Heres my suggestion that will make people freak out and whine and moan
Leave the suits alone aside from one minor detail, remove the light weapon slot and replace it with a sidearm slot

Heres my suggestion that will make people freak out and whine and moan
Leave the suits alone aside from one minor detail, remove the light weapon slot and replace it with a sidearm slot

the point is, why do they play assault with a logi and not do the logi with their logi?
Because it's worth.
I will agree on every post that will suggest the logi turn back to be a logi

Last build i was all about the scout for sniping. However this build I am holding on to about 2.5mil SP until I am confident about which suit to skill up. but from all I've seen and read and from tinkering in the markets and skill trees I have all but concluded a logi suti will do the job better (way more kit plus HP and shields PG/CPU etc).

In my defence teh plan is to extend into pure logi role once i have selfishly skilled a mean ol sniper.

I dont have stats in front of me at work but I did read something earlier about having to Lv 5 medium frames before specialisation is available, is this right? if so the SP spend will be massive. Also being new to New Eden I am at a loss as to what racial class to focus on, I keep looking at the variations across the 4 and then deciding to hold off a bit longer, at this rate I will be in skinweave forever!!

The way I'm thinking currently is sack off the sidearm slot logi race straightaway and go for one of the others with bigger slot loadouts, but to armour or shield tank, thats a big question.

but back to the original point of this thread, with the amount of slots, PG/CPU, HP/shields of logi why would you pick anything else right now?

If you want you logi to be able to snipe have lots of hp and don't care the tank. Go caldari. However if you want a sidearm slot as well go amarr. Their proto is only logi suit with a sidearm.

I have a Caldari Logi suit, it normally has a medkit, nanohives and a scanner, I have an alternate loadout with uplinks. Its not like I don't use my equipment, I use it all the time. Do you mean that I should not fire my gun and take a part in the action when my equipment is not needed?

In SI we had 2 dedicated "combat logis" in the previous build. They both run with various equipment and has proto weapons and modules on it. They both have a KDR running as a Logi between 4,5-5,5 - I'm pretty sure that I would have the same or even better if I'd run as a combat fittet Logi in the previous builds. The main reason for me going Logi now is that they reduced the equipment slots on the proto assault suits.

I think its more of a case off many high quality assault players turning into Logis, you know, the kind of people with skill and gungame. Earlier, we mostly had "dedicated teamplayers" running as Logis, not exactly the best killers out there....

And I hate the notion being fitted to either slay or support, whats wrong with being able to do both? As I to some extent used to do with my previous VK1 assault suit.

If I am to choose between being a pure killer, or being in a support suit that is terrible in combat, I don't really see myself playing this game much more, I'd hget bored out of my mind in after day 1.

I play a Gallente logi and I have yet to see an Amarr logi in game, I have seen a couple of Minmatar and a few other Gallente like me. However I have seen loads of Caldari logi's I think the Caldari assault should get the shield bonus the logi does and give the logi a support bonus like the Gal and Min get.

I have a Caldari Logi suit, it normally has a medkit, nanohives and a scanner, I have an alternate loadout with uplinks. Its not like I don't use my equipment, I use it all the time. Do you mean that I should not fire my gun and take a part in the action when my equipment is not needed?

In SI we had 2 dedicated "combat logis" in the previous build. They both run with various equipment and has proto weapons and modules on it. They both have a KDR running as a Logi between 4,5-5,5 - I'm pretty sure that I would have the same or even better if I'd run as a combat fittet Logi in the previous builds. The main reason for me going Logi now is that they reduced the equipment slots on the proto assault suits.

I think its more of a case off many high quality assault players turning into Logis, you know, the kind of people with skill and gungame. Earlier, we mostly had "dedicated teamplayers" running as Logis, not exactly the best killers out there....

And I hate the notion being fitted to either slay or support, whats wrong with being able to do both? As I to some extent used to do with my previous VK1 assault suit.

If I am to choose between being a pure killer, or being in a support suit that is terrible in combat, I don't really see myself playing this game much more, I'd hget bored out of my mind in after day 1.

