you have made your bed now you must lie in it.

I have not seen one good argument for an optional respec.

ur dumb there are threads with reasons why everywhere.

Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP?

I have not seen one good argument for an optional respec.

this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different.

So CCP retains a player base? Have you seen the numbers lately bub? There wont be a game to play with your attitude. It's a one time respect on the 14th. I won't be using, but I don't need to stop others from doing it.

Link me one.

I need a good laugh.

this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different.

Most of the skills are working as intended, and the ones that aren't have been announced and are being fixed.

If there are broken skills, they will be fixed. If it just that you dont like the skill, buyer beware and all that. I dont see a valid point in this argument.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74159&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73002&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74665&find=unread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74603&find=unread
enough? there r more.

this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different.

so....fix them, on the 14th when the game is in full release you will have permission to whine. until then you are a beta tester, report what needs fixing and how to fix it then leave the rest to ccp. thats our job we're testers... until the 14th.

not broken falsely advertised. such as 5% pg bonus not giving it and instead 5% reduction to cpu for pg enhancers. tht a total of 4 cpu.

so....fix them, on the 14th when the game is in full release you will have permission to whine. until then you are a beta tester, report what needs fixing and how to fix it then leave the rest to ccp. thats our job we're testers... until the 14th.

Well, consider it a skill nerf then and know you are not the only person to experience a nerf.

To be fair, we are officially out of a beta. Not sure what we're in right now, but the release date is set on the 14th.

login screen still says "BETA - WORK IN PROGRESS". or something to that affect.

Link 1: You were told items were coming later.
Link 2: See link 1.
Link 3: Again, link 1. Also, I lol'ed at "It would be cool to have 5m SP again" as a reason.
Link 4: Broken skill is being worked on. The skill will work as intended soon.

Any more for me?

1. It creates an environment of expectancy of getting a re spec any time a new item is introduced or even worse when you make a mistake in spending. This is the most absolutely the very reason why there should NOT be a reset on the 14th. Instead the next reset should be made afterwards when if they fix the tree to be a proper level progression and consumption rate.

2. It generates what I like to call reset fatigue, anyone who has quite a few fits or a specially particular style of play assets or are a bit eccentric (like Entity) would have to spend HOURS getting back to where they where yesterday via setting up, buying things, re-configuring everything in their possession, this quickly becomes a chore in a game where resets even if equal valued to meet the same potential previously before the reset.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73748&find=unread nuff said.

Link 5:

Hello,

The current in game skill description for those 2 mentioned skills are not accurate and as previously advised our Tech team is currently looking at getting a fix deployed shortly to resolve this issue.

Again I do apologise for the inconvenience.

Regards,

GM Vegas
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | Dust 514


At best, you've provided evidence for a respec of one skill due to mislabeled effects. Please tell me how this entitles you to a full character remap. I await your response with bated breath. 'Nuf said.

Thanks for the input guys. This is our first time exposing an entirely overhauled skill tree to you guys, and we really appreciate your feedback and patience when it comes to discovering these unexpected issues.

I've tracked down the source of the problem and have a fix in place for skills that weren't applying their appropriate bonuses. Don't let this affect your skill choice. We'll get you guys sorted out so you can get your justly deserved bonuses :)

Re - MARAUDER TANKS: I can see us re-introducing them within the next 6 months. We need to have to have a hard think about how we can find a role for them in game that doesn't displace so many other vehicle and infantry roles. Anmol, please feel free to start another discussion thread on this if you want to follow it up, but let's keep this one for the vehicle core skills.

Link 5:

Hello,

The current in game skill description for those 2 mentioned skills are not accurate and as previously advised our Tech team is currently looking at getting a fix deployed shortly to resolve this issue.

Again I do apologise for the inconvenience.

Regards,

GM Vegas
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | Dust 514


At best, you've provided evidence for a respec of one skill due to mislabeled effects. Please tell me how this entitles you to a full character remap. I await your response with bated breath. 'Nuf said.

i want a repec cause this one skills ruins vehicle warefare. and TBH i wouldn't find if they just made the skill work. if not i don't want to use vehicles. you want to know why cause i planned how i was going to go about this build and CCP LIESS ABOUT THE SKILL. It's there fault not mine. they had these stats on sisi and on the patch notes. BUT THEY DIDN'T SEE IT. why should i be punished for wat they did. respec or many vehicle drivers will leave this game.

Then go. The problem is that the forum is filled with a VERY vocal minority whining about whatever they can, when fixes are in the works.

If there apology and vow to fix aren't enough for ya, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

PS: Thanks for confirming that it's the one skill irking you. If anything, I could see them resetting that one skill since it mislead people into skilling it up thinking it was giving a different effect, not the entire skill tree.

this skill absolutely changes everything for vehicles. this skill changes how vehicles work and as such should allow a respec as this 1 skill contains the fate of vehicles. if they fix the skill i wouldn't care. but me and 40 ppl at least agree tht we need a respec. there is 90 likes but some are alts voting and some are mains so about 40 ppl. thts more than u 2 scrubs who think everything is fine.

Eve's been running for 10 years, bub.

>Demands a respec
>We're the scrubs
>Cares about likes

I will say again, that I actually agree on the possibility of resetting that one skill since it says it does one thing but actually does another. The entire tree? Hell naw brah.

