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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 15:41:00 -
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Hey guys we know with Uprising quite a few items have been added to the market and its alot of chew, but CPM would like your help.
We know there are items in Uprising that odd, erroneous or just plain wrong and we're asking for your help to ID all of them.
Few items of note
Hacked AV grenades available for ISK. These grenades are supposed to be a merc pack only item not widely available.
There was another item that I couldn't remember off the top of my head (a shield one) that they both unlock at the same level but one of the two unlocked provided better stats and better price.
Can you guys help ID any others of things you can currently buy?
This includes anything that is 'obviously' pay to win items as well
Remember where only making a short list of 'broken' items and not asking for things to get nerfed or balanced. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:45:00 -
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Sephirian Fair wrote:AV Grenades and (90% sure) Remote Explosives still don't have any direct damage listed. AV's only have splash damage associated with them, neglecting direct damage and remote explosives and possibly proximity explosives have no damage stated what-so-ever.
less of this please, we looking for erroneous items not missing stats across the board. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:59:00 -
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Rossiya diya Trolley wrote:Please go die
Thank you. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:04:00 -
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Rossiya diya Trolley wrote:CPM **** polisher magnet?
In video game land this ass fairy is someone, in real life he cant keep his basement clean.
I would if I had a basement, I built my own room btw. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:09:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:u left betamax???????
Yes but I haven't had time to announce the reasons why. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:11:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Draxus Prime wrote:u left betamax??????? This, you leave to settle some people's concerns about having two members of the CPM in the same corp? Or some other reason?
Other reason was supposed to do a Adopt-a-Wolf program of sorts where I would hang out with another corp for a bit and get a feel for their issues concerns and seeing their approach to meta none the less lets focus on the OT for now. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:26:00 -
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Lycuo wrote:Iron Wolf Saber your guys at CCP are going to have to help u with a couple of these since they need certain skills but ones i have found...
Level 3 grendier unlocks an aurum based M2 contact locus grenade that can only be found if u go into fittings: edit fittings: edit grenade slot: go to market in the drop down menu... this is the only way i have been able to find them. Btw why isnt there an isk based variant since all aurum items are supposed to have an isk variant?
There are other items found in this fashion (the edit fittings go to market type thing) but you need the skills to find them...
More of this please! |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:35:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:how about u make a channel where any1 can post there concerns
There is one but people coming to me is no where near as effective as me going to them. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:43:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:Militia Vehicle Shield Regenerator BPO has requires 30 CPU; the BPC item only requires 25 CPU.
Thank you. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 18:25:00 -
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Spacetits CDXX wrote:The AUR Saga and Gunloggi still both have more CPU than the ISK versions.
Spacetits CDXX wrote:Also, the 'Abyss' Drop Uplink still has a better spawn time modifier (-75%) than any of the ISK drop uplinks. It also has a unique downside in that it despawns on player death. Would like to see a matching ISK version if this item is to remain on the market. Honestly, not really better or worse than the proto ISK uplinks, but it is a variant type unique to AUR.
I would like a debate on these though because from the looks of it these where very intentional. The thread does focus on 'accidental' items mostly. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 18:42:00 -
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Winscar Shinobi wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Lycuo wrote:Iron Wolf Saber your guys at CCP are going to have to help u with a couple of these since they need certain skills but ones i have found...
Level 3 grendier unlocks an aurum based M2 contact locus grenade that can only be found if u go into fittings: edit fittings: edit grenade slot: go to market in the drop down menu... this is the only way i have been able to find them. Btw why isnt there an isk based variant since all aurum items are supposed to have an isk variant?
There are other items found in this fashion (the edit fittings go to market type thing) but you need the skills to find them... More of this please! Iron you have these listed in your OP as Merc Pack grenades. They aren't. They are just only purchasable through the drop suit fitting screen.
Sorry fixing now. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 19:56:00 -
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0 Try Harder wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Militia Vehicle Shield Regenerator BPO has requires 30 CPU; the BPC item only requires 25 CPU I'm pretty sure the nerfs to many of the MLT BPOs was intentional. It started happening on one of the ninja patches during chromosome. The most noticeable example was the 5% to PG + Shield + Shield Recharge. The BPC stayed at 5%, but the BPO was nerfd to 3%.
This is generally not the case, the way eve looks at items they should all have the same stat. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 20:04:00 -
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0 Try Harder wrote:Also, I'm not sure that the devs will actually care about most of this. They might say they do, but all of these issues have been told to them, and they have acknowledged the feedback about them too. It wasn't a "this never got to the devs" it was a "this got to the devs and they said they are working on it, looking at it, or it was intentional".