Beefing up any Logi Suit makes sense.

Beefing up the logi suit in the right way makes sense - they should swap the racial bonuses on caldari suits around so that the Assault gets more shield and the Logi gets faster recharge.

<--Miny logi

My pov is different, i'm more an rpg player, i think that if you pick the logi class you should give more importance to support than to killing, in all the rpgs be a jack of all trades it's not worth (maybe funny but not effective as power play build), but with the logi as they are now you can be much more effective than an assault class when you want to do the job of an assault and be also effective as logi when you do the logi work.
Isn't this a little bit OP for you?

So let me get this right... People are whining and crying because they didnt read all the suit and racial benefits of every suit? Say it aint so... There's always going to be something a little more OP than everything else it is an inherent problem with any PS style game or even any type of killing game really...

This being said you are mad at the elite few (few in reference to the total) that were smart enough to notice that logi's were the way to go like last build how assaults were the way to go...

Also, as a point of reference i know many dedicated assaults from the last build predetermined they were going to be logi's to support their team and kill at the same time... I know there were atleast 4 from my corp... I can also tell u they were smart enough to read up on all the bonuses and decide from there...

Heres my suggestion that will make people freak out and whine and moan
Leave the suits alone aside from one minor detail, remove the light weapon slot and replace it with a sidearm slot

YES.

YES.

Ok, 1st off, hell hath no furry like an assault scrambler pistol with complex damage mods so if this **** hits the fan all I have to say is come at me bro. 2nd, I've put a very healthy share of my respec into my proto light weapon so to take that away would warrant another respec; GLgetting CCP to do that. 3rd, logi bees are mercs too; if we can't kill then we become liabilities.

CCP already has plans to lower the skill multiplier on a few skills and give out an optional respec because of it.

Let me clarify this....

I'm a logi right now, because i feel i can hold my ground in battle and help my team at the same time... If this changes in "any way", i will go back to my assault dropsuit, and carry a repair tool, like i use to do in the old build.

That's nice. Link please

I got flamed to kitten by "logissaults" for saying this but...





Sidearms only for logistics.

Unlike the other thread, I'm going to provide a little reasoning here:

It's pretty simple: Logistics need to be the most tanky medium frames to do their job; which is to keep their bros fighting at peak condition. They need to be able to take hits; and they can. Taking away slots is a bad idea because tank isn't what makes the logi overpowered. The problem stems from the light weapon, as it not only happens to distract the user from actually doing his job, it also makes the suit as effective as -- if not more than -- the assault at killing.

Sidearms were designed as backup weapons, and considering killing people isn't the role of logistics I'd consider needing a weapon in the first place a "plan B" scenario:

If the guy you're healing ran out into the wall of fire, forget him, he's not going to thank you for reviving him in the enemy kill zone.

If your skirmish squad has turned 1v1 and you're the only one left, a simple SMG and some creative use of cover is more than enough to do the job, even against a protosuit. Considering I've killed multiple proto logistics suits with an SMG, this shouldn't be difficult.

The Caldari Logi is only really a problem if you approach it head on; the trick is to use a flux to take down the shields, then finish it at close range before it can recover. In other words, you need to flank it; scouts will do this amazingly well (I run with dual SMGs and Flux; Caldari Logi are my favorite prey because they think they're invincible).

To conclude: Logistics isn't a glamorous role; like in just about any MMO (and make no mistake, DUST is an MMO), your role as healer isn't to get kills, it's to make sure your side keeps its DPS in the fight. DPS wins fights, but Logistics wins wars.
It takes a certain type of player to be logistics; you have to be fine with having a **** KDR and being unappreciated, but that's fine, because you know that without you, they'd have lost the engagement.

no to the side arm weapon.

logis are not back up soldiers. they're meant to be combat roles. they're meant to work as part of a team and fulfill multiple roles of attack and specilist. CCP hasnt done enough to make assaults unique enough to make it desirable.


ccp ****** up when they made logi and assault only available once one reaches proto medium frame.

