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Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1292	Posted - 2013.05.14 12:43:00 - [1] - Quote Projectile that is slower than a mass driver round Takes multiple shots to take out an LAV - less damage than a Swarm Launcher. One round per 'magazine' Nine rounds total A -stupid- charge up time considering all of this. Just saying, as excited as I was for this to be implemented, you kinda ruined any potential it ever had when you increased the EHP on -every vehicle in the game- without checking your newest AV tool. Nice. Edit: Also, it costs about 3x the CPU of the Swarm Launcher. Additional Edit: Also, a 3.5 second reload time on a single shot weapon? Who's bright idea was this?
Billi Gene The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 145	Posted - 2013.05.14 12:45:00 - [2] - Quote what meta level cannon are you using?
XXfootnoteXX DUST University Ivy League 267	Posted - 2013.05.14 12:46:00 - [3] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Projectile that is slower than a mass driver round Takes multiple shots to take out an LAV - less damage than a Swarm Launcher. One round per 'magazine' Nine rounds total A -stupid- charge up time considering all of this. Just saying, as excited as I was for this to be implemented, you kinda ruined any potential it ever had when you increased the EHP on -every vehicle in the game- without checking your newest AV tool. Nice. Edit: Also, it costs about 3x the CPU of the Swarm Launcher. I am still at work. I actually accidently leveled this up to L4 so I am stuck with it. Honestly in my head this would be (read: Should be) a great anti-tank weapon. I know its too slow for LAV's and does not have the range for Dropships but I was hoping for a high DPS anti tank weapon.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1292	Posted - 2013.05.14 12:47:00 - [4] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: what meta level cannon are you using? Standard, but it doesn't matter if it's practical to use against even an LAV. Why put a bunch of SP into something for minor boosts (+2 rounds with Ammo Capacity 5) that isn't effective against even the most rudimentary of vehicles?
Delta 749 Maverick Security Consulting 82	Posted - 2013.05.14 12:47:00 - [5] - Quote XXfootnoteXX wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Projectile that is slower than a mass driver round Takes multiple shots to take out an LAV - less damage than a Swarm Launcher. One round per 'magazine' Nine rounds total A -stupid- charge up time considering all of this. Just saying, as excited as I was for this to be implemented, you kinda ruined any potential it ever had when you increased the EHP on -every vehicle in the game- without checking your newest AV tool. Nice. Edit: Also, it costs about 3x the CPU of the Swarm Launcher. I am still at work. I actually accidently leveled this up to L4 so I am stuck with it. Honestly in my head this would be (read: Should be) a great anti-tank weapon. I know its too slow for LAV's and does not have the range for Dropships but I was hoping for a high DPS anti tank weapon. High DPS anti tank weapon? We cant have that now can we or did you forget all the complaining about AV nades that gave us this increase in vehicle health
Rei Shepard Spectre II 263	Posted - 2013.05.14 12:48:00 - [6] - Quote My guess is that its gonna be the NoobTube.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1293	Posted - 2013.05.14 12:49:00 - [7] - Quote XXfootnoteXX wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Projectile that is slower than a mass driver round Takes multiple shots to take out an LAV - less damage than a Swarm Launcher. One round per 'magazine' Nine rounds total A -stupid- charge up time considering all of this. Just saying, as excited as I was for this to be implemented, you kinda ruined any potential it ever had when you increased the EHP on -every vehicle in the game- without checking your newest AV tool. Nice. Edit: Also, it costs about 3x the CPU of the Swarm Launcher. I am still at work. I actually accidently leveled this up to L4 so I am stuck with it. Honestly in my head this would be (read: Should be) a great anti-tank weapon. I know its too slow for LAV's and does not have the range for Dropships but I was hoping for a high DPS anti tank weapon. Yeah, well tough ****, the standard variant only does 1050 damage where as the Swarm Launcher - with it's lock on capabilities and larger magazine storage - does 1,200. Toss that into the fact that this weapon has RIDICULOUS CPU costs and you can't even apply damage mods to offset the balance into the favorable zone. Further more, with the massive HP buffs to -all- vehicles, even the standard LAV can survive a direct hit from the Standard Plasma Cannon. So don't expect it to work very well against HAVs/Dropships.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1293	Posted - 2013.05.14 12:50:00 - [8] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: My guess is that its gonna be the NoobTube. Than they need to -drastically- increase it's projectile speed and splash radius. 3.5 meters is just slightly higher than a Forge Gun and even then you're going to be waiting for the round to actually land.
