a good AV player, and you're alone in it, then you're going to be at risk of them killing you too.

Working as intended, imo.

Had this thing on my alt and when aiming for a tank while shields are up you only get a 110% efficency. I put this in perspective now (basic lvl 1 weapons):
swarms=69%= 910HP per volley
forgegun=100% =1320HP per hit
plasma canon= 110%=1155HP per hit

As you can see the plasma canon is the highest damage dealing weapon in the light weapon category but gets outclassed by the forgegun (heavy weapon). Downsides are that it has a firing arc and the projectile is slow which limits its engagements only up to close. Another downside is its 1 round clip which requires constant reloading which eliminates high DPS vs vehicles. Looked at fitting then you wont need PG for this weapon but alot of CPU which makes fitting damage mods hard to it compared to the swarm launcher and the forgegun. To be honest this weapon is underpowered and should have a bit more damage then a forgegun cause the balancing factor is the reload after each shot. What i cant understand aswell is the silly chargeup. I thought it was supposed to be a RPG kinda weapon but it reminds of a weird combination of a massdriver and a forgegun. Unfortunately it didnt recieved the strenght of its parents but more of their weaknesses.

It WAS working as intended. The HP buff for vehicles is going to seriously upset that balance.

I agree.

Having played about with it today I think a two shot clip is in order. And a very light damage buff (+0/+3%/+5%) to the existing damage at the higher tiers.

The standard is fine.

Also your swarm launcher damage is wrong. Its 4x330 = 1320 damage. Thats if every missile hits.

I used it on my alt, frankly I am impressed. In comparison the FG it is superior in infantry maneuvers, clearly inferior in sniper, and about the same in overall DpS here is the math

Level 5 FG
Reload is 4.5 sec (3.8 with level 5 reload)
Charge 3.0 sec
Splash is 300 with 3m radius
Direct 1500

Level 5 plasma
Reload is 3.5(3 sec with level 5 reload)
Charge is 0.5
Splash is 350 with 3.5 m radius
Direct is 1300

Clearly the plasma shoots faster. Factor in reload and charge, it is faster dps than FG, sry. Keep in mind that forge gun is headvy and you cannot carry nanohives. The plasma is light and depending on your class you can have up to 3 nanohives, which makes the ammo argument irrelevent. You are also faster on the ground and charging doesn't have a mocement penalty. It also has a larger projectile which makes it really easy to hit infantry directly, heavies are screwed. This gun is superior to forgegun in everyway.

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I was talking about shield damage resistance profiles and you do only 69% dmage vs shields with a swarm launcher. So 910HP damage per volley is correct.

Yeah, I got disapointed with the plasma aswell.

Though I have an suggsestion. Make plasma cannon like the alien cannon in Crysis 3 ( you who have played crysis 3, its that Cannon that fires 3 globes of energy, X-PACT Mortar or something it was called).

It would have 2-3 round magazine, with slightly longer charge up timer, but it would fire the whole magazine in one volley, like an mortar. to balance the burst damage, they would ofcourse disperse in different directions with the first shot being accurate and the following shots slinging slightly offcourse.

just my 0,05 isk

Needs double damage against vehicles and a larger splash radius.

Yeah, I just invested a lot of SP into grabbing the Plasma Cannon and am completely underwhelmed by its performance. I don't see the usefulness of it compared to the Swarm Launcher and Mass Driver.

Toxin Submachine gun is a better anti-infantry weapon, so is the Mass Driver. Swarm Launcher is a way better anti-vehicle weapon. I think it needs a bit more design focus.

you guys wanted a AV that's dumbfire so it can hit infantry if need that's strong vs shields that's also a light weapon with close DPS to the forge gun and yet people complain. everyone is to used to homing av weapons. w/e

nothing needs to be fixed. used it and it works pretty good.

Projectile that is slower than a mass driver round

Takes multiple shots to take out an LAV - less damage than a Swarm Launcher.

One round per 'magazine'

Nine rounds total

A -stupid- charge up time considering all of this.

Just saying, as excited as I was for this to be implemented, you kinda ruined any potential it ever had when you increased the EHP on -every vehicle in the game- without checking your newest AV tool.

Nice.

Edit: Also, it costs about 3x the CPU of the Swarm Launcher.

Additional Edit: Also, a 3.5 second reload time on a single shot weapon? Who's bright idea was this?