Heres my suggestion that will make people freak out and whine and moan
Leave the suits alone aside from one minor detail, remove the light weapon slot and replace it with a sidearm slot

I got flamed to kitten by "logissaults" for saying this but...





Sidearms only for logistics.

Unlike the other thread, I'm going to provide a little reasoning here:

It's pretty simple: Logistics need to be the most tanky medium frames to do their job; which is to keep their bros fighting at peak condition. They need to be able to take hits; and they can. Taking away slots is a bad idea because tank isn't what makes the logi overpowered. The problem stems from the light weapon, as it not only happens to distract the user from actually doing his job, it also makes the suit as effective as -- if not more than -- the assault at killing.

Sidearms were designed as backup weapons, and considering killing people isn't the role of logistics I'd consider needing a weapon in the first place a "plan B" scenario:

If the guy you're healing ran out into the wall of fire, forget him, he's not going to thank you for reviving him in the enemy kill zone.

If your skirmish squad has turned 1v1 and you're the only one left, a simple SMG and some creative use of cover is more than enough to do the job, even against a protosuit. Considering I've killed multiple proto logistics suits with an SMG, this shouldn't be difficult.

The Caldari Logi is only really a problem if you approach it head on; the trick is to use a flux to take down the shields, then finish it at close range before it can recover. In other words, you need to flank it; scouts will do this amazingly well (I run with dual SMGs and Flux; Caldari Logi are my favorite prey because they think they're invincible).

To conclude: Logistics isn't a glamorous role; like in just about any MMO (and make no mistake, DUST is an MMO), your role as healer isn't to get kills, it's to make sure your side keeps its DPS in the fight. DPS wins fights, but Logistics wins wars.
It takes a certain type of player to be logistics; you have to be fine with having a **** KDR and being unappreciated, but that's fine, because you know that without you, they'd have lost the engagement.

no to the side arm weapon.

logis are not back up soldiers. they're meant to be combat roles. they're meant to work as part of a team and fulfill multiple roles of attack and specilist. CCP hasnt done enough to make assaults unique enough to make it desirable.


ccp ****** up when they made logi and assault only available once one reaches proto medium frame.

It's coming from multiple people on CPM scattered around this forum so you can look for it if you want. But basically while CCP doesn't want to have frequent respecs, they are not opposed to it when it is needed. The only thing they ever said they will 99.99% not do is reset the skill points to 500,000.

We are not flaming, we are not logiassaults but nice try to look smart

Scenario: Someone with a langer range camping your dead ally? What do I need to do?

What are you going to change about the amarr logi? Can he keep his LW and side-arm?

Yes I like a SMG on a scout too, not on my logi. Focus on support? Have fun when you're running with shieldbased allies...or can we get a shieldrep too? Nanohives gone in an eyeblink...you know what I'm just going to stand here and scan the hell out of the enemy!

I keep seeing "It's only the Caldari logi" followed by solutions that affect all logis

Sorry about the smacktalk, don't take it personally. Opinions are split on this particular idea.

To answer your scenario, depending on the specific case:

Ally died well out in the open - retreat behind nearest cover and drop an uplink for your dead ally to spawn on.

Ally died in the open and you have no uplink - consider playing meat shield, if that's not an option, retreat and regroup.

Ally died near cover - get to the nearby cover and revive him, then repair him and keep fighting, or retreat.

In both cases you can take a lot of damage. You shouldn't try to revive an ally that's in the line of fire, he'll just die again and feed the enemy WP for their next orbital.

Amarr logistics could either keep its light weapon, or it could get more slots.

I think giving Repair Tools the ability to make shield recharge kick in when armor is full would solve that issue.
Nanohives were slightly over nerfed IMO (maybe it's just a problem with lower tier hives).
The lack of WP for scanning sucks, getting some WP for someone dieing after you scanned them would be nice.

Yeah just leave the smacktalk next time, it's no good to get your viewpoint across to the other side.

What's your view of a SMG logi vs SMG scout? The scout seems more favorable because of the speed/stamina bonus. Do you want to give logis a bonus to sidearms?
I don't mind the militia and lvl1 nanohives nerf, but lvl3? Not so much.
Your shieldregen is a interessting idea.

