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BobThe843CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:22:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:I have not seen one good argument for an optional respec. ur dumb there are threads with reasons why everywhere. |
BobThe843CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:25:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP? this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different. |
BobThe843CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:28:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:I have not seen one good argument for an optional respec. ur dumb there are threads with reasons why everywhere. Link me one. I need a good laugh. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74159&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73002&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74665&find=unread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74603&find=unread enough? there r more. |
BobThe843CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:29:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP? this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different. Most of the skills are working as intended, and the ones that aren't have been announced and are being fixed. no they r announced to get fixed and by fixed they mean the labels. |
BobThe843CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:30:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP? this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different. If there are broken skills, they will be fixed. If it just that you dont like the skill, buyer beware and all that. I dont see a valid point in this argument. not broken falsely advertised. such as 5% pg bonus not giving it and instead 5% reduction to cpu for pg enhancers. tht a total of 4 cpu. |
BobThe843CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:35:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP? this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different. so....fix them, on the 14th when the game is in full release you will have permission to whine. until then you are a beta tester, report what needs fixing and how to fix it then leave the rest to ccp. thats our job we're testers... until the 14th. tht is a dull excuse. they said they r changing it to 5% reduction to cpu usage on pg upgrades. DEVs even said thts wat the change is. if so tanks r ruined. i'm not arguing with ppl who refuse to read. |
BobThe843CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:36:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Jin Robot wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Yeah, I havent trolled when I stated my opinion that there will be new content in the future also, so I disagree with setting the precedent of allowing respec when new content is released. That reasonable enough for you OP? this isn't about the new gear it's about the skills and how they don't do what they r supposed to. by there label. and ccp even told us in the patch notes they were going to do this and no one even noticed in ccp tht the skill does something different. If there are broken skills, they will be fixed. If it just that you dont like the skill, buyer beware and all that. I dont see a valid point in this argument. not broken falsely advertised. such as 5% pg bonus not giving it and instead 5% reduction to cpu for pg enhancers. tht a total of 4 cpu. Well, consider it a skill nerf then and know you are not the only person to experience a nerf. dude it destroys the tank. and it wasn't even announced. the skill says it increases pg by 5% but it doesn't and DEVs says it's a typo. |
BobThe843CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:39:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Link 1: You were told items were coming later. Link 2: See link 1. Link 3: Again, link 1. Also, I lol'ed at "It would be cool to have 5m SP again" as a reason. Link 4: Broken skill is being worked on. The skill will work as intended soon. Any more for me? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73748&find=unread nuff said. |
BobThe843CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:41:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1. It creates an environment of expectancy of getting a re spec any time a new item is introduced or even worse when you make a mistake in spending. This is the most absolutely the very reason why there should NOT be a reset on the 14th. Instead the next reset should be made afterwards when if they fix the tree to be a proper level progression and consumption rate.
2. It generates what I like to call reset fatigue, anyone who has quite a few fits or a specially particular style of play assets or are a bit eccentric (like Entity) would have to spend HOURS getting back to where they where yesterday via setting up, buying things, re-configuring everything in their possession, this quickly becomes a chore in a game where resets even if equal valued to meet the same potential previously before the reset. it's not about the new crap. it's about the false labels on skills. it's completely broken and i shouldn't be punished because CCP decided screw it lets not change the labels to what the skills accually do.if they did we wouldn't be having this problem. |
BobThe843CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:54:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Link 5: Hello, The current in game skill description for those 2 mentioned skills are not accurate and as previously advised our Tech team is currently looking at getting a fix deployed shortly to resolve this issue. Again I do apologise for the inconvenience. Regards, GM Vegas CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | Dust 514 At best, you've provided evidence for a respec of one skill due to mislabeled effects. Please tell me how this entitles you to a full character remap. I await your response with bated breath. 'Nuf said. i want a repec cause this one skills ruins vehicle warefare. and TBH i wouldn't find if they just made the skill work. if not i don't want to use vehicles. you want to know why cause i planned how i was going to go about this build and CCP LIESS ABOUT THE SKILL. It's there fault not mine. they had these stats on sisi and on the patch notes. BUT THEY DIDN'T SEE IT. why should i be punished for wat they did. respec or many vehicle drivers will leave this game. |
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BobThe843CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:07:00 -
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Quote:Then go. The problem is that the forum is filled with a VERY vocal minority whining about whatever they can, when fixes are in the works.
