DUST Search - And Once Again, Dropships are Dead

Zero Harpuia wrote:

gbghg wrote:

Zero Harpuia wrote:

Ignoble Son wrote:

[from a tanker] You tell'em man.

We should start a petition to have the electronics skill for dropsuits nerfed the same way the engineering skill for vehicles was nerfed. I think that'd about even things up.

That's anal. Don't screw us because they screwed you, screw them by not buying any more AURUM.

As for the DShips, they need some luv yea, but don't touch the Forge. Your best defense against them is trucking around. Takes at least 4 seconds to prime the thing, and it glows like a beacon... if this were a realistic war game you wouldn't ask them to nerf the RPG for the sake of your Tilt-rotor/Helicopter.

But this isn't a realistic war sim, we're flying aircraft which are shielded, which are supposed yo take that first hit and hive vehicles a chance to get away. .

That works both ways. We are shooting a shield piercing rod of destruction designed to destroy your shielded flying vehicle. You think New Eden spent all of it's time just making a DShip and not something to kill it?

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Icy Xenosmilus Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 172	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:36:00 - [1] - Quote CCP. You give the goddamn militia LAV A 60% HP BOOST NO ONE ASKED FOR, YET CONTINUE TO F** OVER DROPSHIP PILOTS. I've lost 20 Million just cause every time I start getting about 2-3 kills in my Assault Drop ship, it's impossible (literally, you hear tankers complain, but there problems are nothing to this) to stay alive. My ship costs me 947 000 ISK. Yet, any 30 k ISK forge gun just instantly kills it. It's got 4 k total HP, but it's just ridiculous. So, as of now and similar to every build, drop ships get ** on since again. CCP give drop ships a 70% HP boost, reduce the cost, or do something, because we're just million ISK flying deathtraps as of now. Also, most kills I've gotten in a game with my Python is 13, and I lost 2 mill either way.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 330	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:46:00 - [2] - Quote I don't want any more promised either. As before, promises are all empty and they end up doing the opposite buff DS/balance AV? BUFF AV decrease ds price? INCREASE PRICE get around to giving WP after a year of saying so? Don't give WP nerf PG adding back infinite range to FG blah blah blah
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 205	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:50:00 - [3] - Quote [from a tanker] You tell'em man. We should start a petition to have the electronics skill for dropsuits nerfed the same way the engineering skill for vehicles was nerfed. I think that'd about even things up.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1509	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:56:00 - [4] - Quote ******* ridiculous give every bloody AV weapon a damage boost but leave dropships health the same. I lost a dropship in a match today that I wouldn't have list in a match yesterday cause of this damn damn damage buff.
Zero Harpuia WarRavens Orion Empire 449	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:58:00 - [5] - Quote Ignoble Son wrote: [from a tanker] You tell'em man. We should start a petition to have the electronics skill for dropsuits nerfed the same way the engineering skill for vehicles was nerfed. I think that'd about even things up. That's anal. Don't screw us because they screwed you, screw them by not buying any more AURUM. As for the DShips, they need some luv yea, but don't touch the Forge. Your best defense against them is trucking around. Takes at least 4 seconds to prime the thing, and it glows like a beacon... if this were a realistic war game you wouldn't ask them to nerf the RPG for the sake of your Tilt-rotor/Helicopter.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2913	Posted - 2013.05.11 01:03:00 - [6] - Quote LAVs will be horrible if they get that much extra HP. Seriously. Just... wow. Been thinking about it and thought "not so bad" until today... and NO. Just no. LAVs. LAVs everywhere! And with 60% more HP, that'll mean 60% more LAVs. Which means ALL THE LAVS!
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 261	Posted - 2013.05.11 01:09:00 - [7] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: LAVs will be horrible if they get that much extra HP. Seriously. Just... wow. Been thinking about it and thought "not so bad" until today... and NO. Just no. LAVs. LAVs everywhere! And with 60% more HP, that'll mean 60% more LAVs. Which means ALL THE LAVS! so now militia LAV's beat militia AA weapons? that seems wildly OP, and I drive the damn things(standard grade though, and have not played a match today).
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1511	Posted - 2013.05.11 01:25:00 - [8] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Ignoble Son wrote: [from a tanker] You tell'em man. We should start a petition to have the electronics skill for dropsuits nerfed the same way the engineering skill for vehicles was nerfed. I think that'd about even things up. That's anal. Don't screw us because they screwed you, screw them by not buying any more AURUM. As for the DShips, they need some luv yea, but don't touch the Forge. Your best defense against them is trucking around. Takes at least 4 seconds to prime the thing, and it glows like a beacon... if this were a realistic war game you wouldn't ask them to nerf the RPG for the sake of your Tilt-rotor/Helicopter. But this isn't a realistic war sim, we're flying aircraft which are shielded, which are supposed yo take that first hit and hive vehicles a chance to get away. And 4 seconds is very important to dropship pilots, by the time we get fit your already charging again, in those 4 seconds we have to regain control of the aircraft, figure out what we got hit by and from where, get our vehicle moving which involves building momentum which takes time, and activate modules which often have a 2-3 second start up time. When your flying every second counts. And here's an interesting fact, an onikuma(free LAV) has under the new HP buff, 93 more base shield than the python, and only 274 less armour, yes on base stats the free shield LAV is only 181 HP weaker than the 690k ADS.
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1708	Posted - 2013.05.11 01:33:00 - [9] - Quote Bah ha ha
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1708	Posted - 2013.05.11 01:34:00 - [10] - Quote Sandwiches

