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VLIGHT5 Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 57	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:11:00 - [1] - Quote It's always just little personal jabs at the person suggesting it. "It's your fault that you wasted your SP." ...Yes, we know that. Nobody is insinuating that CCP is forcing us to spend our SP against our will. Having an optional respec would harm nobody. If it was forced upon everybody, it would definitely be annoying for those who are content, but giving players the OPTION to redistribute would be fine and should not upset anyone.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 146	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:13:00 - [2] - Quote you have made your bed now you must lie in it.
Green Living Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 192	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:13:00 - [3] - Quote Agreed, an optional reset should be implemented. No sense in driving away the few players left playing this polished turd.
arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 228	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:15:00 - [4] - Quote Its simple really if there was the option for a respec at anytime all of your choices are meaningless. You would just pay a buck or whatever to play the flavor of the week and it does not belong in an rpg of any sort.
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 1427	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:16:00 - [5] - Quote The way I see it is that optional respecs for micropurchases removes some form of balance. If you are scheduled for a PC battle soon, then you can respec to be the kryptonite of what you know your opponent to be(if you have intel) and now have the advantage over them. The rich can respec without consequence, too.
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1252	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:19:00 - [6] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: you have made your bed now you must lie in it. I don't want a respec, but if you're going to use this cliche, you also have to extend the metaphor to include the fact that the pre-purchase, the mattress was described as being very comfortable and full of padding. Then people bought it and it turned out to be full of the shrapnel of no-longer-viable tanks. EDIT: For the record, I am firmly against any more than one respec for the rest of DUST's lifetime.
VLIGHT5 Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 58	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:19:00 - [7] - Quote I'm not suggesting that everybody should get a free respec whenever they want, I'm saying that we at least should get an optional one on the 14th.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:19:00 - [8] - Quote I have not seen one good argument for an optional respec.
BobThe843CakeMan Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 292	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:22:00 - [9] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I have not seen one good argument for an optional respec. ur dumb there are threads with reasons why everywhere.
Jin Robot Polar Gooks 411	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:24:00 - [10] - Quote Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP?

TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:24:00 - [11] - Quote BobThe843CakeMan wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I have not seen one good argument for an optional respec. ur dumb there are threads with reasons why everywhere. Link me one. I need a good laugh.
BobThe843CakeMan Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 292	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:25:00 - [12] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP? this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different.
Green Living Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 193	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:26:00 - [13] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I have not seen one good argument for an optional respec. So CCP retains a player base? Have you seen the numbers lately bub? There wont be a game to play with your attitude. It's a one time respect on the 14th. I won't be using, but I don't need to stop others from doing it.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:26:00 - [14] - Quote BobThe843CakeMan wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP? this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different. Most of the skills are working as intended, and the ones that aren't have been announced and are being fixed.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:27:00 - [15] - Quote Green Living wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I have not seen one good argument for an optional respec. So CCP retains a player base? Have you seen the numbers lately bub? There wont be a game to play with your attitude. It's a one time respect on the 14th. I won't be using, but I don't need to stop others from doing it. Eve's been running for 10 years, bub.
Green Living Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 193	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:28:00 - [16] - Quote This isn't EVE That's like comparing apples to oranges. Better argument please.
BobThe843CakeMan Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 292	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:28:00 - [17] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I have not seen one good argument for an optional respec. ur dumb there are threads with reasons why everywhere. Link me one. I need a good laugh. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74159&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73002&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74665&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74603&find=unread enough? there r more.
Jin Robot Polar Gooks 411	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:28:00 - [18] - Quote BobThe843CakeMan wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP? this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different. If there are broken skills, they will be fixed. If it just that you dont like the skill, buyer beware and all that. I dont see a valid point in this argument. Edit: as I was busy composing this, someone ninja'd me with exact same point.
BobThe843CakeMan Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 292	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:29:00 - [19] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP? this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different. Most of the skills are working as intended, and the ones that aren't have been announced and are being fixed. no they r announced to get fixed and by fixed they mean the labels.
BobThe843CakeMan Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 292	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:30:00 - [20] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP? this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different. If there are broken skills, they will be fixed. If it just that you dont like the skill, buyer beware and all that. I dont see a valid point in this argument. not broken falsely advertised. such as 5% pg bonus not giving it and instead 5% reduction to cpu for pg enhancers. tht a total of 4 cpu.

TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:31:00 - [21] - Quote BobThe843CakeMan wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I have not seen one good argument for an optional respec. ur dumb there are threads with reasons why everywhere. Link me one. I need a good laugh. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74159&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73002&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74665&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74603&find=unread enough? there r more. Link 1: You were told items were coming later. Link 2: See link 1. Link 3: Again, link 1. Also, I lol'ed at "It would be cool to have 5m SP again" as a reason. Link 4: Broken skill is being worked on. The skill will work as intended soon. Any more for me?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 3984	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:32:00 - [22] - Quote 1. It creates an environment of expectancy of getting a re spec any time a new item is introduced or even worse when you make a mistake in spending. This is the most absolutely the very reason why there should NOT be a reset on the 14th. Instead the next reset should be made afterwards when if they fix the tree to be a proper level progression and consumption rate. 2. It generates what I like to call reset fatigue, anyone who has quite a few fits or a specially particular style of play assets or are a bit eccentric (like Entity) would have to spend HOURS getting back to where they where yesterday via setting up, buying things, re-configuring everything in their possession, this quickly becomes a chore in a game where resets even if equal valued to meet the same potential previously before the reset.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 146	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:33:00 - [23] - Quote BobThe843CakeMan wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP? this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different. so....fix them, on the 14th when the game is in full release you will have permission to whine. until then you are a beta tester, report what needs fixing and how to fix it then leave the rest to ccp. thats our job we're testers... until the 14th.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:34:00 - [24] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP? this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different. so....fix them, on the 14th when the game is in full release you will have permission to whine. until then you are a beta tester, report what needs fixing and how to fix it then leave the rest to ccp. thats our job we're testers... until the 14th. To be fair, we are officially out of a beta. Not sure what we're in right now, but the release date is set on the 14th.
Jin Robot Polar Gooks 411	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:35:00 - [25] - Quote BobThe843CakeMan wrote: Jin Robot wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP? this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different. If there are broken skills, they will be fixed. If it just that you dont like the skill, buyer beware and all that. I dont see a valid point in this argument. not broken falsely advertised. such as 5% pg bonus not giving it and instead 5% reduction to cpu for pg enhancers. tht a total of 4 cpu. Well, consider it a skill nerf then and know you are not the only person to experience a nerf.
BobThe843CakeMan Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 292	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:35:00 - [26] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP? this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different. so....fix them, on the 14th when the game is in full release you will have permission to whine. until then you are a beta tester, report what needs fixing and how to fix it then leave the rest to ccp. thats our job we're testers... until the 14th. tht is a dull excuse. they said they r changing it to 5% reduction to cpu usage on pg upgrades. DEVs even said thts wat the change is. if so tanks r ruined. i'm not arguing with ppl who refuse to read.
BobThe843CakeMan Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 292	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:36:00 - [27] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: Jin Robot wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP? this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different. If there are broken skills, they will be fixed. If it just that you dont like the skill, buyer beware and all that. I dont see a valid point in this argument. not broken falsely advertised. such as 5% pg bonus not giving it and instead 5% reduction to cpu for pg enhancers. tht a total of 4 cpu. Well, consider it a skill nerf then and know you are not the only person to experience a nerf. dude it destroys the tank. and it wasn't even announced. the skill says it increases pg by 5% but it doesn't and DEVs says it's a typo.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 146	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:37:00 - [28] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: knight of 6 wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP? this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different. so....fix them, on the 14th when the game is in full release you will have permission to whine. until then you are a beta tester, report what needs fixing and how to fix it then leave the rest to ccp. thats our job we're testers... until the 14th. To be fair, we are officially out of a beta. Not sure what we're in right now, but the release date is set on the 14th. login screen still says "BETA - WORK IN PROGRESS". or something to that affect.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 223	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:38:00 - [29] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: knight of 6 wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP? this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different. so....fix them, on the 14th when the game is in full release you will have permission to whine. until then you are a beta tester, report what needs fixing and how to fix it then leave the rest to ccp. thats our job we're testers... until the 14th. To be fair, we are officially out of a beta. Not sure what we're in right now, but the release date is set on the 14th. login screen still says "BETA - WORK IN PROGRESS". or something to that affect. Ah, didn't catch that. I humbly rescind my past statement.
BobThe843CakeMan Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 292	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:39:00 - [30] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: BobThe843CakeMan wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I have not seen one good argument for an optional respec. ur dumb there are threads with reasons why everywhere. Link me one. I need a good laugh. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74159&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73002&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74665&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74603&find=unread enough? there r more. Link 1: You were told items were coming later. Link 2: See link 1. Link 3: Again, link 1. Also, I lol'ed at "It would be cool to have 5m SP again" as a reason. Link 4: Broken skill is being worked on. The skill will work as intended soon. Any more for me? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73748&find=unread nuff said.



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