CPM was asked to turn a list in of erroneouss item to CCP, they're caring. CPM knows the items exist but couldn't list them all of at the top of their heads. So we need your guys' help on the topic. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 20:15:00 -
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Spec Ops Cipher wrote:XT-201 missile turret is bright pink.
Seperate issue mind posting a bug report? |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 20:16:00 -
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Spacetits CDXX wrote:Also, in a slightly different class of things, the Militia Cardiac Stimulant BPO (Yellow Pills) is still something players have in their inventory if they bought it pre-Uprising despite there being no other yellow pill items on the Market and the associated skill going away.
CCP fault for not removing them I see no reason to re-remove them again. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:02:00 -
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Please remain on topic posting my attention else where in hopes I would notice it again isn't the best way to keep me in good spirits if I was not asking for it. If its truely that important eve mail me at either Iron Wolf Saber or Nova Fox |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:20:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:Last I checked, Charge Sniper Rifle was a 6,000ish ISK proto weapon. Should probably be priced higher.
ED: Make that 2,460 ISK. Probably the cheapest side-grade proto weapon in the game.
Thanks |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.12 16:01:00 -
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Sephirian Fair wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sephirian Fair wrote:AV Grenades and (90% sure) Remote Explosives still don't have any direct damage listed. AV's only have splash damage associated with them, neglecting direct damage and remote explosives and possibly proximity explosives have no damage stated what-so-ever. less of this please, we looking for erroneous items not missing stats across the board. *shrugs* They've been missing stats since E3 Build last year. I figured if you're taking the time to actually collect data, that might be something that would finally get fixed. I suppose we'll just leave 'em blank for another year.
Its a separate issue though and we already poked ccp about missing attributes on items. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.12 21:14:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:How about a lack of any data on the new Merc pack items? If there is, I haven't found it.
Most of them should be listed in the market dump that is sticked in every section. That dump is missing slots and ranges though (slots I dont understand ranges are not listed because its a graph and not a number) |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:35:00 -
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Thanks for the updates will forward. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:00:00 -
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Karazantor wrote:Saga II LAV.
Available under the normal market (not militia).
Requires no skills Has better stats than basic saga. Far superior in every way to militia. 10k each?
Not on my PS3 at present so the price is not 100% sure.
Definitely looks like a mistake along the lines of the hacked AV grenades though.
This was removed last night hopefully please reply back if its still in.
Fiddlestaxp wrote:'Cistern' K-17D nanohive has no repair rate and has different CPU/PG values than it's namesake. Core Flaylock has a meta level of 1 and 2 PG cost. It is a proto weapon and neither of these values seem correct. Related perhaps?
Care to fully explain a bit?
BTW guys thanks for helping out hopefully these will get resolved soon enough. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.07.16 06:24:00 -
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Bumping up for new items updated the OP a bit will be going though confirming the list on my own as well. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.07.17 04:47:00 -
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Bill990988 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Hey guys, Its been awhile since Uprising but we're still finding things that just don't seem to be the right price, can be bought in one place and not another. Despite best efforts the complexities of the markets still seems to keep seeping in occurrences that causes confusion or wonderment or we all know that are just plain wrong. So what types of items are we looking for? Few items of note:
- AURUM/Special Promotion Items available for sale via isk
Example: Hacked AV Grenades from the Various Mercenary Packs was available for ISK.
- Items in which there is a disparity in power of the same meta-level
Example: There vehicle shield extender module unlocked 2 modules at a certain level and one offered no advantage against the other in any category including fitting.
- Items that have improper Skill Requirements
Example: Mobile CRU Module does not require the Mobile CRU Skill Example 2: An infantry Complex shield module required lvl 4 skills as opposed to lvl 5 skills as all other complex items do.
- Items that can be bought in market but not fitting, Items that can be bought in fitting but not market
Example: M2 Contact grenades were for the longest time obtainable through the fitting screen once a player reached sufficient skill.
- Unfair value
Example: Buying a Bundle yields less value equivalent to the items bought individually.
- Improper Pricing Scale
Example: A prototype item was far cheaper than its basic counterpart in the same family
- Experimental Items
Example: The Saga II was clearly not intended for player market and was a developer slip up.
- Typos
So can you guys help ID any others of things you can currently buy and give a short stint as to why its messed up?
Remember we're only making a short list of 'broken' items and not asking for things to get nerfed or balanced.
