DUST Search - Current situation of logis

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I have a Caldari Logi suit, it normally has a medkit, nanohives and a scanner, I have an alternate loadout with uplinks. Its not like I don't use my equipment, I use it all the time. Do you mean that I should not fire my gun and take a part in the action when my equipment is not needed?

In SI we had 2 dedicated "combat logis" in the previous build. They both run with various equipment and has proto weapons and modules on it. They both have a KDR running as a Logi between 4,5-5,5 - I'm pretty sure that I would have the same or even better if I'd run as a combat fittet Logi in the previous builds. The main reason for me going Logi now is that they reduced the equipment slots on the proto assault suits.

I think its more of a case off many high quality assault players turning into Logis, you know, the kind of people with skill and gungame. Earlier, we mostly had "dedicated teamplayers" running as Logis, not exactly the best killers out there....

And I hate the notion being fitted to either slay or support, whats wrong with being able to do both? As I to some extent used to do with my previous VK1 assault suit.

If I am to choose between being a pure killer, or being in a support suit that is terrible in combat, I don't really see myself playing this game much more, I'd hget bored out of my mind in after day 1.

My pov is different, i'm more an rpg player, i think that if you pick the logi class you should give more importance to support than to killing, in all the rpgs be a jack of all trades it's not worth (maybe funny but not effective as power play build), but with the logi as they are now you can be much more effective than an assault class when you want to do the job of an assault and be also effective as logi when you do the logi work.
Isn't this a little bit OP for you?

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The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1378	Posted - 2013.05.10 10:16:00 - [1] - Quote I dont know why but i see more people in proto logi suits then assaults. Espacially the caldari logi suit seems to be OP as hell. Way to much HP and the bonus to shield extenders needs to be toned down. Another thing that wonders me is that actually the racial suits cost less ISK then basic frame suits. Logis allways had less health then assaults and heavys. Why did CCP changed that? people currently abuse those suits to get the max out of their guns and HP but not really using equipment. To be honest logi suits should only have max 3 high slots and 3 low. They are doing the assault job way too good and thats not good for the gamebalance. Cause when i see some 1 in a banana suit i dont think that hes a logi. i simply think that he has tons of HP on shields and is allmost unkillable.
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 564	Posted - 2013.05.10 10:19:00 - [2] - Quote Yes having the freedom to make a hybrid killer/support class, decent but not the best at both is just silly
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 625	Posted - 2013.05.10 10:24:00 - [3] - Quote Heavies got nerfed, hard and most of them went to logi. Since the logi suit has good stats and the other racial suits suck, everyone is using them as Assaults+1.
Import Beercase Red Fox Brigade 14	Posted - 2013.05.10 10:24:00 - [4] - Quote Hmmm.. I play Caldari adv Logi suit. I did get fluxed pretty many times last night. And I have not seen many other cal logis around... I dont get better stats or better kdr than last build when I was playing logi... Maybe I do something wrong.. I do use extenders etc. But do we have facts that Caldari Logi suit is on top 3 mvp players every round?
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 68	Posted - 2013.05.10 10:38:00 - [5] - Quote the point is, why do they play assault with a logi and not do the logi with their logi? Because it's worth. I will agree on every post that will suggest the logi turn back to be a logi
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 272	Posted - 2013.05.10 10:41:00 - [6] - Quote I play a Gallente logi and I have yet to see an Amarr logi in game, I have seen a couple of Minmatar and a few other Gallente like me. However I have seen loads of Caldari logi's I think the Caldari assault should get the shield bonus the logi does and give the logi a support bonus like the Gal and Min get.
Delta 749 Maverick Security Consulting 29	Posted - 2013.05.10 10:42:00 - [7] - Quote Heres my suggestion that will make people freak out and whine and moan Leave the suits alone aside from one minor detail, remove the light weapon slot and replace it with a sidearm slot
Import Beercase Red Fox Brigade 14	Posted - 2013.05.10 10:46:00 - [8] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Heres my suggestion that will make people freak out and whine and moan Leave the suits alone aside from one minor detail, remove the light weapon slot and replace it with a sidearm slot +1
Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 241	Posted - 2013.05.10 10:51:00 - [9] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Heres my suggestion that will make people freak out and whine and moan Leave the suits alone aside from one minor detail, remove the light weapon slot and replace it with a sidearm slot That along with the vehicle skill controversy warrants a new respec. If there's no respec and they remove the light weapon slot on the Logi... boy are we talking nerf! Another sollution to the same problem is: Let logis keep their L-weapon slot, but give proto assault suits back their 2 equipment slots.
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 566	Posted - 2013.05.10 10:56:00 - [10] - Quote shaman oga wrote: the point is, why do they play assault with a logi and not do the logi with their logi? Because it's worth. I will agree on every post that will suggest the logi turn back to be a logi I have a Caldari Logi suit, it normally has a medkit, nanohives and a scanner, I have an alternate loadout with uplinks. Its not like I don't use my equipment, I use it all the time. Do you mean that I should not fire my gun and take a part in the action when my equipment is not needed? In SI we had 2 dedicated "combat logis" in the previous build. They both run with various equipment and has proto weapons and modules on it. They both have a KDR running as a Logi between 4,5-5,5 - I'm pretty sure that I would have the same or even better if I'd run as a combat fittet Logi in the previous builds. The main reason for me going Logi now is that they reduced the equipment slots on the proto assault suits. I think its more of a case off many high quality assault players turning into Logis, you know, the kind of people with skill and gungame. Earlier, we mostly had "dedicated teamplayers" running as Logis, not exactly the best killers out there.... And I hate the notion being fitted to either slay or support, whats wrong with being able to do both? As I to some extent used to do with my previous VK1 assault suit. If I am to choose between being a pure killer, or being in a support suit that is terrible in combat, I don't really see myself playing this game much more, I'd hget bored out of my mind in after day 1.