I think idiots like this should stop posting, eve is a completely different genre of a game, this is an FPS, this is not an RPG, just because there's a skill tree that never endsdoesnt mean people will stick around, I think created accounts vs active accounts proves that 10 fold. There's a new bigger and better FPS every quarter, you think players are gunna stick around after not one but two game breaking patches in a row? lol

The only reason actually FPS players are still here is because there is currently nothing new worth playing

Its simple really if there was the option for a respec at anytime all of your choices are meaningless. You would just pay a buck or whatever to play the flavor of the week and it does not belong in an rpg of any sort.

dude i don't care it's still beta. i want a respec on the day of release wats the problem. u are stubborn and refuse for vehicles to have their way.

they could do it like atributes in eve and only allow you to respec every year or every two years.

Alright, I'm going to try to make it as simple as possible, so please read the words I am typing.

I AGREE WITH YOU on the fact that the one skill should be reset since it says one thing but does another. THE ENTIRE TREE, however, should not, since the other skills (save one, being fixed) are working as they are described in the tree.

The community was told that more stuff is coming on the 14th. Hell, we're gonna be getting new stuff for years to come (inb4 "not gonna last that long"). I'll be damned if I see people whining about resets because the skill wasn't available to then the entire time.

Once more, I AGREE WITH RESETTING THE ONE SKILL. The entire tree is a no-go.

And here we go back to the beginning:

Give me one good reason to give the respec.

ur a non factor get out no one agrees with u.

Let me ask you this?

Would you rather I demand a reset?

OR

Fix the tree with a reset?

And here we go back to the beginning:

Give me one good reason to give the respec.

One, single, optional, end-of-beta, launch-day respec is not an unreasonable request.

It will not create false-expectations, nor make future, post-release choices meaningless, nor will it hurt those who choose not to respec.

It will simply allow those players to begin the game fresh, with the knowledge gained from the Beta, without losing their "reward" (the SP they've earned) for participating in the Beta and providing valuable feedback.

No choices that a player makes, as part of the Beta process, should be permanently set in stone.

Since we ARE beta testers, what is the harm of a skill respec? We're not even in it for real yet. Once the 14th hits and it is full release, respec on that day only, and only one respec. I think this is fair, since we're just beta testers.

A bit of fairness can go a long way considering newbs who get the game on the 14th will immediately find themselves against stacked corporations and 10.5 mil SP players.

EDIT: Also, new stuff on the 14th? Beta TESTERS? A skill respec is actually in favor of CCP and the function of the game, as more players can test more skills and provide feedback. See how that works?

A full respec over a few screwed up tank skillls? Refund the skills sure but a complete repec is ridiculous.

1. It creates an environment of expectancy of getting a re spec any time a new item is introduced or even worse when you make a mistake in spending. This is the most absolutely the very reason why there should NOT be a reset on the 14th. Instead the next reset should be made afterwards when if they fix the tree to be a proper level progression and consumption rate.

2. It generates what I like to call reset fatigue, anyone who has quite a few fits or a specially particular style of play assets or are a bit eccentric (like Entity) would have to spend HOURS getting back to where they where yesterday via setting up, buying things, re-configuring everything in their possession, this quickly becomes a chore in a game where resets even if equal valued to meet the same potential previously before the reset.

Agreed

As far as fatigue after 7 months, I just want to get real and play for keeps.

Neither of these things would result from a one-time only, end-of-Beta, optional respec.

No false expectancy, no fatigue, one time only, between Beta and Launch.

After that, all bets are off, and all decisions are final, but no player should be punished for decisions made during a BETA.

A Beta, by it's very nature, is a learning process.

Not sure when 7th became more of a pre launch, or maybe it always was intended that way. Ccp kind of missed out on opportunity here, if they let us respec a few times in this window we would end a lot of confusion and do a more thorough testing of the game.

Let me ask you this?

Would you rather I demand a reset?

OR

Fix the tree with a reset?

you have made your bed now you must lie in it.

EDIT for clarity of though: an extra respec is unnecessary there is nothing new to skill into and there for no reason to allow a reallocation of sp. if there was a big update that would warrant the reallocation of sp that would be different but if you simply didn't do your research before skilling thats nobodies problem but yours.

the reallocation of sp is a big deal and i think it should carry more weight than "i wasn't happy with my choice".

ITT thread: people against respecs because they want to keep others at a disadvantage.

Me? I carelessly spent 2 mill on the wrong racial basic suits, do I expect a respec? No, it was my own fault, I wasn't paying attention.

The situation with tankers is different however, simply changing the description or refunding that skill tree is not enough. there are people who decided their entire play-styles based on having certain bonuses. CCP should be thanking these players for finding mistakes in their skill system, not punishing them.

"You shouldn't have blown all your SP so early, you should have done research and waited for feedback". Some people did do research, which ended up rendered useless thanks to a mistake from CCP. feedback? from who? You mean these very same people who made mistakes so you wouldn't have too?

You not wanting a respec in the future just because you didn't make mistakes, or have to put up with CCP's, is purely selfish.

Though I agree with Iron Wolf in that we should wait till the skill tree is fixed before we get a respec, not the 14th.