I like My proto med frame It was a great idea IMO. you get you generic trooper then you specialize from there. sure the assaut class got the shaft but have some faith. as many threads as there are im sure CCP has taken notice.

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I lurked the forms for a bit and THIS is the closet I found. more speculation, if you find a better link plz post it.

Heres my suggestion that will make people freak out and whine and moan
Leave the suits alone aside from one minor detail, remove the light weapon slot and replace it with a sidearm slot

I like My proto med frame It was a great idea IMO. you get you generic trooper then you specialize from there. sure the assaut class got the shaft but have some faith. as many threads as there are im sure CCP has taken notice.

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No, tone down the bonus and the slots. Caldari logi needs 2 lows, not 4. Change the bonus to 2% per level instead of 5%.

Again, people will freak out but I suggest the logi only gets a sidearm and less mod slots. The mod slots should be the assault's thing just like equipment is the logi's thing. Doesn't make sense that the logi get's the most mod slots, the most equipment slots, and a light weapon. It's basically the god suit.

All those equipment slots should come at the expense of some highs and lows. There is no reason to give them so many freaking highs.

I got flamed to kitten by "logissaults" for saying this but...





Sidearms only for logistics.

Unlike the other thread, I'm going to provide a little reasoning here:

It's pretty simple: Logistics need to be the most tanky medium frames to do their job; which is to keep their bros fighting at peak condition. They need to be able to take hits; and they can. Taking away slots is a bad idea because tank isn't what makes the logi overpowered. The problem stems from the light weapon, as it not only happens to distract the user from actually doing his job, it also makes the suit as effective as -- if not more than -- the assault at killing.

Sidearms were designed as backup weapons, and considering killing people isn't the role of logistics I'd consider needing a weapon in the first place a "plan B" scenario:

If the guy you're healing ran out into the wall of fire, forget him, he's not going to thank you for reviving him in the enemy kill zone.

If your skirmish squad has turned 1v1 and you're the only one left, a simple SMG and some creative use of cover is more than enough to do the job, even against a protosuit. Considering I've killed multiple proto logistics suits with an SMG, this shouldn't be difficult.

The Caldari Logi is only really a problem if you approach it head on; the trick is to use a flux to take down the shields, then finish it at close range before it can recover. In other words, you need to flank it; scouts will do this amazingly well (I run with dual SMGs and Flux; Caldari Logi are my favorite prey because they think they're invincible).

To conclude: Logistics isn't a glamorous role; like in just about any MMO (and make no mistake, DUST is an MMO), your role as healer isn't to get kills, it's to make sure your side keeps its DPS in the fight. DPS wins fights, but Logistics wins wars.
It takes a certain type of player to be logistics; you have to be fine with having a **** KDR and being unappreciated, but that's fine, because you know that without you, they'd have lost the engagement.

Yes, lets make the Logi class useless as soldiers, who wouldn't spend all their gametime being a chubby chaser or throw down hives and whatnot? Fun fun fun!!!

Sidearm only is an excellent idea for a possible future officer class that has modules that benefit the entire squad and not just himself. Only the most "badass" people will dare go officer suits....

Sorry about the smacktalk, don't take it personally. Opinions are split on this particular idea.

To answer your scenario, depending on the specific case:

Ally died well out in the open - retreat behind nearest cover and drop an uplink for your dead ally to spawn on.

Ally died in the open and you have no uplink - consider playing meat shield, if that's not an option, retreat and regroup.

Ally died near cover - get to the nearby cover and revive him, then repair him and keep fighting, or retreat.

In both cases you can take a lot of damage. You shouldn't try to revive an ally that's in the line of fire, he'll just die again and feed the enemy WP for their next orbital.

Amarr logistics could either keep its light weapon, or it could get more slots.

I think giving Repair Tools the ability to make shield recharge kick in when armor is full would solve that issue.
Nanohives were slightly over nerfed IMO (maybe it's just a problem with lower tier hives).
The lack of WP for scanning sucks, getting some WP for someone dieing after you scanned them would be nice.