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BobThe843CakeMan
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:41:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1. It creates an environment of expectancy of getting a re spec any time a new item is introduced or even worse when you make a mistake in spending. This is the most absolutely the very reason why there should NOT be a reset on the 14th. Instead the next reset should be made afterwards when if they fix the tree to be a proper level progression and consumption rate.
2. It generates what I like to call reset fatigue, anyone who has quite a few fits or a specially particular style of play assets or are a bit eccentric (like Entity) would have to spend HOURS getting back to where they where yesterday via setting up, buying things, re-configuring everything in their possession, this quickly becomes a chore in a game where resets even if equal valued to meet the same potential previously before the reset. it's not about the new crap. it's about the false labels on skills. it's completely broken and i shouldn't be punished because CCP decided screw it lets not change the labels to what the skills accually do.if they did we wouldn't be having this problem. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
225
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:49:00 -
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Link 5:
Hello,
The current in game skill description for those 2 mentioned skills are not accurate and as previously advised our Tech team is currently looking at getting a fix deployed shortly to resolve this issue.
Again I do apologise for the inconvenience.
Regards,
GM Vegas CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | Dust 514
At best, you've provided evidence for a respec of one skill due to mislabeled effects. Please tell me how this entitles you to a full character remap. I await your response with bated breath. 'Nuf said. |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
147
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:54:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Link 5: Hello, The current in game skill description for those 2 mentioned skills are not accurate and as previously advised our Tech team is currently looking at getting a fix deployed shortly to resolve this issue. Again I do apologise for the inconvenience. Regards, GM Vegas CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | Dust 514 At best, you've provided evidence for a respec of one skill due to mislabeled effects. Please tell me how this entitles you to a full character remap. I await your response with bated breath. 'Nuf said. oh! oh! i got a quote too!
CCP Blam! wrote:Thanks for the input guys. This is our first time exposing an entirely overhauled skill tree to you guys, and we really appreciate your feedback and patience when it comes to discovering these unexpected issues.
I've tracked down the source of the problem and have a fix in place for skills that weren't applying their appropriate bonuses. Don't let this affect your skill choice. We'll get you guys sorted out so you can get your justly deserved bonuses :)
Re - MARAUDER TANKS: I can see us re-introducing them within the next 6 months. We need to have to have a hard think about how we can find a role for them in game that doesn't displace so many other vehicle and infantry roles. Anmol, please feel free to start another discussion thread on this if you want to follow it up, but let's keep this one for the vehicle core skills. |
BobThe843CakeMan
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
292
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:54:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Link 5: Hello, The current in game skill description for those 2 mentioned skills are not accurate and as previously advised our Tech team is currently looking at getting a fix deployed shortly to resolve this issue. Again I do apologise for the inconvenience. Regards, GM Vegas CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | Dust 514 At best, you've provided evidence for a respec of one skill due to mislabeled effects. Please tell me how this entitles you to a full character remap. I await your response with bated breath. 'Nuf said. i want a repec cause this one skills ruins vehicle warefare. and TBH i wouldn't find if they just made the skill work. if not i don't want to use vehicles. you want to know why cause i planned how i was going to go about this build and CCP LIESS ABOUT THE SKILL. It's there fault not mine. they had these stats on sisi and on the patch notes. BUT THEY DIDN'T SEE IT. why should i be punished for wat they did. respec or many vehicle drivers will leave this game. |
Kane Fyea
BetaMax. CRONOS.
158
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:58:00 -
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I did fk up with some skills but I dont care.... It's my own fault I should have to pay for my decisions.
Plus who wants more protos on the field anyways =) |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
225
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:00:00 -
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BobThe843CakeMan wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Link 5: Hello, The current in game skill description for those 2 mentioned skills are not accurate and as previously advised our Tech team is currently looking at getting a fix deployed shortly to resolve this issue. Again I do apologise for the inconvenience. Regards, GM Vegas CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | Dust 514 At best, you've provided evidence for a respec of one skill due to mislabeled effects. Please tell me how this entitles you to a full character remap. I await your response with bated breath. 'Nuf said. i want a repec cause this one skills ruins vehicle warefare. and TBH i wouldn't find if they just made the skill work. if not i don't want to use vehicles. you want to know why cause i planned how i was going to go about this build and CCP LIESS ABOUT THE SKILL. It's there fault not mine. they had these stats on sisi and on the patch notes. BUT THEY DIDN'T SEE IT. why should i be punished for wat they did. respec or many vehicle drivers will leave this game.
Then go. The problem is that the forum is filled with a VERY vocal minority whining about whatever they can, when fixes are in the works.