Prius Vecht Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 92	Posted - 2013.05.10 11:10:00 - [11] - Quote glad most people are aware of this. CA Logi needs tuning very badly.
Heraclion Jones Planetary Response Organisation 4	Posted - 2013.05.10 11:12:00 - [12] - Quote Last build i was all about the scout for sniping. However this build I am holding on to about 2.5mil SP until I am confident about which suit to skill up. but from all I've seen and read and from tinkering in the markets and skill trees I have all but concluded a logi suti will do the job better (way more kit plus HP and shields PG/CPU etc). In my defence teh plan is to extend into pure logi role once i have selfishly skilled a mean ol sniper. I dont have stats in front of me at work but I did read something earlier about having to Lv 5 medium frames before specialisation is available, is this right? if so the SP spend will be massive. Also being new to New Eden I am at a loss as to what racial class to focus on, I keep looking at the variations across the 4 and then deciding to hold off a bit longer, at this rate I will be in skinweave forever!! The way I'm thinking currently is sack off the sidearm slot logi race straightaway and go for one of the others with bigger slot loadouts, but to armour or shield tank, thats a big question. but back to the original point of this thread, with the amount of slots, PG/CPU, HP/shields of logi why would you pick anything else right now?
Jessica Montoya Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. 4	Posted - 2013.05.10 11:22:00 - [13] - Quote Heraclion Jones wrote: Last build i was all about the scout for sniping. However this build I am holding on to about 2.5mil SP until I am confident about which suit to skill up. but from all I've seen and read and from tinkering in the markets and skill trees I have all but concluded a logi suti will do the job better (way more kit plus HP and shields PG/CPU etc). In my defence teh plan is to extend into pure logi role once i have selfishly skilled a mean ol sniper. I dont have stats in front of me at work but I did read something earlier about having to Lv 5 medium frames before specialisation is available, is this right? if so the SP spend will be massive. Also being new to New Eden I am at a loss as to what racial class to focus on, I keep looking at the variations across the 4 and then deciding to hold off a bit longer, at this rate I will be in skinweave forever!! The way I'm thinking currently is sack off the sidearm slot logi race straightaway and go for one of the others with bigger slot loadouts, but to armour or shield tank, thats a big question. but back to the original point of this thread, with the amount of slots, PG/CPU, HP/shields of logi why would you pick anything else right now? If you want you logi to be able to snipe have lots of hp and don't care the tank. Go caldari. However if you want a sidearm slot as well go amarr. Their proto is only logi suit with a sidearm.
Import Beercase Red Fox Brigade 14	Posted - 2013.05.10 11:30:00 - [14] - Quote Hi I think people have forgot one thing.. When a new player starts playing and thinks what to do.. I dont think the first thing he wants is a protologi. Most of players from beta have enough sp to get some sort of logi suit. Think how long it will take to get one from the start. And about caldari logi and its shields.. nobody knows how scrambler rifle deals with that.
Heraclion Jones Planetary Response Organisation 4	Posted - 2013.05.10 11:31:00 - [15] - Quote Jessica Montoya wrote: Heraclion Jones wrote: Last build i was all about the scout for sniping. However this build I am holding on to about 2.5mil SP until I am confident about which suit to skill up. but from all I've seen and read and from tinkering in the markets and skill trees I have all but concluded a logi suti will do the job better (way more kit plus HP and shields PG/CPU etc). In my defence teh plan is to extend into pure logi role once i have selfishly skilled a mean ol sniper. I dont have stats in front of me at work but I did read something earlier about having to Lv 5 medium frames before specialisation is available, is this right? if so the SP spend will be massive. Also being new to New Eden I am at a loss as to what racial class to focus on, I keep looking at the variations across the 4 and then deciding to hold off a bit longer, at this rate I will be in skinweave forever!! The way I'm thinking currently is sack off the sidearm slot logi race straightaway and go for one of the others with bigger slot loadouts, but to armour or shield tank, thats a big question. but back to the original point of this thread, with the amount of slots, PG/CPU, HP/shields of logi why would you pick anything else right now? If you want you logi to be able to snipe have lots of hp and don't care the tank. Go caldari. However if you want a sidearm slot as well go amarr. Their proto is only logi suit with a sidearm. I was thinking Caldari possibly, sidearm doesnt matter if you snipe properly (IMO) and once you're in the thick of it a primary should suffice. So shield tanking it is then :)
