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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.05.14 12:43:00 -
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Projectile that is slower than a mass driver round
Takes multiple shots to take out an LAV - less damage than a Swarm Launcher.
One round per 'magazine'
Nine rounds total
A -stupid- charge up time considering all of this.
Just saying, as excited as I was for this to be implemented, you kinda ruined any potential it ever had when you increased the EHP on -every vehicle in the game- without checking your newest AV tool.
Nice.
Edit: Also, it costs about 3x the CPU of the Swarm Launcher.
Additional Edit: Also, a 3.5 second reload time on a single shot weapon? Who's bright idea was this? |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.05.14 12:47:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:what meta level cannon are you using?
Standard, but it doesn't matter if it's practical to use against even an LAV. Why put a bunch of SP into something for minor boosts (+2 rounds with Ammo Capacity 5) that isn't effective against even the most rudimentary of vehicles? |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.05.14 12:49:00 -
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XXfootnoteXX wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote: Projectile that is slower than a mass driver round
Takes multiple shots to take out an LAV - less damage than a Swarm Launcher.
One round per 'magazine'
Nine rounds total
A -stupid- charge up time considering all of this.
Just saying, as excited as I was for this to be implemented, you kinda ruined any potential it ever had when you increased the EHP on -every vehicle in the game- without checking your newest AV tool.
Nice.
Edit: Also, it costs about 3x the CPU of the Swarm Launcher. I am still at work. I actually accidently leveled this up to L4 so I am stuck with it. Honestly in my head this would be (read: Should be) a great anti-tank weapon. I know its too slow for LAV's and does not have the range for Dropships but I was hoping for a high DPS anti tank weapon.
Yeah, well tough ****, the standard variant only does 1050 damage where as the Swarm Launcher - with it's lock on capabilities and larger magazine storage - does 1,200.
Toss that into the fact that this weapon has RIDICULOUS CPU costs and you can't even apply damage mods to offset the balance into the favorable zone.
Further more, with the massive HP buffs to -all- vehicles, even the standard LAV can survive a direct hit from the Standard Plasma Cannon. So don't expect it to work very well against HAVs/Dropships. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.05.14 12:50:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:My guess is that its gonna be the NoobTube.
Than they need to -drastically- increase it's projectile speed and splash radius.
3.5 meters is just slightly higher than a Forge Gun and even then you're going to be waiting for the round to actually land. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.05.14 12:55:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:My guess is that its gonna be the NoobTube. Than they need to -drastically- increase it's projectile speed and splash radius. 3.5 meters is just slightly higher than a Forge Gun and even then you're going to be waiting for the round to actually land. Yeah but it doesnt require a Heavy Suit to use.
Neither does the Swarm Launcher, where's your ******* argument now? |
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Posted - 2013.05.14 13:00:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:No they dont need to make another OP AV weapon
Stop trying to be a scrub and solo tanks
Bad troll is bad. AV weapons weren't OP to begin with - too many idiots running militia tanks expecting them to work wonders. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.05.14 13:03:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:My guess is that its gonna be the NoobTube. Than they need to -drastically- increase it's projectile speed and splash radius. 3.5 meters is just slightly higher than a Forge Gun and even then you're going to be waiting for the round to actually land. Yeah but it doesnt require a Heavy Suit to use. Neither does the Swarm Launcher, where's your argument now? Edit: Fixed for brashness. Also, don't try to turn this into an anti-infantry tool, the Mass Driver is -FAR- more effective. Because you can lock & fire swarm launchers at infantry ? Right ? lol all i am saying is that its gonna be used like a Mass Driver by allot of people...
Perhaps I should put it in brail for you. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.05.14 13:24:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:No they dont need to make another OP AV weapon
Stop trying to be a scrub and solo tanks Bad troll is bad. AV weapons weren't OP to begin with - too many idiots running militia tanks expecting them to work wonders. Stop asking for another buff You already got a 10% damage buff already How about you use it instead
Yeah, you know that 10% damage buff DID NOT APPLY TO THE NEW WEAPONS, right?
