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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4044	Posted - 2013.05.11 15:41:00 - [1] - Quote Hey guys we know with Uprising quite a few items have been added to the market and its alot of chew, but CPM would like your help. We know there are items in Uprising that odd, erroneous or just plain wrong and we're asking for your help to ID all of them. Few items of note Hacked AV grenades available for ISK. These grenades are supposed to be a merc pack only item not widely available. There was another item that I couldn't remember off the top of my head (a shield one) that they both unlock at the same level but one of the two unlocked provided better stats and better price. Can you guys help ID any others of things you can currently buy? This includes anything that is 'obviously' pay to win items as well Remember where only making a short list of 'broken' items and not asking for things to get nerfed or balanced.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 279	Posted - 2013.05.11 15:45:00 - [2] - Quote Is the milita heavy BPO being half the price of all the others intended?
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1516	Posted - 2013.05.11 15:49:00 - [3] - Quote In the patch notes it said that dropships prices would be halved, they haven't.
Winscar Shinobi Better Hide R Die 171	Posted - 2013.05.11 16:21:00 - [4] - Quote Yeah fused locus grenades should be available as a seperate AUR item in the market place, and not just a merc pack money grab, or stuck on standard fits like the raider and scout.
Rupture Reaperson Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 120	Posted - 2013.05.11 16:26:00 - [5] - Quote Winscar Shinobi wrote: Yeah fused locus grenades should be available as a seperate AUR item in the market place, and not just a merc pack money grab, or stuck on standard fits like the raider and scout. He is talking about the hacked AV nades, you know that, right?
Winscar Shinobi Better Hide R Die 171	Posted - 2013.05.11 16:35:00 - [6] - Quote Rupture Reaperson wrote: Winscar Shinobi wrote: Yeah fused locus grenades should be available as a seperate AUR item in the market place, and not just a merc pack money grab, or stuck on standard fits like the raider and scout. He is talking about the hacked AV nades, you know that, right? Yeah but he asked if there were any other things, so I suggested fused locus grenades.
Sephirian Fair Defensores Doctrina 57	Posted - 2013.05.11 16:41:00 - [7] - Quote AV Grenades and (90% sure) Remote Explosives still don't have any direct damage listed. AV's only have splash damage associated with them, neglecting direct damage and remote explosives and possibly proximity explosives have no damage stated what-so-ever.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4044	Posted - 2013.05.11 16:45:00 - [8] - Quote Sephirian Fair wrote: AV Grenades and (90% sure) Remote Explosives still don't have any direct damage listed. AV's only have splash damage associated with them, neglecting direct damage and remote explosives and possibly proximity explosives have no damage stated what-so-ever. less of this please, we looking for erroneous items not missing stats across the board.
Rossiya diya Trolley Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2013.05.11 16:55:00 - [9] - Quote Please go die
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1516	Posted - 2013.05.11 16:58:00 - [10] - Quote Rossiya diya Trolley wrote: Please go die Said the raging scrub to the CPM.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4046	Posted - 2013.05.11 16:59:00 - [11] - Quote Rossiya diya Trolley wrote: Please go die Thank you.
Rossiya diya Trolley Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:01:00 - [12] - Quote CPM **** polisher magnet? In video game land this ass fairy is someone, in real life he cant keep his basement clean.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4046	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:04:00 - [13] - Quote Rossiya diya Trolley wrote: CPM **** polisher magnet? In video game land this ass fairy is someone, in real life he cant keep his basement clean. I would if I had a basement, I built my own room btw.
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 178	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:06:00 - [14] - Quote Rossiya diya Trolley wrote: CPM **** polisher magnet? In video game land this ass fairy is someone, in real life he cant keep his basement clean. You can leave at any time..no one is keeping you here
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 527	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:07:00 - [15] - Quote u left betamax???????
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4048	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:09:00 - [16] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: u left betamax??????? Yes but I haven't had time to announce the reasons why.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1516	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:10:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: u left betamax??????? Yes but I haven't had time to announce the reasons why. you leave to settle some people's concerns about having two members of the CPM in the same corp? Or some other reason?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4048	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:11:00 - [18] - Quote gbghg wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: u left betamax??????? This, you leave to settle some people's concerns about having two members of the CPM in the same corp? Or some other reason? Other reason was supposed to do a Adopt-a-Wolf program of sorts where I would hang out with another corp for a bit and get a feel for their issues concerns and seeing their approach to meta none the less lets focus on the OT for now.
Lycuo On The Brink CRONOS. 7	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:13:00 - [19] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber your guys at CCP are going to have to help u with a couple of these since they need certain skills but ones i have found... Level 3 grendier unlocks an aurum based M2 contact locus grenade that can only be found if u go into fittings: edit fittings: edit grenade slot: go to market in the drop down menu... this is the only way i have been able to find them. Btw why isnt there an isk based variant since all aurum items are supposed to have an isk variant? There are other items found in this fashion (the edit fittings go to market type thing) but you need the skills to find them...
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1516	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:13:00 - [20] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: gbghg wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: u left betamax??????? This, you leave to settle some people's concerns about having two members of the CPM in the same corp? Or some other reason? Other reason was supposed to do a Adopt-a-Wolf program of sorts where I would hang out with another corp for a bit and get a feel for their issues concerns and seeing their approach to meta none the less lets focus on the OT for now. Nice to hear, you aiming for the corps that aren't very forum active?