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 69	Posted - 2013.05.10 11:34:00 - [16] - Quote KingBabar wrote: shaman oga wrote: cut I have a Caldari Logi suit, it normally has a medkit, nanohives and a scanner, I have an alternate loadout with uplinks. Its not like I don't use my equipment, I use it all the time. Do you mean that I should not fire my gun and take a part in the action when my equipment is not needed? In SI we had 2 dedicated "combat logis" in the previous build. They both run with various equipment and has proto weapons and modules on it. They both have a KDR running as a Logi between 4,5-5,5 - I'm pretty sure that I would have the same or even better if I'd run as a combat fittet Logi in the previous builds. The main reason for me going Logi now is that they reduced the equipment slots on the proto assault suits. I think its more of a case off many high quality assault players turning into Logis, you know, the kind of people with skill and gungame. Earlier, we mostly had "dedicated teamplayers" running as Logis, not exactly the best killers out there.... And I hate the notion being fitted to either slay or support, whats wrong with being able to do both? As I to some extent used to do with my previous VK1 assault suit. If I am to choose between being a pure killer, or being in a support suit that is terrible in combat, I don't really see myself playing this game much more, I'd hget bored out of my mind in after day 1. My pov is different, i'm more an rpg player, i think that if you pick the logi class you should give more importance to support than to killing, in all the rpgs be a jack of all trades it's not worth (maybe funny but not effective as power play build), but with the logi as they are now you can be much more effective than an assault class when you want to do the job of an assault and be also effective as logi when you do the logi work. Isn't this a little bit OP for you?
achiever pigs with fricken lazer beams 30	Posted - 2013.05.10 11:47:00 - [17] - Quote I will keep post this every time I see post like this Caldari Logi suit have 5 hi for ewar in eve caldari are the ewar gods so just wait ccp said ewar is comeing
CrotchGrab 360 Better Hide R Die 33	Posted - 2013.05.10 11:50:00 - [18] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: I play a Gallente logi and I have yet to see an Amarr logi in game, I have seen a couple of Minmatar and a few other Gallente like me. However I have seen loads of Caldari logi's I think the Caldari assault should get the shield bonus the logi does and give the logi a support bonus like the Gal and Min get. the caldari assault has a shield bonus doesn't it? or do you mean the caldari logi gets a bigger shield bonus and that should be applied to the assault dropsuit? hey that's fine by me cos that's the one I specced into haha
NewOldMan KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 29	Posted - 2013.05.10 11:51:00 - [19] - Quote No, I like Iron Wolf Saber's Idea of having the logibro have 2 sidearms, and give bonuses to sidearms or equipment usage as the passive racial bonus, not combat stats (looking at you caldari logi) This would make it to where the logi can't really be used as an offensive force, as well as the fact that they would be forced to rely on team mates for more offensive actions, therefore forcing them to carry equipment to keep them alive. As their survival should be paramount to yours. This is how I run with my logibro, usually with a sidearm and a crap ton of equipment. So i can keep my team alive. (I usually have the repair tool out to begin with instead of a gun)
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire 429	Posted - 2013.05.10 11:52:00 - [20] - Quote @The dark cloud, I have only played with you a few times. But I have yet to see the problem you are talking about. My average match might have two or three Logi Bros and every now and then a couple are Prototypes. Beefing up any Logi Suit makes sense. The longer they are alive they longer the suit pays for itself. The longer the rest of the Team stays alive and not losing clones. We all knew the racial variations were coming as it has been discussed for months. EVE players had talked about Caldari Shields and the other racial tie ins. The entire point is to push the diversity and the ability to make decisions based on the racial variations with their inherent benefits/disadvantages. Viva la difference (between New Eden's races).

