Real Talk here:

For over a year now we have been telling CCP that they should not balance the game based on pubs because pubs dont give an accurate view of how OP or UP something is, only an organised setting can show this aka corp v corp matches.

You dont even play your game, dont even try to tell me u do cuz im quite convinced now that u DONT.
Playing the game for u seems to be looking at data data data not actual ingame play.

How do u nerf heavies range on top of lack of SS???
How do u ignore the threads with all the tank feedback from various tankers on how to balance tanks vs infantry and still hit it with another nerf?

Of ******* course tankers in VANILLA ambush will rip **** apart, there are NO supply depots there and u made it so that vanilla ambush u can drop vehicles. Its a SAFE HAVEN for vehicle users cuz most ppl will say "**** it let someone else deal with the tank im not suiciding to change fits" or "**** that when i switch to AV i cant switch back unless i die"

YOU implemented a mode that allowed vehicles to stomp RANDOMS. When OMS came out vanilla should of been immedately changed to infantry only.


Also u balance based on newbies and randoms........BAD BAD BAD IDEA.
U dont want randoms to get stomped? nerfs affect them MORE. We vets will STILL ass **** them how can u NOT get this yet?
Want to save newbies and randoms? then pay attention for once.

1. FIX your damn FW so that there is ALWAYS a shitload of battles goin and make a "Team Deploy" option so we can bring in full teams and not play the Q-Sync lottery.

2. Put REAL rewards in FW. BUMP ISK for Winners and add the PC loot system. Get LP and an LP store into the game ASAP

3. PvE this should of been out already its another fun way for randoms to gain SP and ISK


THATS how u save newbies CCP, by giving an incentive and making it attractive to go out there and actually DO FW games. Vets and large corps will leave instant battles and move to FW for the more organised team setting that a full team brings.

Randoms and Newbies are now alot safer in Instant Battle altho there will still bee a few pubstars that stick in there but it will be minimal.

CPM............i feel bad for u guys, good luck fixing CCPs constant **** ups. As for me its nice to know all the feedback ive been giving has been ignored in favour of more nerfs to different roles.....LOL gg.

Only thing I agree with here is PvE should be out. The rest just reads "Bragaghgggh mad bro"
No balance issues mentioned.

It didn't change, it's just broken at the moment. You'll get your 25% pg... Just not yet. This is day 2-3 after the update? Sorry, but it just came across as ranting.

The PvE thing caught my attention, because I'm going to go but defiance later today for my PvE needs.

ITS CHANGED
READ what Blam said
the WORDING is wrong on the skill he said it wont give u the 25% PG
try again cuz atm its just lookin as if you are clueless to the issues

Face it Mavado, you're boned.

You've always been boned.

If you or I get vehicles worth speccing into, the TANKS514 threads will be back, just like in the E3 build.

And you and I both know I'm not talking about putting them back to that level. I'm talking about the horrifying thought of a vehicle that can't be soloed. That requires TEAMWORK to take down.

Vehicles you can't solo = BAD GAME

Then this game loses part of the diversity
tbh tanks werent even that bad in E3 build.
We melted tanks like butter
problem then is the SAME problem we still have
ppl with garbage AV trying to take down proper fitted tanks

we would down a sagaris in 10secs with a combined effort of 3 guys

the only problem i see is tank spam. but at some point ppl gotta realise that ur own tanks are necessary

CCP Blam said
"Thanks for the input guys. This is our first time exposing an entirely overhauled skill tree to you guys, and we really appreciate your feedback and patience when it comes to discovering these unexpected issues.

I've tracked down the source of the problem and have a fix in place for skills that weren't applying their appropriate bonuses. Don't let this affect your skill choice. We'll get you guys sorted out so you can get your justly deserved."

So... patience, and they'll get you the 25% PG.
IF there are no skill based PG increases for vehicles AFTER they fix things, then yeah, vehicle guys might have some issues. Specifically regarding the FW/PC vs pub games, 14th should sort most of that out.