XXfootnoteXX DUST University Ivy League 267	Posted - 2013.05.14 12:52:00 - [9] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: XXfootnoteXX wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Projectile that is slower than a mass driver round Takes multiple shots to take out an LAV - less damage than a Swarm Launcher. One round per 'magazine' Nine rounds total A -stupid- charge up time considering all of this. Just saying, as excited as I was for this to be implemented, you kinda ruined any potential it ever had when you increased the EHP on -every vehicle in the game- without checking your newest AV tool. Nice. Edit: Also, it costs about 3x the CPU of the Swarm Launcher. I am still at work. I actually accidently leveled this up to L4 so I am stuck with it. Honestly in my head this would be (read: Should be) a great anti-tank weapon. I know its too slow for LAV's and does not have the range for Dropships but I was hoping for a high DPS anti tank weapon. High DPS anti tank weapon? We cant have that now can we or did you forget all the complaining about AV nades that gave us this increase in vehicle health There has to be an off set to the slow firing and low range.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2013.05.14 12:53:00 - [10] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: My guess is that its gonna be the NoobTube. But Noobtubes are supposed to just work

Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries 319	Posted - 2013.05.14 12:53:00 - [11] - Quote I took one look at the stats and knew immediately it was going to suck. Not only do you need to account for travel time and drop off, but the damage is pretty bad. Also, with a single shot clip, and a reload time of 3.5 seconds and a charge up time of .6, you effectively have a 4.1 second charge up time. All in all, it does less damage than SLs or FGs, requires more skill than SLs or FGs, and has an effectively longer charge up time than SWs or FGs. It probably has a shorter range too. This weapon is absolutely useless.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 263	Posted - 2013.05.14 12:53:00 - [12] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: My guess is that its gonna be the NoobTube. Than they need to -drastically- increase it's projectile speed and splash radius. 3.5 meters is just slightly higher than a Forge Gun and even then you're going to be waiting for the round to actually land. Yeah but it doesnt require a Heavy Suit to use.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1293	Posted - 2013.05.14 12:55:00 - [13] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: My guess is that its gonna be the NoobTube. Than they need to -drastically- increase it's projectile speed and splash radius. 3.5 meters is just slightly higher than a Forge Gun and even then you're going to be waiting for the round to actually land. Yeah but it doesnt require a Heavy Suit to use. Neither does the Swarm Launcher, where's your ******* argument now?
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1051	Posted - 2013.05.14 12:59:00 - [14] - Quote No they dont need to make another OP AV weapon Stop trying to be a scrub and solo tanks
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 189	Posted - 2013.05.14 13:00:00 - [15] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: No they dont need to make another OP AV weapon Stop trying to be a scrub and solo tanks maybe you should stop being a scrub tank driver?
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1293	Posted - 2013.05.14 13:00:00 - [16] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: No they dont need to make another OP AV weapon Stop trying to be a scrub and solo tanks Bad troll is bad. AV weapons weren't OP to begin with - too many idiots running militia tanks expecting them to work wonders.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 263	Posted - 2013.05.14 13:01:00 - [17] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: My guess is that its gonna be the NoobTube. Than they need to -drastically- increase it's projectile speed and splash radius. 3.5 meters is just slightly higher than a Forge Gun and even then you're going to be waiting for the round to actually land. Yeah but it doesnt require a Heavy Suit to use. Neither does the Swarm Launcher, where's your argument now? Edit: Fixed for brashness. Also, don't try to turn this into an anti-infantry tool, the Mass Driver is -FAR- more effective. Because you can lock & fire swarm launchers at infantry ? Right ? lol all i am saying is that its gonna be used like a Mass Driver by allot of people...