If there apology and vow to fix aren't enough for ya, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
PS: Thanks for confirming that it's the one skill irking you. If anything, I could see them resetting that one skill since it mislead people into skilling it up thinking it was giving a different effect, not the entire skill tree. |
ca ronic
Moffit Bros
9
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:04:00 -
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We should respec every day until release. We are testers right? 5 days to test 7 years worth of skills. |
BobThe843CakeMan
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
292
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:07:00 -
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Quote:Then go. The problem is that the forum is filled with a VERY vocal minority whining about whatever they can, when fixes are in the works.
If there apology and vow to fix aren't enough for ya, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
PS: Thanks for confirming that it's the one skill irking you. If anything, I could see them resetting that one skill since it mislead people into skilling it up thinking it was giving a different effect, not the entire skill tree.
this skill absolutely changes everything for vehicles. this skill changes how vehicles work and as such should allow a respec as this 1 skill contains the fate of vehicles. if they fix the skill i wouldn't care. but me and 40 ppl at least agree tht we need a respec. there is 90 likes but some are alts voting and some are mains so about 40 ppl. thts more than u 2 scrubs who think everything is fine. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
225
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:11:00 -
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BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Quote:Then go. The problem is that the forum is filled with a VERY vocal minority whining about whatever they can, when fixes are in the works.
If there apology and vow to fix aren't enough for ya, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
PS: Thanks for confirming that it's the one skill irking you. If anything, I could see them resetting that one skill since it mislead people into skilling it up thinking it was giving a different effect, not the entire skill tree. this skill absolutely changes everything for vehicles. this skill changes how vehicles work and as such should allow a respec as this 1 skill contains the fate of vehicles. if they fix the skill i wouldn't care. but me and 40 ppl at least agree tht we need a respec. there is 90 likes but some are alts voting and some are mains so about 40 ppl. thts more than u 2 scrubs who think everything is fine.
>Demands a respec >We're the scrubs >Cares about likes
I will say again, that I actually agree on the possibility of resetting that one skill since it says it does one thing but actually does another. The entire tree? Hell naw brah. |
Vin Vicious
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:12:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Green Living wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:I have not seen one good argument for an optional respec. So CCP retains a player base? Have you seen the numbers lately bub? There wont be a game to play with your attitude. It's a one time respect on the 14th. I won't be using, but I don't need to stop others from doing it. Eve's been running for 10 years, bub.
I think idiots like this should stop posting, eve is a completely different genre of a game, this is an FPS, this is not an RPG, just because there's a skill tree that never endsdoesnt mean people will stick around, I think created accounts vs active accounts proves that 10 fold. There's a new bigger and better FPS every quarter, you think players are gunna stick around after not one but two game breaking patches in a row? lol
The only reason actually FPS players are still here is because there is currently nothing new worth playing |
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BobThe843CakeMan
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
292
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:12:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Quote:Then go. The problem is that the forum is filled with a VERY vocal minority whining about whatever they can, when fixes are in the works.
If there apology and vow to fix aren't enough for ya, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
PS: Thanks for confirming that it's the one skill irking you. If anything, I could see them resetting that one skill since it mislead people into skilling it up thinking it was giving a different effect, not the entire skill tree. this skill absolutely changes everything for vehicles. this skill changes how vehicles work and as such should allow a respec as this 1 skill contains the fate of vehicles. if they fix the skill i wouldn't care. but me and 40 ppl at least agree tht we need a respec. there is 90 likes but some are alts voting and some are mains so about 40 ppl. thts more than u 2 scrubs who think everything is fine. >Demands a respec >We're the scrubs >Cares about likes I will say again, that I actually agree on the possibility of resetting that one skill since it says it does one thing but actually does another. The entire tree? Hell naw brah. dude i don't care it's still beta. i want a respec on the day of release wats the problem. u are stubborn and refuse for vehicles to have their way. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
225
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:15:00 -
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Vin Vicious wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Green Living wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:I have not seen one good argument for an optional respec. So CCP retains a player base? Have you seen the numbers lately bub? There wont be a game to play with your attitude. It's a one time respect on the 14th. I won't be using, but I don't need to stop others from doing it. Eve's been running for 10 years, bub. I think idiots like this should stop posting, eve is a completely different genre of a game, this is an FPS, this is not an RPG, just because there's a skill tree that never endsdoesnt mean people will stick around, I think created accounts vs active accounts proves that 10 fold. There's a new bigger and better FPS every quarter, you think players are gunna stick around after not one but two game breaking patches in a row? lol The only reason actually FPS players are still here is because there is currently nothing new worth playing
Personally, I hold my 57 IQ in great pride, thank you.
