YES.

Ok, 1st off, hell hath no furry like an assault scrambler pistol with complex damage mods so if this **** hits the fan all I have to say is come at me bro. 2nd, I've put a very healthy share of my respec into my proto light weapon so to take that away would warrant another respec; GLgetting CCP to do that. 3rd, logi bees are mercs too; if we can't kill then we become liabilities.

CCP already has plans to lower the skill multiplier on a few skills and give out an optional respec because of it.

Let me clarify this....

I'm a logi right now, because i feel i can hold my ground in battle and help my team at the same time... If this changes in "any way", i will go back to my assault dropsuit, and carry a repair tool, like i use to do in the old build.

That's nice. Link please

I got flamed to kitten by "logissaults" for saying this but...





Sidearms only for logistics.

Unlike the other thread, I'm going to provide a little reasoning here:

It's pretty simple: Logistics need to be the most tanky medium frames to do their job; which is to keep their bros fighting at peak condition. They need to be able to take hits; and they can. Taking away slots is a bad idea because tank isn't what makes the logi overpowered. The problem stems from the light weapon, as it not only happens to distract the user from actually doing his job, it also makes the suit as effective as -- if not more than -- the assault at killing.

Sidearms were designed as backup weapons, and considering killing people isn't the role of logistics I'd consider needing a weapon in the first place a "plan B" scenario:

If the guy you're healing ran out into the wall of fire, forget him, he's not going to thank you for reviving him in the enemy kill zone.

If your skirmish squad has turned 1v1 and you're the only one left, a simple SMG and some creative use of cover is more than enough to do the job, even against a protosuit. Considering I've killed multiple proto logistics suits with an SMG, this shouldn't be difficult.

The Caldari Logi is only really a problem if you approach it head on; the trick is to use a flux to take down the shields, then finish it at close range before it can recover. In other words, you need to flank it; scouts will do this amazingly well (I run with dual SMGs and Flux; Caldari Logi are my favorite prey because they think they're invincible).

To conclude: Logistics isn't a glamorous role; like in just about any MMO (and make no mistake, DUST is an MMO), your role as healer isn't to get kills, it's to make sure your side keeps its DPS in the fight. DPS wins fights, but Logistics wins wars.
It takes a certain type of player to be logistics; you have to be fine with having a **** KDR and being unappreciated, but that's fine, because you know that without you, they'd have lost the engagement.

no to the side arm weapon.

logis are not back up soldiers. they're meant to be combat roles. they're meant to work as part of a team and fulfill multiple roles of attack and specilist. CCP hasnt done enough to make assaults unique enough to make it desirable.


ccp ****** up when they made logi and assault only available once one reaches proto medium frame.

Heres my suggestion that will make people freak out and whine and moan
Leave the suits alone aside from one minor detail, remove the light weapon slot and replace it with a sidearm slot

I got flamed to kitten by "logissaults" for saying this but...





Sidearms only for logistics.

Unlike the other thread, I'm going to provide a little reasoning here:

It's pretty simple: Logistics need to be the most tanky medium frames to do their job; which is to keep their bros fighting at peak condition. They need to be able to take hits; and they can. Taking away slots is a bad idea because tank isn't what makes the logi overpowered. The problem stems from the light weapon, as it not only happens to distract the user from actually doing his job, it also makes the suit as effective as -- if not more than -- the assault at killing.

Sidearms were designed as backup weapons, and considering killing people isn't the role of logistics I'd consider needing a weapon in the first place a "plan B" scenario:

If the guy you're healing ran out into the wall of fire, forget him, he's not going to thank you for reviving him in the enemy kill zone.

If your skirmish squad has turned 1v1 and you're the only one left, a simple SMG and some creative use of cover is more than enough to do the job, even against a protosuit. Considering I've killed multiple proto logistics suits with an SMG, this shouldn't be difficult.

The Caldari Logi is only really a problem if you approach it head on; the trick is to use a flux to take down the shields, then finish it at close range before it can recover. In other words, you need to flank it; scouts will do this amazingly well (I run with dual SMGs and Flux; Caldari Logi are my favorite prey because they think they're invincible).

To conclude: Logistics isn't a glamorous role; like in just about any MMO (and make no mistake, DUST is an MMO), your role as healer isn't to get kills, it's to make sure your side keeps its DPS in the fight. DPS wins fights, but Logistics wins wars.
It takes a certain type of player to be logistics; you have to be fine with having a **** KDR and being unappreciated, but that's fine, because you know that without you, they'd have lost the engagement.

no to the side arm weapon.

logis are not back up soldiers. they're meant to be combat roles. they're meant to work as part of a team and fulfill multiple roles of attack and specilist. CCP hasnt done enough to make assaults unique enough to make it desirable.


ccp ****** up when they made logi and assault only available once one reaches proto medium frame.

It's coming from multiple people on CPM scattered around this forum so you can look for it if you want. But basically while CCP doesn't want to have frequent respecs, they are not opposed to it when it is needed. The only thing they ever said they will 99.99% not do is reset the skill points to 500,000.

We are not flaming, we are not logiassaults but nice try to look smart

Scenario: Someone with a langer range camping your dead ally? What do I need to do?

What are you going to change about the amarr logi? Can he keep his LW and side-arm?

Yes I like a SMG on a scout too, not on my logi. Focus on support? Have fun when you're running with shieldbased allies...or can we get a shieldrep too? Nanohives gone in an eyeblink...you know what I'm just going to stand here and scan the hell out of the enemy!