Zero Harpuia WarRavens Orion Empire 449	Posted - 2013.05.11 01:37:00 - [11] - Quote gbghg wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Ignoble Son wrote: [from a tanker] You tell'em man. We should start a petition to have the electronics skill for dropsuits nerfed the same way the engineering skill for vehicles was nerfed. I think that'd about even things up. That's anal. Don't screw us because they screwed you, screw them by not buying any more AURUM. As for the DShips, they need some luv yea, but don't touch the Forge. Your best defense against them is trucking around. Takes at least 4 seconds to prime the thing, and it glows like a beacon... if this were a realistic war game you wouldn't ask them to nerf the RPG for the sake of your Tilt-rotor/Helicopter. But this isn't a realistic war sim, we're flying aircraft which are shielded, which are supposed yo take that first hit and hive vehicles a chance to get away. . That works both ways. We are shooting a shield piercing rod of destruction designed to destroy your shielded flying vehicle. You think New Eden spent all of it's time just making a DShip and not something to kill it?
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 4	Posted - 2013.05.11 01:53:00 - [12] - Quote I know right!! I so hope they meant they want to give that HP boost to ALL dropships, Assault and otherwise. When has anyone ever complained that their free 'car' gets blown up easily? This game has the potential to be badass! The dropships either need a 25-50% inbuilt resist bonus or the same percentages in a HP buff. I was in my python last night (nearly totally maxed out sp wise, yes i did go there) i was circling a few red dots at an objective, trying my best to hit them with my proto missile splash, when out of no where a forge gunner spawns in, so i hual ass out of there, but im unable to even escape range before he gets 2 - 3 forge blasts on me and fucks me in the bum hole. Funnily missiles are alright you might even say balanced. They hit you, do some reasonable damage but you can escape and come back later on. The forge gun on the other hand just welps dropships too hard. Part of the problem being the collision impact really makes it hard to keep control. Oh by the way I would LOVE a gun camera for my pilots gun. Incidentally i must have lost about 20m`s worth of dropships so far testing them. about 1m ish per time....
Delta 749 Maverick Security Consulting 38	Posted - 2013.05.11 04:05:00 - [13] - Quote I have to ask you a serious question Are you sure you didnt just crash you drop ship in panic because someone shot at you? Because Ive taken shots and ships with a rifle and seen pilots freak out and try to run away and end up crashing themselves and losing the ship
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 236	Posted - 2013.05.11 04:24:00 - [14] - Quote Yeahhhh its a damn shame you cant go 20 and 2 with a troop transportation vehicle..... Dropships should be used for moving troops quickly from point A to point B, your NOT meant to run and gun like some tank. Your purpose is to hot drop heavy forgers on a tank. I don't know what you guys expect, I mean the dropship is essentially a flying LAV..... its advantage as an LAV are that it doesn't have to worry as much about structures and other things. Trust me, as maps get bigger so too will the importance of Dropship pilots.