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1293	Posted - 2013.05.14 13:03:00 - [18] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: My guess is that its gonna be the NoobTube. Than they need to -drastically- increase it's projectile speed and splash radius. 3.5 meters is just slightly higher than a Forge Gun and even then you're going to be waiting for the round to actually land. Yeah but it doesnt require a Heavy Suit to use. Neither does the Swarm Launcher, where's your argument now? Edit: Fixed for brashness. Also, don't try to turn this into an anti-infantry tool, the Mass Driver is -FAR- more effective. Because you can lock & fire swarm launchers at infantry ? Right ? lol all i am saying is that its gonna be used like a Mass Driver by allot of people... Perhaps I should put it in brail for you.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1051	Posted - 2013.05.14 13:04:00 - [19] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: No they dont need to make another OP AV weapon Stop trying to be a scrub and solo tanks Bad troll is bad. AV weapons weren't OP to begin with - too many idiots running militia tanks expecting them to work wonders. Stop asking for another buff You already got a 10% damage buff already How about you use it instead
Delta 749 Maverick Security Consulting 82	Posted - 2013.05.14 13:07:00 - [20] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: No they dont need to make another OP AV weapon Stop trying to be a scrub and solo tanks Bad troll is bad. AV weapons weren't OP to begin with - too many idiots running militia tanks expecting them to work wonders. Stop asking for another buff You already got a 10% damage buff already How about you use it instead Cause 10% damage is totally all we need when you get both a health increase and resistance buff All because dumb ass tank drivers never learned to not drive into a group of people

Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 716	Posted - 2013.05.14 13:10:00 - [21] - Quote I was hoping for an Aurora ominae(Titan doomsday), you had one job ccp!
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1293	Posted - 2013.05.14 13:24:00 - [22] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: No they dont need to make another OP AV weapon Stop trying to be a scrub and solo tanks Bad troll is bad. AV weapons weren't OP to begin with - too many idiots running militia tanks expecting them to work wonders. Stop asking for another buff You already got a 10% damage buff already How about you use it instead Yeah, you know that 10% damage buff DID NOT APPLY TO THE NEW WEAPONS, right? Another **** poor tank driver who can't seem to grasp the concept of offense/defense
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1051	Posted - 2013.05.14 13:35:00 - [23] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: No they dont need to make another OP AV weapon Stop trying to be a scrub and solo tanks Bad troll is bad. AV weapons weren't OP to begin with - too many idiots running militia tanks expecting them to work wonders. Stop asking for another buff You already got a 10% damage buff already How about you use it instead Cause 10% damage is totally all we need when you get both a health increase and resistance buff All because dumb ass tank drivers never learned to not drive into a group of people Vehicle drivers deserve that buff Its PROTO AV vs BASIC vehicles as it is now and the new tanks are milita grade and are **** Hence why you can easy solo anything
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1294	Posted - 2013.05.14 13:44:00 - [24] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Delta 749 wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: No they dont need to make another OP AV weapon Stop trying to be a scrub and solo tanks Bad troll is bad. AV weapons weren't OP to begin with - too many idiots running militia tanks expecting them to work wonders. Stop asking for another buff You already got a 10% damage buff already How about you use it instead Cause 10% damage is totally all we need when you get both a health increase and resistance buff All because dumb ass tank drivers never learned to not drive into a group of people Vehicle drivers deserve that buff Its PROTO AV vs BASIC vehicles as it is now and the new tanks are milita grade and are ** Hence why you can easy solo anything Right, because no-one's going to risk running their Proto tank unless they know it's a worthy investment. Like Planetary Conquest. I give it two weeks before every corporation worth it's salt starts dishing out tanks like mad now that they've been buffed out the ass. There was -NOT- that much bitching about the AV vs Vehicle debacle to warrant that drastic of a change. Starter LAVs with 2000 EHP? Bullshit. Revert that ** immediately.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1051	Posted - 2013.05.14 13:46:00 - [25] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Right, because no-one's going to risk running their Proto tank unless they know it's a worthy investment. Like Planetary Conquest. I give it two weeks before every corporation worth it's salt starts dishing out tanks like mad now that they've been buffed out the ass. There was -NOT- that much bitching about the AV vs Vehicle debacle to warrant that drastic of a change. Starter LAVs with 2000 EHP? Bullshit. Revert that **** immediately. Its not a PROTO TANK We dont even have a proto tank yet, we never had one, best we had was advanced which was the suyra and sagaris
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1294	Posted - 2013.05.14 13:49:00 - [26] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Right, because no-one's going to risk running their Proto tank unless they know it's a worthy investment. Like Planetary Conquest. I give it two weeks before every corporation worth it's salt starts dishing out tanks like mad now that they've been buffed out the ass. There was -NOT- that much bitching about the AV vs Vehicle debacle to warrant that drastic of a change. Starter LAVs with 2000 EHP? Bullshit. Revert that **** immediately. Its not a PROTO TANK We dont even have a proto tank yet, we never had one, best we had was advanced which was the suyra and sagaris Then let me re-iterate to sate your narcissism. -Higher tier- tanks.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 891	Posted - 2013.05.14 13:53:00 - [27] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: No they dont need to make another OP AV weapon Stop trying to be a scrub and solo tanks As soon as tanks require a full crew to operate, I will accept the argument that it takes a crew of AV to kill one. Until then... One tank < One AVer of the next higher Meta Level That's the only fair way to go.