Jack Kittinger DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:14:00 - [21] - Quote I was asking my friend who has been in DUST since the closed beta if these nonsense was something to be expected or just a part of the Uprising and prerelease jive... Not that there are many Sever Logi's running around with these items, as it costs 2m to spec into it and CCP didn't think it was important to tell us that INSIGNIFICANT detail Nanite Injectors Advanced tier 'Necromancer' Nanite Injector costs around 30 Aurum gives your buddy 80% armor on revival Prototype tier 'Whatchamacallit' Nanite Injector costs around 40 Aurum and does... the same thing... 80% armor
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 527	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:14:00 - [22] - Quote how about u make a channel where any1 can post there concerns
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 527	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:17:00 - [23] - Quote how about u make a channel where any1 can post there concerns
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4049	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:26:00 - [24] - Quote Lycuo wrote: Iron Wolf Saber your guys at CCP are going to have to help u with a couple of these since they need certain skills but ones i have found... Level 3 grendier unlocks an aurum based M2 contact locus grenade that can only be found if u go into fittings: edit fittings: edit grenade slot: go to market in the drop down menu... this is the only way i have been able to find them. Btw why isnt there an isk based variant since all aurum items are supposed to have an isk variant? There are other items found in this fashion (the edit fittings go to market type thing) but you need the skills to find them... More of this please!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4049	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:35:00 - [25] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: how about u make a channel where any1 can post there concerns There is one but people coming to me is no where near as effective as me going to them.
Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 27	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:38:00 - [26] - Quote Militia Vehicle Shield Regenerator BPO has requires 30 CPU; the BPC item only requires 25 CPU.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4050	Posted - 2013.05.11 17:43:00 - [27] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: Militia Vehicle Shield Regenerator BPO has requires 30 CPU; the BPC item only requires 25 CPU. Thank you.
Spacetits CDXX Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 281	Posted - 2013.05.11 18:01:00 - [28] - Quote The AUR Saga and Gunloggi still both have more CPU than the ISK versions.
Spacetits CDXX Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 281	Posted - 2013.05.11 18:07:00 - [29] - Quote Also, the 'Abyss' Drop Uplink still has a better spawn time modifier (-75%) than any of the ISK drop uplinks. It also has a unique downside in that it despawns on player death. Would like to see a matching ISK version if this item is to remain on the market. Honestly, not really better or worse than the proto ISK uplinks, but it is a variant type unique to AUR.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4051	Posted - 2013.05.11 18:25:00 - [30] - Quote Spacetits CDXX wrote: The AUR Saga and Gunloggi still both have more CPU than the ISK versions. Spacetits CDXX wrote: Also, the 'Abyss' Drop Uplink still has a better spawn time modifier (-75%) than any of the ISK drop uplinks. It also has a unique downside in that it despawns on player death. Would like to see a matching ISK version if this item is to remain on the market. Honestly, not really better or worse than the proto ISK uplinks, but it is a variant type unique to AUR. I would like a debate on these though because from the looks of it these where very intentional. The thread does focus on 'accidental' items mostly.

Winscar Shinobi Better Hide R Die 173	Posted - 2013.05.11 18:38:00 - [31] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Lycuo wrote: Iron Wolf Saber your guys at CCP are going to have to help u with a couple of these since they need certain skills but ones i have found... Level 3 grendier unlocks an aurum based M2 contact locus grenade that can only be found if u go into fittings: edit fittings: edit grenade slot: go to market in the drop down menu... this is the only way i have been able to find them. Btw why isnt there an isk based variant since all aurum items are supposed to have an isk variant? There are other items found in this fashion (the edit fittings go to market type thing) but you need the skills to find them... More of this please! Iron you have these listed in your OP as Merc Pack grenades. They aren't. They are just only purchasable through the drop suit fitting screen.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4053	Posted - 2013.05.11 18:42:00 - [32] - Quote Winscar Shinobi wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Lycuo wrote: Iron Wolf Saber your guys at CCP are going to have to help u with a couple of these since they need certain skills but ones i have found... Level 3 grendier unlocks an aurum based M2 contact locus grenade that can only be found if u go into fittings: edit fittings: edit grenade slot: go to market in the drop down menu... this is the only way i have been able to find them. Btw why isnt there an isk based variant since all aurum items are supposed to have an isk variant? There are other items found in this fashion (the edit fittings go to market type thing) but you need the skills to find them... More of this please! Iron you have these listed in your OP as Merc Pack grenades. They aren't. They are just only purchasable through the drop suit fitting screen. Sorry fixing now.
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 59	Posted - 2013.05.11 19:00:00 - [33] - Quote Active Shield Hardener has 10s Pulse & 30s Cooldown.....still. Values seem to have been Flipped & Ignored as Active Armor Hardener has 60s Pulse & 15s Cooldown. (For those who are bad @ Math that's 6x Pulse @ 1/2 Cooldown)
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 356	Posted - 2013.05.11 19:55:00 - [34] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Militia Vehicle Shield Regenerator BPO has requires 30 CPU; the BPC item only requires 25 CPU I'm pretty sure the nerfs to many of the MLT BPOs was intentional. It started happening on one of the ninja patches during chromosome. The most noticeable example was the 5% to PG + Shield + Shield Recharge. The BPC stayed at 5%, but the BPO was nerfd to 3%.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4056	Posted - 2013.05.11 19:56:00 - [35] - Quote 0 Try Harder wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Militia Vehicle Shield Regenerator BPO has requires 30 CPU; the BPC item only requires 25 CPU I'm pretty sure the nerfs to many of the MLT BPOs was intentional. It started happening on one of the ninja patches during chromosome. The most noticeable example was the 5% to PG + Shield + Shield Recharge. The BPC stayed at 5%, but the BPO was nerfd to 3%. This is generally not the case, the way eve looks at items they should all have the same stat.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 356	Posted - 2013.05.11 19:59:00 - [36] - Quote Also, I'm not sure that the devs will actually care about most of this. They might say they do, but all of these issues have been told to them, and they have acknowledged the feedback about them too. It wasn't a "this never got to the devs" it was a "this got to the devs and they said they are working on it, looking at it, or it was intentional".
icdedppul Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 5	Posted - 2013.05.11 20:02:00 - [37] - Quote the isk costs of proto light, med, hvy frames. why does the light cost more then the others why do they all cost more then specialized roles (scout,assault,logi,sentinel)
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4056	Posted - 2013.05.11 20:04:00 - [38] - Quote 0 Try Harder wrote: Also, I'm not sure that the devs will actually care about most of this. They might say they do, but all of these issues have been told to them, and they have acknowledged the feedback about them too. It wasn't a "this never got to the devs" it was a "this got to the devs and they said they are working on it, looking at it, or it was intentional". CPM was asked to turn a list in of erroneouss item to CCP, they're caring. CPM knows the items exist but couldn't list them all of at the top of their heads. So we need your guys' help on the topic.
