[from a tanker] You tell'em man.

We should start a petition to have the electronics skill for dropsuits nerfed the same way the engineering skill for vehicles was nerfed. I think that'd about even things up.

LAVs will be horrible if they get that much extra HP.

Seriously. Just... wow.

Been thinking about it and thought "not so bad" until today... and NO. Just no.

LAVs. LAVs everywhere! And with 60% more HP, that'll mean 60% more LAVs. Which means ALL THE LAVS!

That's anal. Don't screw us because they screwed you, screw them by not buying any more AURUM.

As for the DShips, they need some luv yea, but don't touch the Forge. Your best defense against them is trucking around. Takes at least 4 seconds to prime the thing, and it glows like a beacon... if this were a realistic war game you wouldn't ask them to nerf the RPG for the sake of your Tilt-rotor/Helicopter.

But this isn't a realistic war sim, we're flying aircraft which are shielded, which are supposed yo take that first hit and hive vehicles a chance to get away. .

[from a tanker] You tell'em man.

We should start a petition to have the electronics skill for dropsuits nerfed the same way the engineering skill for vehicles was nerfed. I think that'd about even things up.

That works both ways. We are shooting a shield piercing rod of destruction designed to destroy your shielded flying vehicle. You think New Eden spent all of it's time just making a DShip and not something to kill it?

AV is OP,

tanks are OP in infantry-only matches with people without AV weapons,

what to do?

people complain about tanks because they get owned by them but the people who are complaining aren't using AV.

so because of that DS pilots get screwed over.

who cares about LAVs so much to complain that they are dying too quickly whilst driving them? are the complainers even taking note of which gun they're being killed with?

I could say ''dam I just got taken out in one shot, that thing is OP'' whereas in reality I was shot with a proto weapon with skills whilst driving a standard LAV with no vehicle skills.

this game will take months to balance out :/

it's impossible (literally, you hear tankers complain...

Wow, I was so pissed off when I first posted in this thread, kinda amusing looking back... Or maybe not(ill just get angry again).

I ragequit IRC earlier hardcore, listening to a bunch of infantry guys saying dropships are fine is beyond infuriating.

No. You can't have your buffs until I have my fighter to take you down in.

No buffs required on Dropships. This latest build made them better than HAVs (until main turret elevations get fixed.)

If you can't work around your limitations, then you're essentially useless and need to quit playing the game. No one is here to hand hold you.

Quick question, what HAV pilot has managed to shoot down an Assault Dropship?

Yeah it's something that can't exactly be done now that turret elevation is a bit crippled. Either way, risk-reward. Go ask EVE pilots about this sort of thing.

No I'm well aware that AV weapons would have developed to counter shields, but you'd expect for there to be an additional defense mechanism, such as some kind of threat detection or countermeasure to help balance things out. Right now any level of AV is enough to keep dropships high in the sky, being ineffective and not contributing much to our team.

Just another bitter tanker, you aren't the only group of players entitled to a buff douchebag.

Tankers = Wahhh, Nerf Everything, Buff Tanks!

Quick question, what HAV pilot has managed to shoot down an Assault Dropship?

Yeah it's something that can't exactly be done now that turret elevation is a bit crippled. Either way, risk-reward. Go ask EVE pilots about this sort of thing.

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Once again, there could be a countermeasure to the countermeasure. Thinking along the lines of 'anti-anti-missile-missiles' will keep us going in circles forever. Also, the Forge and other railgun and rocket systems don't lock on period, so there can be no early warning system (Swarms are MISSILES, not rockets. Rockets in EVE nomenclature are strong, but dumb, missiles are smart but weaker.)

I ragequit IRC earlier hardcore, listening to a bunch of infantry guys saying dropships are fine is beyond infuriating.

Swarm launcher do lock on, and we should be able to detect that quite easily, after all modern tech can detect lock ons. And have you missed all that's discharge when the forge gun is charging up? It's creates such a bright spot if your lucky and paying very close attention you can spot it from the air, sensors should light that thing up on the map for all to see.

Well, just going to put it out there not to fret; not all infantry players are that dense. I run infantry and specced on FG, and I agree, dropships are in dire need of serious improvements. Those dudes on IRC don't know what they're talking about. Before they're anywhere near being "fine", dropships could use a +100% buff, and AV warning systems, and proper WP rewards for the pilot. If you're wondering why I'd push so much for this, it's because properly functional dropship economy would only feed into helping combat get more diverse. And that's sorely needed.

What petition can I sign so they hurry up on fixing this?

No buffs required on Dropships. This latest build made them better than HAVs (until main turret elevations get fixed.)

Swarm launcher do lock on, and we should be able to detect that quite easily, after all modern tech can detect lock ons. And have you missed all that's discharge when the forge gun is charging up? It's creates such a bright spot if your lucky and paying very close attention you can spot it from the air, sensors should light that thing up on the map for all to see.

You guys want to talk technological realism? When you die the nanites in your body eat through your suit so that nothing is left behind for the enemy to recover. So if we had realistic technology, why wouldn't we just release a swarm of nanites on the field to eat our enemies from the inside like the Vashta Nerada? Answer: because it'd be fracking stupid, gameplay wise. That's not even getting into things like "why don't we just precision strike the pants off of the entire team?"

What I'm getting at is, drop the realism discussion. We're pretty far from realistic here, because realistic isn't fun. Neither is being insta-gibbed without any opportunity to react.

You do realize I said Swarms were the exception to the lock on rule? You are only hearing what you want to hear there. Furthermore, do you want your cockpit to whine at you every time someone fires a Forge Gun or Missile on the map? Think about that, remember how many people use missile turrets.

I have to ask you a serious question
Are you sure you didnt just crash you drop ship in panic because someone shot at you? Because Ive taken shots and ships with a rifle and seen pilots freak out and try to run away and end up crashing themselves and losing the ship

AV is OP,

tanks are OP in infantry-only matches with people without AV weapons,

what to do?

people complain about tanks because they get owned by them but the people who are complaining aren't using AV.

so because of that DS pilots get screwed over.

who cares about LAVs so much to complain that they are dying too quickly whilst driving them? are the complainers even taking note of which gun they're being killed with?

I could say ''dam I just got taken out in one shot, that thing is OP'' whereas in reality I was shot with a proto weapon with skills whilst driving a standard LAV with no vehicle skills.

this game will take months to balance out :/