Jakob Evhin Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 20	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:01:00 - [21] - Quote KingBabar wrote: shaman oga wrote: the point is, why do they play assault with a logi and not do the logi with their logi? Because it's worth. I will agree on every post that will suggest the logi turn back to be a logi I have a Caldari Logi suit, it normally has a medkit, nanohives and a scanner, I have an alternate loadout with uplinks. Its not like I don't use my equipment, I use it all the time. Do you mean that I should not fire my gun and take a part in the action when my equipment is not needed? In SI we had 2 dedicated "combat logis" in the previous build. They both run with various equipment and has proto weapons and modules on it. They both have a KDR running as a Logi between 4,5-5,5 - I'm pretty sure that I would have the same or even better if I'd run as a combat fittet Logi in the previous builds. The main reason for me going Logi now is that they reduced the equipment slots on the proto assault suits. I think its more of a case off many high quality assault players turning into Logis, you know, the kind of people with skill and gungame. Earlier, we mostly had "dedicated teamplayers" running as Logis, not exactly the best killers out there.... And I hate the notion being fitted to either slay or support, whats wrong with being able to do both? As I to some extent used to do with my previous VK1 assault suit. If I am to choose between being a pure killer, or being in a support suit that is terrible in combat, I don't really see myself playing this game much more, I'd hget bored out of my mind in after day 1. I think the problem is that in a team based game (well, Dust is supposed to be team based), having people that can do everything with one suit knocks everything out of balance. Why have dedicated logis when everyone can load up a Caldari Proto-Logi with super shields and no real disadvantage (oh no my sideaarrrm!!)? Where does that leave us dedicated logis? Everyone ends up playing the same thing, and while I wouldn't say that the balance is that bad, that's pretty much how I feel about the logistic suit situation, this build and the last. Logistic suits are waaaay too broad to be an actual specialization, they've just ended up being Assault suits with extra slots, and the playerbase has realized this, and taken advantage of it, and now that people have sunk points into it, they don't want it to change.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 51	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:03:00 - [22] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Beefing up any Logi Suit makes sense. Beefing up the logi suit in the right way makes sense - they should swap the racial bonuses on caldari suits around so that the Assault gets more shield and the Logi gets faster recharge. <--Miny logi
Jakob Evhin Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 20	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:10:00 - [23] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: KalOfTheRathi wrote: Beefing up any Logi Suit makes sense. Beefing up the logi suit in the right way makes sense - they should swap the racial bonuses on caldari suits around so that the Assault gets more shield and the Logi gets faster recharge. <--Miny logi Oh man you read my mind, in the last build I tried to make my shields more efficient, instead of brute force max HP extenders, I'd support a swap out like this. Until people found out how to take advantage of that as well.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 197	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:39:00 - [24] - Quote How to tweak logis: -Can only carry sidearm (Amarr can carry 2) -Shield extender bonus for caldari is 3% It shouldn't be hard to implement these...
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 575	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:40:00 - [25] - Quote shaman oga wrote: KingBabar wrote: shaman oga wrote: cut I have a Caldari Logi suit, it normally has a medkit, nanohives and a scanner, I have an alternate loadout with uplinks. Its not like I don't use my equipment, I use it all the time. Do you mean that I should not fire my gun and take a part in the action when my equipment is not needed? In SI we had 2 dedicated "combat logis" in the previous build. They both run with various equipment and has proto weapons and modules on it. They both have a KDR running as a Logi between 4,5-5,5 - I'm pretty sure that I would have the same or even better if I'd run as a combat fittet Logi in the previous builds. The main reason for me going Logi now is that they reduced the equipment slots on the proto assault suits. I think its more of a case off many high quality assault players turning into Logis, you know, the kind of people with skill and gungame. Earlier, we mostly had "dedicated teamplayers" running as Logis, not exactly the best killers out there.... And I hate the notion being fitted to either slay or support, whats wrong with being able to do both? As I to some extent used to do with my previous VK1 assault suit. If I am to choose between being a pure killer, or being in a support suit that is terrible in combat, I don't really see myself playing this game much more, I'd hget bored out of my mind in after day 1. My pov is different, i'm more an rpg player, i think that if you pick the logi class you should give more importance to support than to killing, in all the rpgs be a jack of all trades it's not worth (maybe funny but not effective as power play build), but with the logi as they are now you can be