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 242	Posted - 2013.05.11 20:04:00 - [39] - Quote icdedppul wrote: the isk costs of proto light, med, hvy frames. why does the light cost more then the others why do they all cost more then specialized roles (scout,assault,logi,sentinel) Yea. That makes zero sense.
0 Try Harder Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 356	Posted - 2013.05.11 20:04:00 - [40] - Quote oops, made that post before reading your last :P well the PG change was intentional - Blam was notified and he acknowledged in IRC I believe. Although it may have been through a PM. CCP made many small changes. Some of them shouldn't have been posted in notes and on forums, for instance all of the buffs and changes that happened to HAVs in chromosome would just create a lot of useless feedback on forums. There were plenty of "HAVs are OP QQQQQQQQ" threads already. But most of the ninja vehicle changes were good. I was a bit unhappy about the ninja PG nerf to LAVs in chromosome, but I had no idea they'd carry that over to all vehicles in Uprising. p.s. Have you seen this thread yet? I believe it will help with many of these issues in the future ^-^ And thanks for being more responsive about the community's concerns.

Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 81	Posted - 2013.05.11 20:08:00 - [41] - Quote XT-201 missile turret is bright pink.
Spacetits CDXX Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 282	Posted - 2013.05.11 20:13:00 - [42] - Quote Also, in a slightly different class of things, the Militia Cardiac Stimulant BPO (Yellow Pills) is still something players have in their inventory if they bought it pre-Uprising despite there being no other yellow pill items on the Market and the associated skill going away.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4056	Posted - 2013.05.11 20:15:00 - [43] - Quote Spec Ops Cipher wrote: XT-201 missile turret is bright pink. Seperate issue mind posting a bug report?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4056	Posted - 2013.05.11 20:16:00 - [44] - Quote Spacetits CDXX wrote: Also, in a slightly different class of things, the Militia Cardiac Stimulant BPO (Yellow Pills) is still something players have in their inventory if they bought it pre-Uprising despite there being no other yellow pill items on the Market and the associated skill going away. CCP fault for not removing them I see no reason to re-remove them again.
Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 27	Posted - 2013.05.11 20:19:00 - [45] - Quote Ironwolf, i would appreciate a better look into my topic about the concerns dropship pilots are facing, and then estimate for yourself what the appropriate response would be. After seeing your list of suggestions i would please encourage you to add a potential Drop Ship armor buff to Logistics and Assault classes, and just even leave them at the price they are at. Because those are the top tier Dropship vehicles available. Scaling down the price would mean there is a missing component in the Meta levels of the ships, when compared to HAV top-meta level vehicles, they are extremely un-equal. So please consider a revision to the suggested changes for future updates, this would be extremely thoughtful and a good move for dust as a whole, and i speak on the behalf of all veteran dust pilots when i say that. In a few minutes i will post useful suggestions for revisions to dropships that could be effectively implemented without ruining the experience for other classes as well: Card Drunook wrote: I just wanted to add another voice to the fact that right now dropships simply CANNOT pay for themselves. A good dropship pilot flying it as a gunship (which isn't really the role it's built for but that's a whole different discussion) can make a decent amount of SP but they will still get a tiny amount of ISK. This is talking about economics, not about leveling up skills. A dropship pilot cannot pay for themselves, it's as simple as that. I do feel the need to point out that the basic economics of DUST are about to change with planetary conquest. Right now the ONLY way to earn money is to lose less money in a round than you gain. With the possibility of selling clones as an income source Corps may soon start being more willing to pay for ISK inefficient roles. I'm waiting to see how it plays out in reality. As to people saying that they are too weak, I just have to say you're doing it wrong. A dropships defense is it's mobility, if you're getting shot down a lot it's because you're ALLOWING yourself to be shot. In real life helicopters stay alive not by being invulnerable to harm but simply by getting out of harms way. DUST works the same way. Yeva Kalsani wrote: HAVs already have to run from AFG, SL, and Proto AV grenade spam. Even the GOOD ones. Dropships are too weak for what they cost the player using them. They're like flying LAVs with more seats. You can talk about their speed all day long, but with fast FGs like the Assault type or the officer version, or Proto Swarms, they're turned into junk in a matter of seconds. The pilots have no time to react. What should they do, be flying out of range the entire match? Play floating spawn point? Garrett Blacknova wrote: So at the moment, HAVs are getting a 25% HP buff, and LAVs are gaining 60% (seriously? WTF is with that?), and Dropships are getting... ...drumroll... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Good job. Zatara Rought wrote: Honestly this may not be true to life, but unless pc maps are so big that dropships become more viable, I would have no problem if the base hp of specialized dropships was raised significantly if IF the price increased. Leave the base versions cheap, but make the advanced ones either super fast, or super tanky. I mean like enough to take 5 hits from an installation or 3 hits from a double modded proto forge. This is just me, so feel free to tell me to go biomass myself, but I think considering they can transport 5 guys...they should cost more and be able to stand the heat. I dunno about balance cause this is my 1st fps since like halo 3, but that's my 0.02 isk
