DUST Search - Tanks need to be adjusted.

CCP Blam! wrote:

Hi guys,

Thanks for all your input. Here are some quick points:
- I'm looking at adjusting PG and CPU values, however this is a bit of a big effort so keep that in mind since this will also include re-evaluating PG/CPU costs of all vehicle modules as well and this of course will require an extensive amount of testing.
- we are aware of the issues with turrets. this is going to require some code support and some further feature development to get that out there for you. We're looking at what would be a reasonable deployment plan for you on our end since streaming content (meshes, value changes) is a completely different thing than uploading code changes.
- The Gallente HAVs are intentionally quicker and nimbler than the Caldari HAVs as this is a racial characteristic between the two races. Initially, this was the wrong way around because of an optimization to the physics wheel configuration on these HAVs. Don't forget, at the end of the day that armor tanking is going to reduce the propulsion of an HAV, something which the Gallente HAV is more aligned to.

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Cy Clone1 Ill Omens EoN. 0	Posted - 2013.05.12 17:06:00 - [1] - Quote Getting straight to the point. Caldari tanks have been heavily nerfed. With uprising came the speed swap between armor and shield, the removal of the 5% increase in powergrid / level, and no longer being able to aim up. Armor tanks have a higher powergrid, but lower cpu, except they can still increase the cpu by 5% per level. This along with the speed they now have creates a huge imbalence between the two races,. By removeing the pg expansion skill, Caldari vehicles are limited in their options Bring back 5% increase to maximum vehicle powergrid, and return speeds to original state, please and thank you, p.s the graphics look awesome.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1544	Posted - 2013.05.12 17:19:00 - [2] - Quote Strange, I saw a thread yesterday which said that a rumour tanks would go extinct and shield tanks reigned supreme due to missile turrets.
Cy Clone1 Ill Omens EoN. 0	Posted - 2013.05.12 17:34:00 - [3] - Quote maybe if the armor is running blaster or missile, but a rail gun will still beat a shiled tank. Missiles were designed to beat armor, like laser will be to defeat shields. I respect your point, and agree with it to an extent. its just without the extra powergrid Caldari cant use blaster or rail and still fit a tank that can survive. missiles are the only option they have.
CharCharOdell Ametat Security Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2013.05.12 18:39:00 - [4] - Quote buff tank PG. not base HP. PG! PG!
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 20	Posted - 2013.05.12 18:52:00 - [5] - Quote Can't fit a turret and shields on a Gunlogi. Not even a proto turret, just looking for advanced. Kinda silly that you need TWO proto PG enhancers to run any equipment. I mean... I know it's 'just' a Gunlogi, but why is it impossible to outfit in a remotely survivable fashion? Also, shield hardeners last 10 seconds. Armor hardeners last 60 seconds. Makes it hard to HTFU, no?
Cy Clone1 Ill Omens EoN. 1	Posted - 2013.05.12 19:25:00 - [6] - Quote Yeah the other aspects like hardeners i dont even want to begin with. my issue lies with pg and speed.
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 295	Posted - 2013.05.12 19:41:00 - [7] - Quote Missiles are not even a good option either. They don't fire consistently or accurately. You can only hit with all 4 missiles in cqc tank battles and we don't do the dps needed to have a chance of winning in cqc vs other turret types. And the missile turret has terribad turn speed so you can't try to out maneuver even a rail tank.
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 295	Posted - 2013.05.12 19:42:00 - [8] - Quote At least we can use the points we spent to make shield tanks and get the caldari logi lav instead. That thing is a beast!
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 21	Posted - 2013.05.12 19:44:00 - [9] - Quote Sontie wrote: At least we can use the points we spent to make shield tanks and get the caldari logi lav instead. That thing is a beast! It will have more EHP than my Gunlogi... that's for certain. And ridiculous.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 209	Posted - 2013.05.12 20:06:00 - [10] - Quote Yah, I thought that the gunnlogi felt a little slower, I was used to running a chassis on my tank last build so I wasn't sure if it was just me or not. But now I can't even run chassis because they don't even exist on the market anymore. shakes his head could they possibly do anything else to screw over vehicles? Does anybody have a source that confirms that there was indeed a reduction to speed? Was this nerf also applied to to armor tanks? If the speed nerf to tanks is true, this needs to be corrected imediately along with adding chassis back to the market.