Items Tracked so far:
- Hacked AV Grenades - Can be bought for Isk. - Resolved
- Drop Ships still Absurdly Priced. - Unresolved
- Aurum Prototype Injectors are far inferior to the Advanced Aurum Prototype Injectors. - ??? Needs Confirmation
- Militia Vehicle Shield Regenerator BPO has requires 30 CPU; the BPC item only requires 25 CPU - Resolved
- M2 Contact Grenades are available only purchasable through fitting window. - ???
- Charged Snipe Rifle is still at old price and not the prototype price. - Resolved
New Needs Confirmations
- Gallente Light/Scout Suit Progression from Advanced to Prototype nonsensed slot layout A 2H 2L => P 1H 4L
- Militia Vehicle Active Scanner distance of 0.8 meters vs Standard Vehicle Active Scanner 80m
- Prototype Powergrid Upgrade Requires Engineering lvl 4.
- Ishukone Gauged Nanohive vs Ishukone Nanohive disparity
- M8 Locus Grenade does not show in asset or market but found in fitting screen.
- Proximity Explosive have no Advanced Version
So anything been changed? Or has this thread died with no blue tag responses? Or IWS give up?
Actually I got tasked to update this. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.07.17 05:32:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Just Gunna throw it out there that the aur gunnlogi has more CPU than the isk version.
That may be intentioned. Ill try to have a discussion with marketing about 'fair' value of an AUR vehicle. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:03:00 -
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Quick bump going to do a quick confirmation pass on all items that I can. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:56:00 -
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Okay sorting the list now you can add new items if you want. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.07.22 20:14:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Comfirming STD AUR injector with PRO ISK performance as of two days ago.
yeah just did a confirm pass a post back and updating |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.07.22 23:12:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Quick bump going to do a quick confirmation pass on all items that I can. ...
Proto Scout carries same market price as Proto Medium/Heavy. In every exchange on the planet, under-performing items trade at deep discounts (i.e. junk bonds, penny stocks). In every store on the planet, broken or otherwise crappy items are shelved in Clearance aisles. - Shotty GoBang
Right now we don't have fluxuating NPC vendors like eve online does but it could be something that could be tried.
Meanwhile I am not sure if all the proto suits are supposed to be in the same price pocket but will check around, aside from that the scout isn't that much better than the light even with the bonuses. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.07.23 05:26:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote: Used Formating that made it difficult to get the point across and forced people do more work to see what is being said, yet luckily was not ignored.*
Hmm requires some boiling.
/me applies boiler.
Recruit Submachine Gun (BPO) Damage21.5 (HP) Clip Size64 Reload Time3.5 (s) CPU20 PG5
Militia Submachine Gun (BPC) Militia Submachine Gun Blueprint (BPO)
Damage23.0 (HP) Clip Size64 Max. Ammo480 Reload Time3.5 (s) CPU20 PG5
'Toxin'ICD-9 Submachine Gun (BPO) 'Syndicate' Submachine Gun (BPO) Damage23.0 (HP) Clip Size80 Reload Time3.0 (s) CPU15 PG3
Submachine Gun (BPC) Damage23.0 (HP) Clip Size80 Reload Time3.0 (s) CPU15 PG3
Nope don't see a problem. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.07.28 22:35:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
- M8 Packed Locus Grenades seemed to have been removed from the game. Will poke around if thats the case.
Just received a few more of these as salvage and as always they are not on the market and not in salvage. However I am now able to equip them from the fitting screen and restock them from there as well. I am sure I tried this before to see if they were in game and they were never on the fitting screen either.
Thank you for clarifying I don't have the skills to fit these yet (thus cannot restock)
Aside from that, can you or anyone else you know confirm a similar item? the tactical scrambler pistol which last i know of is drop only. Or officer weapons. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.07.28 23:25:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:I dont have the skills to fit them either, but as long as you put them on a suit even if it invalidates your fitting you can restock them.
About the scramber pistol I have some IA5 tactical scrambler pistols in my assets which are equip-able but are not restock-able, not sure if those are the ones you mean.
Yup that is the only similar weapon I can think of. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:13:00 -
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I have confirmed the M8 Packed Locus Grenades are indeed erroneous to what end we're not sure but from what I understand they're not supposed to be dropping... period. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.08.01 22:35:00 -
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M8 Grenades are getting investigated now, no word back yet.
As for militia bpo items it is likely by design in several cases usually most AV weapons are not BPO's for example as there are rarely any bpo vehicles themselves. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.08.01 22:37:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:I don't know if its been posted here.. doesn't look like it.
Fused Locus Grenades and M2 'Cavity' Contact Grenades have exactly the same stats except the M2 costs 5 more AUR and requires Gren 3 or 4.
Sounds odd will poke about adding to the list. |
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