Rupture Reaperson Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 121	Posted - 2013.05.11 20:57:00 - [46] - Quote Gonna derail a bit on the topic but I think its worth looking at, is CCP gonna consider reworking the assault variant for swarm lauchers? First of all their "special feature" doesnt work.. and even if it did would be really impractical, If want any ideas on how to make it relevant again, let me know I have a couple of ideas cooking. Ontopic: On the store the Ishukone proto assault swarm states that its uses 11 CPU when in the description it is 117.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4056	Posted - 2013.05.11 22:02:00 - [47] - Quote Please remain on topic posting my attention else where in hopes I would notice it again isn't the best way to keep me in good spirits if I was not asking for it. If its truely that important eve mail me at either Iron Wolf Saber or Nova Fox
Disturbingly Bored Universal Allies Inc. 204	Posted - 2013.05.11 22:06:00 - [48] - Quote Last I checked, Charge Sniper Rifle was a 6,000ish ISK proto weapon. Should probably be priced higher.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4056	Posted - 2013.05.11 22:20:00 - [49] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Last I checked, Charge Sniper Rifle was a 6,000ish ISK proto weapon. Should probably be priced higher. ED: Make that 2,460 ISK. Probably the cheapest side-grade proto weapon in the game. Thanks
Sephirian Fair Defensores Doctrina 57	Posted - 2013.05.12 01:07:00 - [50] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sephirian Fair wrote: AV Grenades and (90% sure) Remote Explosives still don't have any direct damage listed. AV's only have splash damage associated with them, neglecting direct damage and remote explosives and possibly proximity explosives have no damage stated what-so-ever. less of this please, we looking for erroneous items not missing stats across the board. shrugs They've been missing stats since E3 Build last year. I figured if you're taking the time to actually collect data, that might be something that would finally get fixed. I suppose we'll just leave 'em blank for another year.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4060	Posted - 2013.05.12 16:01:00 - [51] - Quote Sephirian Fair wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sephirian Fair wrote: AV Grenades and (90% sure) Remote Explosives still don't have any direct damage listed. AV's only have splash damage associated with them, neglecting direct damage and remote explosives and possibly proximity explosives have no damage stated what-so-ever. less of this please, we looking for erroneous items not missing stats across the board. shrugs They've been missing stats since E3 Build last year. I figured if you're taking the time to actually collect data, that might be something that would finally get fixed. I suppose we'll just leave 'em blank for another year. Its a separate issue though and we already poked ccp about missing attributes on items.
Thor Odinson42 Planetary Response Organization 209	Posted - 2013.05.12 16:09:00 - [52] - Quote How about a lack of any data on the new Merc pack items? If there is, I haven't found it.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4067	Posted - 2013.05.12 21:14:00 - [53] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: How about a lack of any data on the new Merc pack items? If there is, I haven't found it. Most of them should be listed in the market dump that is sticked in every section. That dump is missing slots and ranges though (slots I dont understand ranges are not listed because its a graph and not a number)
Dominus Fatali Nox Aeterna Security 75	Posted - 2013.05.16 21:00:00 - [54] - Quote The Gallente Light and Scout 1-Series have two high slots and two low slots, whereas the Proto level of both have only one high slot and four low slots. This may be intentional, but it is rather nonsensical.
Provolonee Undefined Risk DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 21:09:00 - [55] - Quote The militia vehicle active scanner has a distance of .8m - the standard has a distance of 80m . typo maybe. not sure if that was intentional but the enemy would have to be inside the passenger seat to be detected. the standard version works great.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 213	Posted - 2013.05.16 21:16:00 - [56] - Quote 0 Try Harder wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Militia Vehicle Shield Regenerator BPO has requires 30 CPU; the BPC item only requires 25 CPU I'm pretty sure the nerfs to many of the MLT BPOs was intentional. It started happening on one of the ninja patches during chromosome. The most noticeable example was the 5% to PG + Shield + Shield Recharge. The BPC stayed at 5%, but the BPO was nerfd to 3%. I was going to mention that one. The vehicle Powergrid Conditioner/Regulator/whatever-it's-called BPO. The description still reads that it provides 5% to PG, Shield, and Recharge, but the numbers applied are 3% instead.
Whallace DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 21:24:00 - [57] - Quote The third vehicle PG Upgrade module requires level 4 Engineering, instead of level 5. Making Level 5 engineering a complete and utter waste. (you only get 0.6 CPU savings for 350k SP).
Spacetits CDXX Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 313	Posted - 2013.05.18 19:04:00 - [58] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Spacetits CDXX wrote: Also, in a slightly different class of things, the Militia Cardiac Stimulant BPO (Yellow Pills) is still something players have in their inventory if they bought it pre-Uprising despite there being no other yellow pill items on the Market and the associated skill going away. CCP fault for not removing them I see no reason to re-remove them again. Mild necro to point out: it also is broken, adding the yellow pill BPO to any fitting makes the fitting invalid. It is also still on the market for AUR, so if you buy it you are just wasting AUR. Bug report here.
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 39	Posted - 2013.07.09 01:32:00 - [59] - Quote The ishukone gauged nanohive vs the ishukon nanohive. Both pro nanohives but the gauged variant is superior in every way. The regular ishukon says it provides a larger area but both have 7m radius
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers EoN. 159	Posted - 2013.07.09 01:37:00 - [60] - Quote 'Cistern' K-17D nanohive has no repair rate and has different CPU/PG values than it's namesake. Core Flaylock has a meta level of 1 and 2 PG cost. It is a proto weapon and neither of these values seem correct. Related perhaps?