much more effective than an assault class when you want to do the job of an assault and be also effective as logi when you do the logi work. Isn't this a little bit OP for you? -Much more effective than an assault class when I want to? Really? More effective? Out of the 12 slots I have, 3 goes to shield extenders, the other 2 high slots goes for shield rechargers cause 20 per sec just doesn't cut it for the frontline gameplay, 3 for equipment off course, and on my low slots I have a red and a green module, just to barely keep up with the assault suits, a basic armor plate and a cpu upgrade. In short, at least 4 of those 12 slots goes just for movement and shield recharge SPEED, a quality you all seem to be forgetting. I'm not sure but I'm pretty certain I could fit a combat fitted, lets say Caldari assault suit that is better for combat. I'll get roughly the same stats but have a much higher STRAFEING SPEED which I cannot do anything about as a logi. Its also specialised in terms of its shield tank, one flux or indeed the coming scrambler rifle will ruin anything yellow. Besides, the only real issue in my book is the removal of one equipment slot on the proto assault suits. Going around as a futuristic super soldier with only the one slot is just silly in my opinion. The other point is that Its almost impossible to do decent AV in a Logi suit, fit on some swarms and do what when you meet infantry? Assault: Speed/tank - sidearm - AV Logi : Tank and equipment? Doesn't seem so bad... I'd still like them to give back the second equipment slot for proto assault and with a 20/2 CPU/PG uppgrade to match i
Lycuo On The Brink CRONOS. 7	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:40:00 - [26] - Quote So let me get this right... People are whining and crying because they didnt read all the suit and racial benefits of every suit? Say it aint so... There's always going to be something a little more OP than everything else it is an inherent problem with any PS style game or even any type of killing game really... This being said you are mad at the elite few (few in reference to the total) that were smart enough to notice that logi's were the way to go like last build how assaults were the way to go... Also, as a point of reference i know many dedicated assaults from the last build predetermined they were going to be logi's to support their team and kill at the same time... I know there were atleast 4 from my corp... I can also tell u they were smart enough to read up on all the bonuses and decide from there...
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 576	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:53:00 - [27] - Quote And again: How many of these "beastly bumblebee" players running around like myself as a combat fitted Logi is former Assault suit wearing killers? In other words: How much is due because of the suits and how much is due because of the migration of talent gong from assault to logi?
Heraclion Jones Planetary Response Organisation 4	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:55:00 - [28] - Quote Lycuo wrote: So let me get this right... People are whining and crying because they didnt read all the suit and racial benefits of every suit? Say it aint so... There's always going to be something a little more OP than everything else it is an inherent problem with any PS style game or even any type of killing game really... This being said you are mad at the elite few (few in reference to the total) that were smart enough to notice that logi's were the way to go like last build how assaults were the way to go... Also, as a point of reference i know many dedicated assaults from the last build predetermined they were going to be logi's to support their team and kill at the same time... I know there were atleast 4 from my corp... I can also tell u they were smart enough to read up on all the bonuses and decide from there... which links back to my point, I havent sunk my SP into a suit yet this build because I want to make sure that what i pick is right for what i want to do. I've done this by comparing stats on the market, costs on the skill trees and opinions on the forums. and I've concluded (this morning) that logi (prob caldari) is the way I'm gonna go when i get home. I will take the speed drop etc as i am not looking for frontline combat fits at the minute and I can always skill into something else once i get bored of my 1st fit, that for me will be the joy of a full release, no more resets just when you're getting to where you really want to be
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 431	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:59:00 - [29] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Heres my suggestion that will make people freak out and whine and moan Leave the suits alone aside from one minor detail, remove the light weapon slot and replace it with a sidearm slot YES.
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 576	Posted - 2013.05.10 13:04:00 - [30] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Heres my suggestion that will make people freak out and whine and moan Leave the suits alone aside from one minor detail, remove the light weapon slot and replace it with a sidearm slot YES. Yes, lets make the Logi class useless as soldiers, who wouldn't spend all their gametime being a chubby chaser or throw down hives and whatnot? Fun fun fun!!! Sidearm only is an excellent idea for a possible future officer class that has modules that benefit the entire squad and not just himself. Only the most "badass" people will dare go officer suits....



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