I keep seeing "It's only the Caldari logi" followed by solutions that affect all logis

Sorry about the smacktalk, don't take it personally. Opinions are split on this particular idea.

To answer your scenario, depending on the specific case:

Ally died well out in the open - retreat behind nearest cover and drop an uplink for your dead ally to spawn on.

Ally died in the open and you have no uplink - consider playing meat shield, if that's not an option, retreat and regroup.

Ally died near cover - get to the nearby cover and revive him, then repair him and keep fighting, or retreat.

In both cases you can take a lot of damage. You shouldn't try to revive an ally that's in the line of fire, he'll just die again and feed the enemy WP for their next orbital.

Amarr logistics could either keep its light weapon, or it could get more slots.

I think giving Repair Tools the ability to make shield recharge kick in when armor is full would solve that issue.
Nanohives were slightly over nerfed IMO (maybe it's just a problem with lower tier hives).
The lack of WP for scanning sucks, getting some WP for someone dieing after you scanned them would be nice.

Yeah just leave the smacktalk next time, it's no good to get your viewpoint across to the other side.

What's your view of a SMG logi vs SMG scout? The scout seems more favorable because of the speed/stamina bonus. Do you want to give logis a bonus to sidearms?
I don't mind the militia and lvl1 nanohives nerf, but lvl3? Not so much.
Your shieldregen is a interessting idea.

I like My proto med frame It was a great idea IMO. you get you generic trooper then you specialize from there. sure the assaut class got the shaft but have some faith. as many threads as there are im sure CCP has taken notice.

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I lurked the forms for a bit and THIS is the closet I found. more speculation, if you find a better link plz post it.

Heres my suggestion that will make people freak out and whine and moan
Leave the suits alone aside from one minor detail, remove the light weapon slot and replace it with a sidearm slot

I like My proto med frame It was a great idea IMO. you get you generic trooper then you specialize from there. sure the assaut class got the shaft but have some faith. as many threads as there are im sure CCP has taken notice.

Edit*

No, tone down the bonus and the slots. Caldari logi needs 2 lows, not 4. Change the bonus to 2% per level instead of 5%.

Again, people will freak out but I suggest the logi only gets a sidearm and less mod slots. The mod slots should be the assault's thing just like equipment is the logi's thing. Doesn't make sense that the logi get's the most mod slots, the most equipment slots, and a light weapon. It's basically the god suit.

All those equipment slots should come at the expense of some highs and lows. There is no reason to give them so many freaking highs.

I got flamed to kitten by "logissaults" for saying this but...





Sidearms only for logistics.

Unlike the other thread, I'm going to provide a little reasoning here:

It's pretty simple: Logistics need to be the most tanky medium frames to do their job; which is to keep their bros fighting at peak condition. They need to be able to take hits; and they can. Taking away slots is a bad idea because tank isn't what makes the logi overpowered. The problem stems from the light weapon, as it not only happens to distract the user from actually doing his job, it also makes the suit as effective as -- if not more than -- the assault at killing.

Sidearms were designed as backup weapons, and considering killing people isn't the role of logistics I'd consider needing a weapon in the first place a "plan B" scenario:

If the guy you're healing ran out into the wall of fire, forget him, he's not going to thank you for reviving him in the enemy kill zone.

If your skirmish squad has turned 1v1 and you're the only one left, a simple SMG and some creative use of cover is more than enough to do the job, even against a protosuit. Considering I've killed multiple proto logistics suits with an SMG, this shouldn't be difficult.

The Caldari Logi is only really a problem if you approach it head on; the trick is to use a flux to take down the shields, then finish it at close range before it can recover. In other words, you need to flank it; scouts will do this amazingly well (I run with dual SMGs and Flux; Caldari Logi are my favorite prey because they think they're invincible).

To conclude: Logistics isn't a glamorous role; like in just about any MMO (and make no mistake, DUST is an MMO), your role as healer isn't to get kills, it's to make sure your side keeps its DPS in the fight. DPS wins fights, but Logistics wins wars.
It takes a certain type of player to be logistics; you have to be fine with having a **** KDR and being unappreciated, but that's fine, because you know that without you, they'd have lost the engagement.

Yes, lets make the Logi class useless as soldiers, who wouldn't spend all their gametime being a chubby chaser or throw down hives and whatnot? Fun fun fun!!!

Sidearm only is an excellent idea for a possible future officer class that has modules that benefit the entire squad and not just himself. Only the most "badass" people will dare go officer suits....

Sorry about the smacktalk, don't take it personally. Opinions are split on this particular idea.

To answer your scenario, depending on the specific case:

Ally died well out in the open - retreat behind nearest cover and drop an uplink for your dead ally to spawn on.

Ally died in the open and you have no uplink - consider playing meat shield, if that's not an option, retreat and regroup.

Ally died near cover - get to the nearby cover and revive him, then repair him and keep fighting, or retreat.

In both cases you can take a lot of damage. You shouldn't try to revive an ally that's in the line of fire, he'll just die again and feed the enemy WP for their next orbital.

Amarr logistics could either keep its light weapon, or it could get more slots.

I think giving Repair Tools the ability to make shield recharge kick in when armor is full would solve that issue.
Nanohives were slightly over nerfed IMO (maybe it's just a problem with lower tier hives).
The lack of WP for scanning sucks, getting some WP for someone dieing after you scanned them would be nice.