EternalRMG ZionTCD 328	Posted - 2013.07.09 02:10:00 - [61] - Quote m8 locus grenades dont show in the assets tab or in the market, but they do in the fitting screen they are proto nades Got them from salvage
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5787	Posted - 2013.07.09 02:35:00 - [62] - Quote Thanks for the updates will forward.
Karazantor Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 53	Posted - 2013.07.09 02:57:00 - [63] - Quote Saga II LAV. Available under the normal market (not militia). Requires no skills Has better stats than basic saga. Far superior in every way to militia. 10k each? Not on my PS3 at present so the price is not 100% sure. Definitely looks like a mistake along the lines of the hacked AV grenades though.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5789	Posted - 2013.07.09 03:00:00 - [64] - Quote Karazantor wrote: Saga II LAV. Available under the normal market (not militia). Requires no skills Has better stats than basic saga. Far superior in every way to militia. 10k each? Not on my PS3 at present so the price is not 100% sure. Definitely looks like a mistake along the lines of the hacked AV grenades though. This was removed last night hopefully please reply back if its still in. Fiddlestaxp wrote: 'Cistern' K-17D nanohive has no repair rate and has different CPU/PG values than it's namesake. Core Flaylock has a meta level of 1 and 2 PG cost. It is a proto weapon and neither of these values seem correct. Related perhaps? Care to fully explain a bit? BTW guys thanks for helping out hopefully these will get resolved soon enough.
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 47	Posted - 2013.07.09 14:46:00 - [65] - Quote I think the aur grenades are pay to win. The contact grenades are really useful and they need to have an isk equivalent besides the proto variant. There is an uplink ('Abyss' Carthum Drop Uplink) that is only for AUR (spawn time really low but only works as long as deployer is alive) that needs isk equivalent. Aur turrets also have lower fitting requirements (PG/CPU) and feel that is PTW. No advanced proximity explosives No repair tool for installations (there was one in chromosome) The repair tool tree in general needs consolidation. Ferroscale need aur variants as well as reactive plates
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6204	Posted - 2013.07.16 06:24:00 - [66] - Quote Bumping up for new items updated the OP a bit will be going though confirming the list on my own as well.
Bill990988 Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.07.16 21:00:00 - [67] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Hey guys, Its been awhile since Uprising but we're still finding things that just don't seem to be the right price, can be bought in one place and not another. Despite best efforts the complexities of the markets still seems to keep seeping in occurrences that causes confusion or wonderment or we all know that are just plain wrong. So what types of items are we looking for? Few items of note: AURUM/Special Promotion Items available for sale via isk Example: Hacked AV Grenades from the Various Mercenary Packs was available for ISK. Items in which there is a disparity in power of the same meta-level Example: There vehicle shield extender module unlocked 2 modules at a certain level and one offered no advantage against the other in any category including fitting. Items that have improper Skill Requirements Example: Mobile CRU Module does not require the Mobile CRU Skill Example 2: An infantry Complex shield module required lvl 4 skills as opposed to lvl 5 skills as all other complex items do. Items that can be bought in market but not fitting, Items that can be bought in fitting but not market Example: M2 Contact grenades were for the longest time obtainable through the fitting screen once a player reached sufficient skill. Unfair value Example: Buying a Bundle yields less value equivalent to the items bought individually. Improper Pricing Scale Example: A prototype item was far cheaper than its basic counterpart in the same family Experimental Items Example: The Saga II was clearly not intended for player market and was a developer slip up. Typos So can you guys help ID any others of things you can currently buy and give a short stint as to why its messed up? Remember we're only making a short list of 'broken' items and not asking for things to get nerfed or balanced. Items Tracked so far: Hacked AV Grenades - Can be bought for Isk. - Resolved Drop Ships still Absurdly Priced. - Unresolved Aurum Prototype Injectors are far inferior to the Advanced Aurum Prototype Injectors. - ??? Needs Confirmation Militia Vehicle Shield Regenerator BPO has requires 30 CPU; the BPC item only requires 25 CPU - Resolved M2 Contact Grenades are available only purchasable through fitting window. - ??? Charged Snipe Rifle is still at old price and not the prototype price. - Resolved New Needs Confirmations Gallente Light/Scout Suit Progression from Advanced to Prototype nonsensed slot layout A 2H 2L => P 1H 4L Militia Vehicle Active Scanner distance of 0.8 meters vs Standard Vehicle Active Scanner 80m Prototype Powergrid Upgrade Requires Engineering lvl 4. Ishukone Gauged Nanohive vs Ishukone Nanohive disparity M8 Locus Grenade does not show in asset or market but found in fitting screen. Proximity Explosive have no Advanced Version So anything been changed? Or has this thread died with no blue tag responses? Or IWS give up?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6215	Posted - 2013.07.17 04:47:00 - [68] - Quote Bill990988 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Hey guys, Its been awhile since Uprising but we're still finding things that just don't seem to be the right price, can be bought in one place and not another. Despite best efforts the complexities of the markets still seems to keep seeping in occurrences that causes confusion or wonderment or we all know that are just plain wrong. So what types of items are we looking for? Few items of note: AURUM/Special Promotion Items available for sale via isk Example: Hacked AV Grenades from the Various Mercenary Packs was available for ISK. Items in which there is a disparity in power of the same meta-level Example: There vehicle shield extender module unlocked 2 modules at a certain level and one offered no advantage against the other in any category including fitting. Items that have improper Skill Requirements Example: Mobile CRU Module does not require the Mobile CRU Skill Example 2: An infantry Complex shield module required lvl 4 skills as opposed to lvl 5 skills as all other complex items do. Items that can be bought in market but not fitting, Items that can be bought in fitting but not market Example: M2 Contact grenades were for the longest time obtainable through the fitting screen once a player reached sufficient skill. Unfair value Example: Buying a Bundle yields less value equivalent to the items bought individually. Improper Pricing Scale Example: A prototype item was far cheaper than its basic counterpart in the same family Experimental Items Example: The Saga II was clearly not intended for player market and was a developer slip up. Typos So can you guys help ID any others of things you can currently buy and give a short stint as to why its messed up? Remember we're only making a short list of 'broken' items and not asking for things to get nerfed or balanced. Items Tracked so far: Hacked AV Grenades - Can be bought for Isk. - Resolved Drop Ships still Absurdly Priced. - Unresolved Aurum Prototype Injectors are far inferior to the Advanced Aurum Prototype Injectors. - ??? Needs Confirmation Militia Vehicle Shield Regenerator BPO has requires 30 CPU; the BPC item only requires 25 CPU - Resolved M2 Contact Grenades are available only purchasable through fitting window. - ??? Charged Snipe Rifle is still at old price and not the prototype price. - Resolved New Needs Confirmations Gallente Light/Scout Suit Progression from Advanced to Prototype nonsensed slot layout A 2H 2L => P 1H 4L Militia Vehicle Active Scanner distance of 0.8 meters vs Standard Vehicle Active Scanner 80m Prototype Powergrid Upgrade Requires Engineering lvl 4. Ishukone Gauged Nanohive vs Ishukone Nanohive disparity M8 Locus Grenade does not show in asset or market but found in fitting screen. Proximity Explosive have no Advanced Version So anything been changed? Or has this thread died with no blue tag responses? Or IWS give up? Actually I got tasked to update this.