While comparing Dust to Eve is like apples to oranges, CCP is attempting to make these two fruits grow from the same tree. Have a bit of faith.
Eve had a lot less people playing when it was in beta, you poopy-face. I can do name calling too! |
Ops Fox
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
246
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:16:00 -
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arimal lavaren wrote:Its simple really if there was the option for a respec at anytime all of your choices are meaningless. You would just pay a buck or whatever to play the flavor of the week and it does not belong in an rpg of any sort. they could do it like atributes in eve and only allow you to respec every year or every two years. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
225
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:18:00 -
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BobThe843CakeMan wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Quote:Then go. The problem is that the forum is filled with a VERY vocal minority whining about whatever they can, when fixes are in the works.
If there apology and vow to fix aren't enough for ya, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
PS: Thanks for confirming that it's the one skill irking you. If anything, I could see them resetting that one skill since it mislead people into skilling it up thinking it was giving a different effect, not the entire skill tree. this skill absolutely changes everything for vehicles. this skill changes how vehicles work and as such should allow a respec as this 1 skill contains the fate of vehicles. if they fix the skill i wouldn't care. but me and 40 ppl at least agree tht we need a respec. there is 90 likes but some are alts voting and some are mains so about 40 ppl. thts more than u 2 scrubs who think everything is fine. >Demands a respec >We're the scrubs >Cares about likes I will say again, that I actually agree on the possibility of resetting that one skill since it says it does one thing but actually does another. The entire tree? Hell naw brah. dude i don't care it's still beta. i want a respec on the day of release wats the problem. u are stubborn and refuse for vehicles to have their way.
Alright, I'm going to try to make it as simple as possible, so please read the words I am typing.
I AGREE WITH YOU on the fact that the one skill should be reset since it says one thing but does another. THE ENTIRE TREE, however, should not, since the other skills (save one, being fixed) are working as they are described in the tree.
The community was told that more stuff is coming on the 14th. Hell, we're gonna be getting new stuff for years to come (inb4 "not gonna last that long"). I'll be damned if I see people whining about resets because the skill wasn't available to then the entire time.
Once more, I AGREE WITH RESETTING THE ONE SKILL. The entire tree is a no-go. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
226
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:19:00 -
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Ops Fox wrote:arimal lavaren wrote:Its simple really if there was the option for a respec at anytime all of your choices are meaningless. You would just pay a buck or whatever to play the flavor of the week and it does not belong in an rpg of any sort. they could do it like atributes in eve and only allow you to respec every year or every two years.
Well, in Eve, you get to remap your attributes which affect skill times, not the actual points themselves. |
Lordbraveheart1
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:22:00 -
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Since we ARE beta testers, what is the harm of a skill respec? We're not even in it for real yet. Once the 14th hits and it is full release, respec on that day only, and only one respec. I think this is fair, since we're just beta testers.
A bit of fairness can go a long way considering newbs who get the game on the 14th will immediately find themselves against stacked corporations and 10.5 mil SP players.
EDIT: Also, new stuff on the 14th? Beta TESTERS? A skill respec is actually in favor of CCP and the function of the game, as more players can test more skills and provide feedback. See how that works? |
BobThe843CakeMan
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
292
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:23:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Quote:Then go. The problem is that the forum is filled with a VERY vocal minority whining about whatever they can, when fixes are in the works.
If there apology and vow to fix aren't enough for ya, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
PS: Thanks for confirming that it's the one skill irking you. If anything, I could see them resetting that one skill since it mislead people into skilling it up thinking it was giving a different effect, not the entire skill tree. this skill absolutely changes everything for vehicles. this skill changes how vehicles work and as such should allow a respec as this 1 skill contains the fate of vehicles. if they fix the skill i wouldn't care. but me and 40 ppl at least agree tht we need a respec. there is 90 likes but some are alts voting and some are mains so about 40 ppl. thts more than u 2 scrubs who think everything is fine. >Demands a respec >We're the scrubs >Cares about likes I will say again, that I actually agree on the possibility of resetting that one skill since it says it does one thing but actually does another. The entire tree? Hell naw brah. dude i don't care it's still beta. i want a respec on the day of release wats the problem. u are stubborn and refuse for vehicles to have their way. Alright, I'm going to try to make it as simple as possible, so please read the words I am typing. I AGREE WITH YOU on the fact that the one skill should be reset since it says one thing but does another. THE ENTIRE TREE, however, should not, since the other skills (save one, being fixed) are working as they are described in the tree. The community was told that more stuff is coming on the 14th. Hell, we're gonna be getting new stuff for years to come (inb4 "not gonna last that long"). I'll be damned if I see people whining about resets because the skill wasn't available to then the entire time. Once more, I AGREE WITH RESETTING THE ONE SKILL. The entire tree is a no-go. it's a beta give me one reason they should not respec. this is not the full game it's a bug tht ruins the entire plans of tank driving or any vehicle. they have been saying they were going to fix tanking for a year YET THEY NERF IT EVERYTIME. This skill only proves tht ccp hates vehicles. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
226
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:24:00 -
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And here we go back to the beginning:
Give me one good reason to give the respec. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
3988
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:25:00 -
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Let me ask you this?