Cy Clone1 Ill Omens EoN. 1	Posted - 2013.05.12 20:15:00 - [11] - Quote Caldari tanks now have around 76km/hr, while gallente now have around 96km/hr.
Mother Facker Ill Omens EoN. 0	Posted - 2013.05.12 23:25:00 - [12] - Quote Sontie wrote: At least we can use the points we spent to make shield tanks and get the caldari logi lav instead. That thing is a beast! I was experimenting with the Methena this afternoon and it's pretty sweet. Way better than the free lav.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 771	Posted - 2013.05.12 23:37:00 - [13] - Quote Tanks need to be buffed to the point that we start seeing "ZOMG! Nerf Tanks! My MILITIA Swarms can't KIll them Solo!" threads again.

CCP Blam! C C P C C P Alliance 33	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:16:00 - [14] - Quote Hi guys, Thanks for all your input. Here are some quick points: - I'm looking at adjusting PG and CPU values, however this is a bit of a big effort so keep that in mind since this will also include re-evaluating PG/CPU costs of all vehicle modules as well and this of course will require an extensive amount of testing. - we are aware of the issues with turrets. this is going to require some code support and some further feature development to get that out there for you. We're looking at what would be a reasonable deployment plan for you on our end since streaming content (meshes, value changes) is a completely different thing than uploading code changes. - The Gallente HAVs are intentionally quicker and nimbler than the Caldari HAVs as this is a racial characteristic between the two races. Initially, this was the wrong way around because of an optimization to the physics wheel configuration on these HAVs. Don't forget, at the end of the day that armor tanking is going to reduce the propulsion of an HAV, something which the Gallente HAV is more aligned to.

IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 41	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:19:00 - [15] - Quote How about some dropship love?
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 699	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:19:00 - [16] - Quote gbghg wrote: Strange, I saw a thread yesterday which said that a rumour tanks would go extinct and shield tanks reigned supreme due to missile turrets. don't make me laugh, killed once in 6 months by them, and that was a mislle installation shooting the LAV behind me
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 41	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:20:00 - [17] - Quote General Tiberius1 wrote: gbghg wrote: Strange, I saw a thread yesterday which said that a rumour tanks would go extinct and shield tanks reigned supreme due to missile turrets. don't make me laugh, killed once in 6 months by them, and that was a mislle installation shooting the LAV behind me He's not talking about the installations my friend. Large Fragmented missile turrets are no joke.
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 699	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:22:00 - [18] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Tanks need to be buffed to the point that we start seeing "ZOMG! Nerf Tanks! My MILITIA Swarms can't KIll them Solo!" threads again. i liked that, blew up a gunlogi yesterday with a single FG clip.....i did a double take when that happened. it's not fair to tankers and i enjoyed the challenge
Hana-Maru Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 99	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:23:00 - [19] - Quote tanks need to have Large turret removed and replaced with 2 small turrets. its really the only fair to handle this.
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 699	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:25:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Blam! wrote: Hi guys, Thanks for all your input. Here are some quick points: - I'm looking at adjusting PG and CPU values, however this is a bit of a big effort so keep that in mind since this will also include re-evaluating PG/CPU costs of all vehicle modules as well and this of course will require an extensive amount of testing. - we are aware of the issues with turrets. this is going to require some code support and some further feature development to get that out there for you. We're looking at what would be a reasonable deployment plan for you on our end since streaming content (meshes, value changes) is a completely different thing than uploading code changes. - The Gallente HAVs are intentionally quicker and nimbler than the Caldari HAVs as this is a racial characteristic between the two races. Initially, this was the wrong way around because of an optimization to the physics wheel configuration on these HAVs. Don't forget, at the end of the day that armor tanking is going to reduce the propulsion of an HAV, something which the Gallente HAV is more aligned to. except they can't fit the bloody modules like they could in eve......so it kinda defeats the purpose. overall, when properly tanked, shield is SUPPOSED to be faster than armor due to plates slowing the tank down.....well, unless syou want a fast splat tank

Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 383	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:26:00 - [21] - Quote IamI3rian wrote: How about some dropship love? You must be new here.
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 44	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:28:00 - [22] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: IamI3rian wrote: How about some dropship love? You must be new here. No no. It was a joke. = ) Well, more like a tear filled, hopeful plea.
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 700	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:30:00 - [23] - Quote anything vehicle related and NOT lav needs fixing (coming from a FGing heavy, that says a LOT)
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 843	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:31:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Blam! wrote: Hi guys, - we are aware of the issues with turrets. this is going to require some code support and some further feature development to get that out there for you. We're looking at what would be a reasonable deployment plan for you on our end since streaming content (meshes, value changes) is a completely different thing than uploading code changes. This seems strange as they were working perfectly fine a week ago? Elaborate?
Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Unclaimed. 102	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:32:00 - [25] - Quote I don't get why they removed the engineering skill, drop-suits have one, eveships have one. If they adjusted PG so you wouldn't need it, it would be great. Even better, in the old days you had a 1x skill that skilled up both suits and vehicles. It just seems sloppy with a heavy bias to vehicles (tanks), when it was changed without updating the description; are tanks supposed to use large vehicle mods or what? Dropsuits don't have issues fitting protomods and tanks struggle with fitting STANDARD mods, and at max skills I might add. We don't even have protomods tech two or whatever you call it, how the hell can you fit those to a tank like you can to dropsuits, or eve ships?
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 44	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:34:00 - [26] - Quote Patoman Radiant wrote: tanks struggle with fitting STANDARD mods, and at max skills I might add. This is entirely the issue. It's like a pick one kinda deal. Seems a tank with a weapon AND armor or shielding is overpowered somehow. Nevermind the fun stuff like heat sinks/damage mods/turbos/etc...
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 382	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:36:00 - [27] - Quote CCP must be confused... shield HAVs are meant to be slower the armor HAVs yet adding armor =slower. so this is some sortof insult to shield HAVs, thanks. i knew it was weird that armor was faster then shield and there it is. i guess now it goes to who will do the test as the last people who did it couldn't figure out there was a aim bug which is kindof important in a fps. so im waiting for the next set of major bugs to come.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 383	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:36:00 - [28] - Quote IamI3rian wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: IamI3rian wrote: How about some dropship love? You must be new here. No no. It was a joke. = ) Well, more like a tear filled, hopeful plea. what is this 'hope' that you speak of.
Cy Clone1 Ill Omens EoN. 4	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:38:00 - [29] - Quote Thank you Blam, all i wanted was for it to be adressed and i apperciate your feedback.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Orion Empire 47	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:41:00 - [30] - Quote Cy Clone1 wrote: Getting straight to the point. Caldari tanks have been heavily nerfed. With uprising came the speed swap between armor and shield, the removal of the 5% increase in powergrid / level, and no longer being able to aim up. Armor tanks have a higher powergrid, but lower cpu, except they can still increase the cpu by 5% per level. This along with the speed they now have creates a huge imbalence between the two races,. By removeing the pg expansion skill, Caldari vehicles are limited in their options Bring back 5% increase to maximum vehicle powergrid, and return speeds to original state, please and thank you, p.s the graphics look awesome. I think Gallente Armor tanks should keep their speed so they can effectively use Armor plates as effectively as Shield Tanks can use Shield Extenders.



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