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2906	Posted - 2013.05.11 04:25:00 - [15] - Quote CCP + Dropship = Lip Service Assault is amusing, I have to give it that.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 60	Posted - 2013.05.11 13:06:00 - [16] - Quote Hitpoints-wise dropships are ok to me. They should however be much cheaper, both in chassis and modules. That way you wouldn't fret it if you lost one. We'd see much more daring maneuvers in public matches than right now. Right now the ISK-value of dropships is so high that the dropship itself is worth more to the pilot than any tactical advantage on the battlefield. That's crazy.
Groza Tragediya Opus Arcana Orion Empire 99	Posted - 2013.05.11 13:10:00 - [17] - Quote Lol ive been saying this for ever. AV is too strong, swarms reach too far, forges do too much damage, AV nades rearm too quickly AND do too much damage.
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.05.11 13:13:00 - [18] - Quote Ignoble Son wrote: [from a tanker] You tell'em man. We should start a petition to have the electronics skill for dropsuits nerfed the same way the engineering skill for vehicles was nerfed. I think that'd about even things up. +1
CrotchGrab 360 Better Hide R Die 37	Posted - 2013.05.11 13:19:00 - [19] - Quote AV is OP, tanks are OP in infantry-only matches with people without AV weapons, what to do? people complain about tanks because they get owned by them but the people who are complaining aren't using AV. so because of that DS pilots get screwed over. who cares about LAVs so much to complain that they are dying too quickly whilst driving them? are the complainers even taking note of which gun they're being killed with? I could say ''dam I just got taken out in one shot, that thing is OP'' whereas in reality I was shot with a proto weapon with skills whilst driving a standard LAV with no vehicle skills. this game will take months to balance out :/
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1514	Posted - 2013.05.11 13:30:00 - [20] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: gbghg wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Ignoble Son wrote: [from a tanker] You tell'em man. We should start a petition to have the electronics skill for dropsuits nerfed the same way the engineering skill for vehicles was nerfed. I think that'd about even things up. That's anal. Don't screw us because they screwed you, screw them by not buying any more AURUM. As for the DShips, they need some luv yea, but don't touch the Forge. Your best defense against them is trucking around. Takes at least 4 seconds to prime the thing, and it glows like a beacon... if this were a realistic war game you wouldn't ask them to nerf the RPG for the sake of your Tilt-rotor/Helicopter. But this isn't a realistic war sim, we're flying aircraft which are shielded, which are supposed yo take that first hit and hive vehicles a chance to get away. . That works both ways. We are shooting a shield piercing rod of destruction designed to destroy your shielded flying vehicle. You think New Eden spent all of it's time just making a DShip and not something to kill it? No I'm well aware that AV weapons would have developed to counter shields, but you'd expect for there to be an additional defense mechanism, such as some kind of threat detection or countermeasure to help balance things out. Right now any level of AV is enough to keep dropships high in the sky, being ineffective and not contributing much to our team.