Eurydice Itzhak Militaires Sans Jeux 113	Posted - 2013.07.17 05:06:00 - [69] - Quote Just Gunna throw it out there that the aur gunnlogi has more CPU than the isk version.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6215	Posted - 2013.07.17 05:32:00 - [70] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Just Gunna throw it out there that the aur gunnlogi has more CPU than the isk version. That may be intentioned. Ill try to have a discussion with marketing about 'fair' value of an AUR vehicle.

Syther Shadows The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 335	Posted - 2013.07.17 06:14:00 - [71] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: -snip-] Last time i checked the nanite injector's tools had 2 aur items doing the same thing but one costing less hope this helps
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6408	Posted - 2013.07.22 18:03:00 - [72] - Quote Quick bump going to do a quick confirmation pass on all items that I can.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6413	Posted - 2013.07.22 19:56:00 - [73] - Quote Okay sorting the list now you can add new items if you want.
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 760	Posted - 2013.07.22 20:01:00 - [74] - Quote Comfirming STD AUR injector with PRO ISK performance as of two days ago.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6414	Posted - 2013.07.22 20:14:00 - [75] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Comfirming STD AUR injector with PRO ISK performance as of two days ago. yeah just did a confirm pass a post back and updating
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 393	Posted - 2013.07.22 22:14:00 - [76] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Quick bump going to do a quick confirmation pass on all items that I can. ... Proto Scout carries same market price as Proto Medium/Heavy. In every exchange on the planet, under-performing items trade at deep discounts (i.e. junk bonds, penny stocks). In every store on the planet, broken or otherwise crappy items are shelved in Clearance aisles. - Shotty GoBang
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6418	Posted - 2013.07.22 23:12:00 - [77] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Quick bump going to do a quick confirmation pass on all items that I can. ... Proto Scout carries same market price as Proto Medium/Heavy. In every exchange on the planet, under-performing items trade at deep discounts (i.e. junk bonds, penny stocks). In every store on the planet, broken or otherwise crappy items are shelved in Clearance aisles. - Shotty GoBang Right now we don't have fluxuating NPC vendors like eve online does but it could be something that could be tried. Meanwhile I am not sure if all the proto suits are supposed to be in the same price pocket but will check around, aside from that the scout isn't that much better than the light even with the bonuses.
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven EoN. 94	Posted - 2013.07.22 23:50:00 - [78] - Quote I think Uprising 1.0 had a note saying that they standardized all the suit costs since Heavies were getting boned ISK wise. For some reason the Commando suit exists outside this right now.
Aqua-Regia Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 309	Posted - 2013.07.23 04:00:00 - [79] - Quote Not A Market Oddities Just Some CCP BS. Can you spot it? Militia Submachine Gun (BPC) & Militia Submachine Gun Blueprint (BPO) Description: A standard-issue semi-automatic weapon that is less efficient and bulkier than other variants Attributes: TypeProjectile Damage23.0 (HP) Rate of Fire1000.0 (RPM) Accuracy Rating51.7 Clip Size64 Max. Ammo480 Reload Time3.5 (s) Meta Level0 SlotSidearm CPU20 PG5 Required Skill:No Skills Required Price:(BPC: 270 ISK) // (BPO: 11,800 AUR) ==================== Submachine Gun (BPC) Description: The SMG is lightweight, semi-automatic weapon designed for close-quarters combat Attributes: TypeProjectile Damage23.0 (HP) Rate of Fire1000.0 (RPM) Accuracy Rating51.7 Clip Size80 Max. Ammo480 Reload Time3.0 (s) Meta Level1 SlotSidearm CPU15 PG3 Required Skill: -Weaponry LV:1 --Sidearm Operation LV:2 ---Submachine Gun Operation LV:1 Price:675 ISK ==================== Recruit Submachine Gun (BPO) Description: A Recruit-issue semi-automatic weapon that offers a slight performance upgrade over the Militia version Attributes: TypeProjectile Damage21.5 (HP) Rate of Fire1000.0 (RPM) Accuracy Rating51.7 Clip Size64 Max. Ammo480 Reload Time3.5 (s) Meta Level0 SlotSidearm CPU20 PG5 Required Skill:No Skills Required Price:Become a Recruit (25,000 WP) ==================== 'Toxin'ICD-9 Submachine Gun (BPO) Description: A modified version of the Republic's seminal light weapon adapted to fire doped slugs & 'Syndicate' Submachine Gun (BPO) Description: A cheap, reliable weapon first popularized by criminal organizations in the Curse region Attributes: TypeProjectile Damage23.0 (HP) Rate of Fire1000.0 (RPM) Accuracy Rating51.7 Clip Size80 Max. Ammo480 Reload Time3.0 (s) Meta Level1 SlotSidearm CPU15 PG3 Required Skill:No Skills Required Price:13,800 AUR Did you find CCP BS? Try looking again
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6451	Posted - 2013.07.23 05:26:00 - [80] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: Used Formating that made it difficult to get the point across and forced people do more work to see what is being said, yet luckily was not ignored.* Hmm requires some boiling. /me applies boiler. Recruit Submachine Gun (BPO) Damage21.5 (HP) Clip Size64 Reload Time3.5 (s) CPU20 PG5 Militia Submachine Gun (BPC) Militia Submachine Gun Blueprint (BPO) Damage23.0 (HP) Clip Size64 Max. Ammo480 Reload Time3.5 (s) CPU20 PG5 'Toxin'ICD-9 Submachine Gun (BPO) 'Syndicate' Submachine Gun (BPO) Damage23.0 (HP) Clip Size80 Reload Time3.0 (s) CPU15 PG3 Submachine Gun (BPC) Damage23.0 (HP) Clip Size80 Reload Time3.0 (s) CPU15 PG3 Nope don't see a problem.