Aeon Amadi WarRavens 1296	Posted - 2013.05.14 13:58:00 - [28] - Quote Vaerana Myshtana wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: No they dont need to make another OP AV weapon Stop trying to be a scrub and solo tanks As soon as tanks require a full crew to operate, I will accept the argument that it takes a crew of AV to kill one. Until then... One tank < One AVer of the next higher Meta Level That's the only fair way to go. ^ This.
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 893	Posted - 2013.05.14 14:01:00 - [29] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Than they need to -drastically- increase it's projectile speed and splash radius. 3.5 meters is just slightly higher than a Forge Gun and even then you're going to be waiting for the round to actually land. Yeah but it doesnt require a Heavy Suit to use. Yeah, but it doesn't have the RANGE of a Forge Gun. The CFGAVW is a longer range weapon, so the Heavy can (in theory) operate from outside the range of the tank's small turrets and infantry screen. The Plasma Cannon is a short-range weapon that requires the user to get up close and personal. I would accept the idea of a single-shot, slow projectile weapon with little splash damage if its direct damage was massive. Since it can't OHK a militia LAV at close range, its damage isn't even on the chart yet. Furthermore, since it doesn't have a real magazine like CFGAVW, the user cannot even take enough shots to keep from getting run over by a Militia LAV.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 447	Posted - 2013.05.14 14:01:00 - [30] - Quote There are two sides to every argument, and the gist to this one is this. One side are complaining that the tanks have too high HP and resistances, and that a couple of shots from AV does barely any damage anymore. The other side is saying that the HP buff is needed. In essence, the pro-tank side is saying that a tank should be nigh unkillable unless ganged up upon. The other side is complaining that they can't solo vehicles with their proto AV weapons anymore. Both sides are partially correct. Tanks should be, IF FIT CORRECTLY, very hard to kill unless you have dedicated, squad-based AV, and impossible to kill if you're solo. However, LAV's should be killed by a direct forge gun hit, as they have the mobility to throw off the aim of any forge gunner, and to outrun any swarm launcher. If you're close enough to get hit by an AV grenade, well... You're an idiot then, aren't you? I used to attract the attention of LAV drivers by shooting at them, then throw an AV grenade at them as they drove at me, jump out of the way and laugh. Essentially, if you're using a tank and don't have a squad to back you up, you're an idiot, and you deserve to be killed. If you're trying to lone wolf it as a tank driver, on purpose, then you deserve to die. Tanks are technically corp-based equipment to be used on the battlefield, as only corps have the financial power to put a tank on the field every match. As an extension of that, that means that you should have teamwork in place, to back the tank up. Tanks are not meant to lone wolf it, ever. On the other hand, people complaining that AV doesn't do anything anymore, well, frankly, if your team doesn't have dedicated AV squads (i.e. three or four people running around with proto AV and damage mods), then don't expect to take out vehicles quickly. I would expect to have to see two or three proto FGs working together to take out a Sagaris or a Gunnlogi, two to take out a dropship, and one firing a couple of shots to take out a decent LAV fit.



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