Illendar Cortharis Digital Mercs 1	Posted - 2013.05.12 21:07:00 - [21] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: AV is OP, tanks are OP in infantry-only matches with people without AV weapons, what to do? people complain about tanks because they get owned by them but the people who are complaining aren't using AV. so because of that DS pilots get screwed over. who cares about LAVs so much to complain that they are dying too quickly whilst driving them? are the complainers even taking note of which gun they're being killed with? I could say ''dam I just got taken out in one shot, that thing is OP'' whereas in reality I was shot with a proto weapon with skills whilst driving a standard LAV with no vehicle skills. this game will take months to balance out :/ Quick question, what HAV pilot has managed to shoot down an Assault Dropship? Yeah it's something that can't exactly be done now that turret elevation is a bit crippled. Either way, risk-reward. Go ask EVE pilots about this sort of thing.
SILVERBACK 02 BetaMax. CRONOS. 15	Posted - 2013.05.12 21:11:00 - [22] - Quote DOUBLE DROPSHIP HPS end of discussion... i dont have to explain myself take a look at your forums, its littered with rants etc.. DROPSHIPS are outmatched in nearly every single form of engagement on this game.. from the lonely sniper to the ASSAULT FORGE GUN even small arms fire has the potential to shootdown A DROPSHIP if not take out the gunner rendering the air platform completly useless IM BEGGING YOU CCP it would definatly enhance the gameplay experiance for the players that dont actually get to kill anything^ half PRICE double HPS WHOS WITH ME!!! petition OPEN! like if you agree :)
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 27	Posted - 2013.05.12 21:20:00 - [23] - Quote Icy Xenosmilus wrote: it's impossible (literally, you hear tankers complain... I don't think that means what you think it does. It is not literally impossible to stay alive in a dropship. In fact, it is precisely the opposite. Virtually, metaphorically impossible. However, it is not literally impossible. English 101 (or even 5th grade vocab class) teaches you this. ................................................... Yeah. Dropships are silly fragile, and with the 10% (assault) forge gun buff they simply cannot compete. Vehicles in general are in need of an overhaul. HAV's and DS in particular.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1550	Posted - 2013.05.12 21:35:00 - [24] - Quote Wow, I was so pissed off when I first posted in this thread, kinda amusing looking back... Or maybe not(ill just get angry again).
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2990	Posted - 2013.05.12 21:40:00 - [25] - Quote gbghg wrote: Wow, I was so pissed off when I first posted in this thread, kinda amusing looking back... Or maybe not(ill just get angry again). I ragequit IRC earlier hardcore, listening to a bunch of infantry guys saying dropships are fine is beyond infuriating.
First Prophet UItramarine Corp 78	Posted - 2013.05.12 21:42:00 - [26] - Quote No. You can't have your buffs until I have my fighter to take you down in.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 377	Posted - 2013.05.12 21:43:00 - [27] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: gbghg wrote: Wow, I was so pissed off when I first posted in this thread, kinda amusing looking back... Or maybe not(ill just get angry again). I ragequit IRC earlier hardcore, listening to a bunch of infantry guys saying dropships are fine is beyond infuriating. we're outnumbered and non-represented. This isn't going to end well for us or Dust.
Alina Heart DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement 121	Posted - 2013.05.12 21:48:00 - [28] - Quote I think Dropships need to get 2x the HP and Half the price. Still, Don't know why no one wants to nerf the Forge gun. That's what the majority of all tankers and Dropship pilots are dying to, not the guy with 3 Packed AV grenades and a nanohive that a tank can easily run away from or completely evade with Dropships. The forge gun is a problem that no one wants to acknowledge.
Illendar Cortharis Digital Mercs 2	Posted - 2013.05.12 21:49:00 - [29] - Quote First Prophet wrote: No. You can't have your buffs until I have my fighter to take you down in. No buffs required on Dropships. This latest build made them better than HAVs (until main turret elevations get fixed.) If you can't work around your limitations, then you're essentially useless and need to quit playing the game. No one is here to hand hold you.
Alina Heart DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement 121	Posted - 2013.05.12 21:52:00 - [30] - Quote Illendar Cortharis wrote: First Prophet wrote: No. You can't have your buffs until I have my fighter to take you down in. No buffs required on Dropships. This latest build made them better than HAVs (until main turret elevations get fixed.) If you can't work around your limitations, then you're essentially useless and need to quit playing the game. No one is here to hand hold you. Just another bitter tanker, you aren't the only group of players entitled to a buff douchebag. Tankers = Wahhh, Nerf Everything, Buff Tanks!



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