richiesutie 2 Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 181	Posted - 2013.07.23 06:51:00 - [81] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: Used Formating that made it difficult to get the point across and forced people do more work to see what is being said, yet luckily was not ignored.* Hmm requires some boiling. /me applies boiler. Recruit Submachine Gun (BPO) Damage21.5 (HP) Clip Size64 Reload Time3.5 (s) CPU20 PG5 Militia Submachine Gun (BPC) Militia Submachine Gun Blueprint (BPO) Damage23.0 (HP) Clip Size64 Max. Ammo480 Reload Time3.5 (s) CPU20 PG5 'Toxin'ICD-9 Submachine Gun (BPO) 'Syndicate' Submachine Gun (BPO) Damage23.0 (HP) Clip Size80 Reload Time3.0 (s) CPU15 PG3 Submachine Gun (BPC) Damage23.0 (HP) Clip Size80 Reload Time3.0 (s) CPU15 PG3 Nope don't see a problem. Recruit has less dmg?
Aqua-Regia Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 310	Posted - 2013.07.23 18:15:00 - [82] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: Used Formating that made it difficult to get the point across and forced people do more work to see what is being said, yet luckily was not ignored.* Hmm requires some boiling. /me applies boiler. Recruit Submachine Gun (BPO) Damage21.5 (HP) Clip Size64 Reload Time3.5 (s) CPU20 PG5 Militia Submachine Gun (BPC) Militia Submachine Gun Blueprint (BPO) Damage23.0 (HP) Clip Size64 Max. Ammo480 Reload Time3.5 (s) CPU20 PG5 'Toxin'ICD-9 Submachine Gun (BPO) 'Syndicate' Submachine Gun (BPO) Damage23.0 (HP) Clip Size80 Reload Time3.0 (s) CPU15 PG3 Submachine Gun (BPC) Damage23.0 (HP) Clip Size80 Reload Time3.0 (s) CPU15 PG3 Nope don't see a problem. Recruit has less dmg? +1 yes
Aqua-Regia Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 318	Posted - 2013.07.23 23:55:00 - [83] - Quote is this to hard? tip: read the description
Aqua-Regia Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 318	Posted - 2013.07.23 23:59:00 - [84] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: Used Formating that made it difficult to get the point across and forced people do more work to see what is being said, yet luckily was not ignored.* Hmm requires some boiling. /me applies boiler. Recruit Submachine Gun (BPO) Damage21.5 (HP) Clip Size64 Reload Time3.5 (s) CPU20 PG5 Militia Submachine Gun (BPC) Militia Submachine Gun Blueprint (BPO) Damage23.0 (HP) Clip Size64 Max. Ammo480 Reload Time3.5 (s) CPU20 PG5 'Toxin'ICD-9 Submachine Gun (BPO) 'Syndicate' Submachine Gun (BPO) Damage23.0 (HP) Clip Size80 Reload Time3.0 (s) CPU15 PG3 Submachine Gun (BPC) Damage23.0 (HP) Clip Size80 Reload Time3.0 (s) CPU15 PG3 Nope don't see a problem. some smg stats are red herring
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 885	Posted - 2013.07.24 00:10:00 - [85] - Quote EDIT never mind, forums screwing with me...
Medic 1879 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 747	Posted - 2013.07.28 13:22:00 - [86] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: M8 Packed Locus Grenades seemed to have been removed from the game. Will poke around if thats the case. Just received a few more of these as salvage and as always they are not on the market and not in salvage. However I am now able to equip them from the fitting screen and restock them from there as well. I am sure I tried this before to see if they were in game and they were never on the fitting screen either.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 351	Posted - 2013.07.28 17:09:00 - [87] - Quote I noticed an oddity with the Gallente starter suit that isn't really a market issue, but still needs a correction similar to these things here. Basically the description is just a wall of text, that's it. A few presses of the return key should fix it.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6683	Posted - 2013.07.28 22:35:00 - [88] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: M8 Packed Locus Grenades seemed to have been removed from the game. Will poke around if thats the case. Just received a few more of these as salvage and as always they are not on the market and not in salvage. However I am now able to equip them from the fitting screen and restock them from there as well. I am sure I tried this before to see if they were in game and they were never on the fitting screen either. Thank you for clarifying I don't have the skills to fit these yet (thus cannot restock) Aside from that, can you or anyone else you know confirm a similar item? the tactical scrambler pistol which last i know of is drop only. Or officer weapons.