No we wont

The 25% bonus is gone

Its been replaced, i have petition CCP on this matter and they have changed the skill descriptions from something useful ie 25% to something is barely worth skilling into

I have a thread devoted to CCP stealth nerf, read the OP, its a stealth nerf vehicles are getting nerfed in the core skills while dropsuits get to keep ther 25% bonus

lolTonydoesntread

the skill has the wrong wording
Blam said its not goin to give us a 25% PG bonus again
Blam reasoning was that they looked at "data" (ty ambush tankers) and saw tanks survived alot (no **** with no supply depot) and they felt its best to change the PG skill cuz it "creates more diverse roles" aka making it easier to take out even tho it was already pathetically easy all because "data" showed this. So yea tony i dont just "rant" for the hell of it, my posts are always there containing something ccp said or did to initiate a critical response like that.

ITS CHANGED
READ what Blam said
the WORDING is wrong on the skill he said it wont give u the 25% PG
try again cuz atm its just lookin as if you are clueless to the issues

Really? Got a source for that?

Here are my CCP Blam! posts that sound like he's saying the skill is going to be fixed:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=766620#post766620
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=768244#post768244

And here's one from CCP Frame that also seems to imply the problem is with the functionality of the skill, not the description:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=759326#post759326

Contrasting this is the OP in one of the threads CCP Blam! posted in, with a quote from GM Vegas:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=761680

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In this case, there isn't a clear-cut answer given by either of the devs, but they both imply that the GM answer was NOT correct, while failing to confirm which way it's going to go.

Then this game loses part of the diversity
tbh tanks werent even that bad in E3 build.
We melted tanks like butter
problem then is the SAME problem we still have
ppl with garbage AV trying to take down proper fitted tanks

we would down a sagaris in 10secs with a combined effort of 3 guys

the only problem i see is tank spam. but at some point ppl gotta realise that ur own tanks are necessary

Mavado, would you be willing to take a max ammo limitation on vehicles in exchange for a buff to their HP so we don't get soloed by AV anymore?

I think the only way we're going to be able to make vehicles a viable specialization is to compromise.

LOL
how is that gonna help?
have u not realized CCP removed supply depots
there is like 1 on each map now

only way i can even see that coming into play is via some ammo module and tbqh we are already STARVED for PG on ALL vehicles so yea......

A lot of truth in your ranty OP, Mavado ;)

I think one of the things we're seeing right now is that because of the higher sp requirements to get into proto suits, peeps haven't put many sp into AV yet. This will change over time, especially with the vets.

It's still fairly inexpensive spwise to get into a decent (AUR)swarm fit, but i think a lot of peeps are waiting for the plasma cannon to make a decision on where to put their now-precious sp.

You make a lot of good points, but for me the most valuable point is that pubs cannot be used to balance DUST. I honestly think it's a life-or-death issue for DUST. Not trying to be dramatic, and i feel it should be obvious to the devs also.

Balance can only be set when considering the synergies of combined arms used intelligently by integrated, coordinated teams.

Once that balance is acheived, then the devs have to look at what other non-balance-destroying measures can be taken to guarantee a good player experience for the pubbies.

To be fair to CCP, their first real opportunity to look at a large and consistent dataset for integrated intelligent warfare with all the tools at hand will be PC. We need to make sure we're giving the dev's reasonable, coherent and constructive feedback whan PC goes live.

irc last night
ask noc, telc, tiel and anyone else that was drilling blam on vehicle issues
hell they didnt even know turrets werent hitting elevated targets or targets below u..........

Mavado u are plainly wrong. The balance atm is much more better then it was in chromosome. I d only roll back the dmg to HMGs and thats it.

There is so much more variety now in every single match than i was seeing in dozen matche prior uprising. If your wpn of choice got the nerf so did lot of others. Dont be a sissy, HTFU and adapt.

The balance changes that are happening in EVE are much more in favor to the newbies and that can only be a good thing. Same is for DUST.