If there apology and vow to fix aren't enough for ya, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
PS: Thanks for confirming that it's the one skill irking you. If anything, I could see them resetting that one skill since it mislead people into skilling it up thinking it was giving a different effect, not the entire skill tree.
this skill absolutely changes everything for vehicles. this skill changes how vehicles work and as such should allow a respec as this 1 skill contains the fate of vehicles. if they fix the skill i wouldn't care. but me and 40 ppl at least agree tht we need a respec. there is 90 likes but some are alts voting and some are mains so about 40 ppl. thts more than u 2 scrubs who think everything is fine. |
BobThe843CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:12:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Quote:Then go. The problem is that the forum is filled with a VERY vocal minority whining about whatever they can, when fixes are in the works.
If there apology and vow to fix aren't enough for ya, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
PS: Thanks for confirming that it's the one skill irking you. If anything, I could see them resetting that one skill since it mislead people into skilling it up thinking it was giving a different effect, not the entire skill tree. this skill absolutely changes everything for vehicles. this skill changes how vehicles work and as such should allow a respec as this 1 skill contains the fate of vehicles. if they fix the skill i wouldn't care. but me and 40 ppl at least agree tht we need a respec. there is 90 likes but some are alts voting and some are mains so about 40 ppl. thts more than u 2 scrubs who think everything is fine. >Demands a respec >We're the scrubs >Cares about likes I will say again, that I actually agree on the possibility of resetting that one skill since it says it does one thing but actually does another. The entire tree? Hell naw brah. dude i don't care it's still beta. i want a respec on the day of release wats the problem. u are stubborn and refuse for vehicles to have their way. |
BobThe843CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:23:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Quote:Then go. The problem is that the forum is filled with a VERY vocal minority whining about whatever they can, when fixes are in the works.
If there apology and vow to fix aren't enough for ya, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
PS: Thanks for confirming that it's the one skill irking you. If anything, I could see them resetting that one skill since it mislead people into skilling it up thinking it was giving a different effect, not the entire skill tree. this skill absolutely changes everything for vehicles. this skill changes how vehicles work and as such should allow a respec as this 1 skill contains the fate of vehicles. if they fix the skill i wouldn't care. but me and 40 ppl at least agree tht we need a respec. there is 90 likes but some are alts voting and some are mains so about 40 ppl. thts more than u 2 scrubs who think everything is fine. >Demands a respec >We're the scrubs >Cares about likes I will say again, that I actually agree on the possibility of resetting that one skill since it says it does one thing but actually does another. The entire tree? Hell naw brah. dude i don't care it's still beta. i want a respec on the day of release wats the problem. u are stubborn and refuse for vehicles to have their way. Alright, I'm going to try to make it as simple as possible, so please read the words I am typing. I AGREE WITH YOU on the fact that the one skill should be reset since it says one thing but does another. THE ENTIRE TREE, however, should not, since the other skills (save one, being fixed) are working as they are described in the tree. The community was told that more stuff is coming on the 14th. Hell, we're gonna be getting new stuff for years to come (inb4 "not gonna last that long"). I'll be damned if I see people whining about resets because the skill wasn't available to then the entire time. Once more, I AGREE WITH RESETTING THE ONE SKILL. The entire tree is a no-go. it's a beta give me one reason they should not respec. this is not the full game it's a bug tht ruins the entire plans of tank driving or any vehicle. they have been saying they were going to fix tanking for a year YET THEY NERF IT EVERYTIME. This skill only proves tht ccp hates vehicles. |
BobThe843CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:26:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:And here we go back to the beginning:
Give me one good reason to give the respec. ur a non factor get out no one agrees with u. |
BobThe843CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:27:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Let me ask you this?
Would you rather I demand a reset?
OR
Fix the tree with a reset? i would rather u demand a respec
OR
Fix the tree and i wouldn't mind and there would be no reason to respec.
plus another respec is a plus allows ppl to try out more stuff.
Edit: by fix the tree i mean make the skills do as they say currently and wat they said in the patch notes. not to change them when i used my skill points already. |
BobThe843CakeMan
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Posted - 2013.05.09 01:50:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:ITT thread: people against respecs because they want to keep others at a disadvantage.
Me? I carelessly spent 2 mill on the wrong racial basic suits, do I expect a respec? No, it was my own fault, I wasn't paying attention.
The situation with tankers is different however, simply changing the description or refunding that skill tree is not enough. there are people who decided their entire play-styles based on having certain bonuses. CCP should be thanking these players for finding mistakes in their skill system, not punishing them.
"You shouldn't have blown all your SP so early, you should have done research and waited for feedback". Some people did do research, which ended up rendered useless thanks to a mistake from CCP. feedback? from who? You mean these very same people who made mistakes so you wouldn't have too?
You not wanting a respec in the future just because you didn't make mistakes, or have to put up with CCP's, is purely selfish.
Though I agree with Iron Wolf in that we should wait till the skill tree is fixed before we get a respec, not the 14th. someone understands. along with others tht i'm to lazy to quote as of now. |
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