Medic 1879 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 756	Posted - 2013.07.28 23:18:00 - [89] - Quote I dont have the skills to fit them either, but as long as you put them on a suit even if it invalidates your fitting you can restock them. About the scramber pistol I have some IA5 tactical scrambler pistols in my assets which are equip-able but are not restock-able, not sure if those are the ones you mean.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6684	Posted - 2013.07.28 23:25:00 - [90] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: I dont have the skills to fit them either, but as long as you put them on a suit even if it invalidates your fitting you can restock them. About the scramber pistol I have some IA5 tactical scrambler pistols in my assets which are equip-able but are not restock-able, not sure if those are the ones you mean. Yup that is the only similar weapon I can think of.

RedRebelCork Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 240	Posted - 2013.07.30 10:13:00 - [91] - Quote The 'Dren' Scrambler Pistol that comes with the Eilte pack is a bit all over the place in terms of stats. It appears to have the stats of a basic SP, the fitting requirements of a militia SP and a meta level of 1. Either both the meta level or fitting reqs are wrong.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6760	Posted - 2013.07.30 13:13:00 - [92] - Quote I have confirmed the M8 Packed Locus Grenades are indeed erroneous to what end we're not sure but from what I understand they're not supposed to be dropping... period.
nicholas73 Neo Terran Corp 6	Posted - 2013.08.01 22:33:00 - [93] - Quote Some AUR BPO are missing, like for example the militia energized plating doesn't have a BPO version for Aurum. Not only that a few more items don't have BPOs. Is this by design?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6862	Posted - 2013.08.01 22:35:00 - [94] - Quote M8 Grenades are getting investigated now, no word back yet. As for militia bpo items it is likely by design in several cases usually most AV weapons are not BPO's for example as there are rarely any bpo vehicles themselves.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1434	Posted - 2013.08.01 22:35:00 - [95] - Quote I don't know if its been posted here.. doesn't look like it. Fused Locus Grenades and M2 'Cavity' Contact Grenades have exactly the same stats except the M2 costs 5 more AUR and requires Gren 3 or 4.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6875	Posted - 2013.08.01 22:37:00 - [96] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: I don't know if its been posted here.. doesn't look like it. Fused Locus Grenades and M2 'Cavity' Contact Grenades have exactly the same stats except the M2 costs 5 more AUR and requires Gren 3 or 4. Sounds odd will poke about adding to the list.
nicholas73 Neo Terran Corp 6	Posted - 2013.08.02 08:43:00 - [97] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: As for militia bpo items it is likely by design in several cases usually most AV weapons are not BPO's for example as there are rarely any bpo vehicles themselves. No I was not actually asking about AV or vehicle. But I was asking about things like the militia shield extender (vehicle) doesn't have a BPO but the militia heavy shield extender has a BPO and so do armour plates have their BPO versions. Same applies for militia energized plating (vehicle), this is not available in BPO but militia resistance amplifier BPO is available.
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 81	Posted - 2013.08.02 09:47:00 - [98] - Quote The Fused Locus Grenade, and M2 "Cavity' Contact Grenades cost different prices of aurum (15/20) and have the same stats. Fused are available earlier, and are cheaper in Aurum.
Dominus Fatali Nox Aeterna Security 208	Posted - 2013.09.14 16:52:00 - [99] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: Not A Market Oddities Just Some CCP BS. Can you spot it? Militia Submachine Gun (BPC) & Militia Submachine Gun Blueprint (BPO) Description: A standard-issue semi-automatic weapon that is less efficient and bulkier than other variants Attributes: TypeProjectile Damage23.0 (HP) Rate of Fire1000.0 (RPM) Accuracy Rating51.7 Clip Size64 Max. Ammo480 Reload Time3.5 (s) Meta Level0 SlotSidearm CPU20 PG5 Required Skill:No Skills Required Price:(BPC: 270 ISK) // (BPO: 11,800 AUR) ==================== Submachine Gun (BPC) Description: The SMG is lightweight, semi-automatic weapon designed for close-quarters combat Attributes: TypeProjectile Damage23.0 (HP) Rate of Fire1000.0 (RPM) Accuracy Rating51.7 Clip Size80 Max. Ammo480 Reload Time3.0 (s) Meta Level1 SlotSidearm CPU15 PG3 Required Skill: -Weaponry LV:1 --Sidearm Operation LV:2 ---Submachine Gun Operation LV:1 Price:675 ISK ==================== Recruit Submachine Gun (BPO) Description: A Recruit-issue semi-automatic weapon that offers a slight performance upgrade over the Militia version Attributes: TypeProjectile Damage21.5 (HP) Rate of Fire1000.0 (RPM) Accuracy Rating51.7 Clip Size64 Max. Ammo480 Reload Time3.5 (s) Meta Level0 SlotSidearm CPU20 PG5 Required Skill:No Skills Required Price:Become a Recruit (25,000 WP) ==================== 'Toxin'ICD-9 Submachine Gun (BPO) Description: A modified version of the Republic's seminal light weapon adapted to fire doped slugs & 'Syndicate' Submachine Gun (BPO) Description: A cheap, reliable weapon first popularized by criminal organizations in the Curse region Attributes: TypeProjectile Damage23.0 (HP) Rate of Fire1000.0 (RPM) Accuracy Rating51.7 Clip Size80 Max. Ammo480 Reload Time3.0 (s) Meta Level1 SlotSidearm CPU15 PG3 Required Skill:No Skills Required Price:13,800 AUR Did you find CCP BS? Try looking again Do I win? I noticed it a while ago, and assumed it was just a terminology misunderstanding.


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