Another **** poor tank driver who can't seem to grasp the concept of offense/defense |
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Posted - 2013.05.14 13:44:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Delta 749 wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:No they dont need to make another OP AV weapon
Stop trying to be a scrub and solo tanks Bad troll is bad. AV weapons weren't OP to begin with - too many idiots running militia tanks expecting them to work wonders. Stop asking for another buff You already got a 10% damage buff already How about you use it instead Cause 10% damage is totally all we need when you get both a health increase and resistance buff All because dumb ass tank drivers never learned to not drive into a group of people Vehicle drivers deserve that buff Its PROTO AV vs BASIC vehicles as it is now and the new tanks are milita grade and are **** Hence why you can easy solo anything
Right, because no-one's going to risk running their Proto tank unless they know it's a worthy investment.
Like Planetary Conquest.
I give it two weeks before every corporation worth it's salt starts dishing out tanks like mad now that they've been buffed out the ass.
There was -NOT- that much bitching about the AV vs Vehicle debacle to warrant that drastic of a change.
Starter LAVs with 2000 EHP? Bullshit. Revert that **** immediately.
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.05.14 13:49:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
Right, because no-one's going to risk running their Proto tank unless they know it's a worthy investment.
Like Planetary Conquest.
I give it two weeks before every corporation worth it's salt starts dishing out tanks like mad now that they've been buffed out the ass.
There was -NOT- that much bitching about the AV vs Vehicle debacle to warrant that drastic of a change.
Starter LAVs with 2000 EHP? Bullshit. Revert that **** immediately.
Its not a PROTO TANK We dont even have a proto tank yet, we never had one, best we had was advanced which was the suyra and sagaris
Then let me re-iterate to sate your narcissism.
-Higher tier- tanks. |
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.05.14 13:58:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:No they dont need to make another OP AV weapon
Stop trying to be a scrub and solo tanks As soon as tanks require a full crew to operate, I will accept the argument that it takes a crew of AV to kill one. Until then... One tank < One AVer of the next higher Meta Level That's the only fair way to go.
^ This. |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.05.15 07:04:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:
As you can see the plasma canon is the highest damage dealing weapon in the light weapon category but gets outclassed by the forgegun (heavy weapon). Downsides are that it has a firing arc and the projectile is slow which limits its engagements only up to close. Another downside is its 1 round clip which requires constant reloading which eliminates high DPS vs vehicles. Looked at fitting then you wont need PG for this weapon but alot of CPU which makes fitting damage mods hard to it compared to the swarm launcher and the forgegun. To be honest this weapon is underpowered and should have a bit more damage then a forgegun cause the balancing factor is the reload after each shot. What i cant understand aswell is the silly chargeup. I thought it was supposed to be a RPG kinda weapon but it reminds of a weird combination of a massdriver and a forgegun. Unfortunately it didnt recieved the strenght of its parents but more of their weaknesses.
The 0 PG is a glitch that they're going to fix, only compounding the CPU requirement issue.
Severance Pay wrote:
Clearly the plasma shoots faster. Factor in reload and charge, it is faster dps than FG, sry. Keep in mind that forge gun is headvy and you cannot carry nanohives. The plasma is light and depending on your class you can have up to 3 nanohives, which makes the ammo argument irrelevent. You are also faster on the ground and charging doesn't have a mocement penalty. It also has a larger projectile which makes it really easy to hit infantry directly, heavies are screwed. This gun is superior to forgegun in everyway.
Forge Gun has much longer range and no projectile arch with -INCREDIBLE- projectile speed. The Plasma Cannon takes a lot more player skill to use but the benefits don't offset that at all. Anyone who's played Diablo can use a Forge Gun - it's just point and click. The Plasma Cannon requires predictive thought as to where the target is going, where the projectile is going to have to land before the target gets there and how much time has to pass for each of those things to occur.
The Plasma Cannon -should not- require the trigonometry skills of a real-life scout sniper. It does not perform NEARLY as well as the other AV alternatives and there are far too many detriments to it's "benefits".
The issue with your larger projectile argument is that the round moves so damned slow that infantry can strafe out of the way and not have to worry about the incoming damage at all.
Rogatien Merc wrote:It's not supposed to one-shot LAVs. The reason they F'in raised the HP on LAVs was because they were too easily OHKOed which CCP decided was a bad thing (they are the GMs after all).
TL;DR: Quit your bitching.
I'll accept that argument when my suit, all of my modules and the Plasma Cannon itself requires neither ISK nor SP to use. Until then, there is a major imbalance between this weapon and the starter LAVs.
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