Would you rather I demand a reset?
OR
Fix the tree with a reset? |
BobThe843CakeMan
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
292
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:26:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:And here we go back to the beginning:
Give me one good reason to give the respec. ur a non factor get out no one agrees with u. |
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
226
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:27:00 -
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BobThe843CakeMan wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:And here we go back to the beginning:
Give me one good reason to give the respec. ur a non factor get out no one agrees with u.
I'm quite comfy, thank you. |
BobThe843CakeMan
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
292
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:27:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Let me ask you this?
Would you rather I demand a reset?
OR
Fix the tree with a reset? i would rather u demand a respec
OR
Fix the tree and i wouldn't mind and there would be no reason to respec.
plus another respec is a plus allows ppl to try out more stuff.
Edit: by fix the tree i mean make the skills do as they say currently and wat they said in the patch notes. not to change them when i used my skill points already. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
226
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:28:00 -
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By the way, could we lock this thread? It's not contributing anything. |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege
11
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:29:00 -
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One, single, optional, end-of-beta, launch-day respec is not an unreasonable request.
It will not create false-expectations, nor make future, post-release choices meaningless, nor will it hurt those who choose not to respec.
It will simply allow those players to begin the game fresh, with the knowledge gained from the Beta, without losing their "reward" (the SP they've earned) for participating in the Beta and providing valuable feedback.
No choices that a player makes, as part of the Beta process, should be permanently set in stone. |
Lordbraveheart1
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:29:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:And here we go back to the beginning:
Give me one good reason to give the respec. I thought my reasoning behind being Beta Testers was valid.... |
Lordbraveheart1
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:30:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:One, single, optional, end-of-beta, launch-day respec is not an unreasonable request.
It will not create false-expectations, nor make future, post-release choices meaningless, nor will it hurt those who choose not to respec.
It will simply allow those players to begin the game fresh, with the knowledge gained from the Beta, without losing their "reward" (the SP they've earned) for participating in the Beta and providing valuable feedback.
No choices that a player makes, as part of the Beta process, should be permanently set in stone. I support you, 100%. Your position is clear and the logic rational. |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
374
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:30:00 -
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A full respec over a few screwed up tank skillls? Refund the skills sure but a complete repec is ridiculous. |
ca ronic
Moffit Bros
9
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:35:00 -
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Lordbraveheart1 wrote:Since we ARE beta testers, what is the harm of a skill respec? We're not even in it for real yet. Once the 14th hits and it is full release, respec on that day only, and only one respec. I think this is fair, since we're just beta testers.
A bit of fairness can go a long way considering newbs who get the game on the 14th will immediately find themselves against stacked corporations and 10.5 mil SP players.
EDIT: Also, new stuff on the 14th? Beta TESTERS? A skill respec is actually in favor of CCP and the function of the game, as more players can test more skills and provide feedback. See how that works? Right. Whats all the emotion against a respec about? I dont get it. |
ca ronic
Moffit Bros
9
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:39:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:A full respec over a few screwed up tank skillls? Refund the skills sure but a complete repec is ridiculous. Why? Should be optional so you dont have to go through the process again, if thats what you mean. At this point I'm not sure I would change anything anyway, but why is another respec to bad? |
Jin Robot
Polar Gooks
412
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1. It creates an environment of expectancy of getting a re spec any time a new item is introduced or even worse when you make a mistake in spending. This is the most absolutely the very reason why there should NOT be a reset on the 14th. Instead the next reset should be made afterwards when if they fix the tree to be a proper level progression and consumption rate.
2. It generates what I like to call reset fatigue, anyone who has quite a few fits or a specially particular style of play assets or are a bit eccentric (like Entity) would have to spend HOURS getting back to where they where yesterday via setting up, buying things, re-configuring everything in their possession, this quickly becomes a chore in a game where resets even if equal valued to meet the same potential previously before the reset. Agreed
As far as fatigue after 7 months, I just want to get real and play for keeps. |
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