Only thing I agree with here is PvE should be out. The rest just reads "Bragaghgggh mad bro"
No balance issues mentioned.

It didn't change, it's just broken at the moment. You'll get your 25% pg... Just not yet. This is day 2-3 after the update? Sorry, but it just came across as ranting.

The PvE thing caught my attention, because I'm going to go but defiance later today for my PvE needs.

Face it Mavado, you're boned.

You've always been boned.

If you or I get vehicles worth speccing into, the TANKS514 threads will be back, just like in the E3 build.

And you and I both know I'm not talking about putting them back to that level. I'm talking about the horrifying thought of a vehicle that can't be soloed. That requires TEAMWORK to take down.

Vehicles you can't solo = BAD GAME

No we wont

The 25% bonus is gone

Its been replaced, i have petition CCP on this matter and they have changed the skill descriptions from something useful ie 25% to something is barely worth skilling into

I have a thread devoted to CCP stealth nerf, read the OP, its a stealth nerf vehicles are getting nerfed in the core skills while dropsuits get to keep ther 25% bonus

Really? Got a source for that?

Here are my CCP Blam! posts that sound like he's saying the skill is going to be fixed:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=766620#post766620
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=768244#post768244

And here's one from CCP Frame that also seems to imply the problem is with the functionality of the skill, not the description:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=759326#post759326

Contrasting this is the OP in one of the threads CCP Blam! posted in, with a quote from GM Vegas:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=761680

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In this case, there isn't a clear-cut answer given by either of the devs, but they both imply that the GM answer was NOT correct, while failing to confirm which way it's going to go.

Mavado, would you be willing to take a max ammo limitation on vehicles in exchange for a buff to their HP so we don't get soloed by AV anymore?

I think the only way we're going to be able to make vehicles a viable specialization is to compromise.

A lot of truth in your ranty OP, Mavado ;)

I think one of the things we're seeing right now is that because of the higher sp requirements to get into proto suits, peeps haven't put many sp into AV yet. This will change over time, especially with the vets.

It's still fairly inexpensive spwise to get into a decent (AUR)swarm fit, but i think a lot of peeps are waiting for the plasma cannon to make a decision on where to put their now-precious sp.

You make a lot of good points, but for me the most valuable point is that pubs cannot be used to balance DUST. I honestly think it's a life-or-death issue for DUST. Not trying to be dramatic, and i feel it should be obvious to the devs also.

Balance can only be set when considering the synergies of combined arms used intelligently by integrated, coordinated teams.

Once that balance is acheived, then the devs have to look at what other non-balance-destroying measures can be taken to guarantee a good player experience for the pubbies.

To be fair to CCP, their first real opportunity to look at a large and consistent dataset for integrated intelligent warfare with all the tools at hand will be PC. We need to make sure we're giving the dev's reasonable, coherent and constructive feedback whan PC goes live.

Mavado u are plainly wrong. The balance atm is much more better then it was in chromosome. I d only roll back the dmg to HMGs and thats it.

There is so much more variety now in every single match than i was seeing in dozen matche prior uprising. If your wpn of choice got the nerf so did lot of others. Dont be a sissy, HTFU and adapt.

The balance changes that are happening in EVE are much more in favor to the newbies and that can only be a good thing. Same is for DUST.

Which is the most up-to-date information? IRC last night, or the forums today?

Hmmm.... tough call...

Hi all. I've been reading through and we appreciate your feedback.

You're right about the vehicle engineering skill. For the other posters, I'm assuming you mean the vehicle core upgrades skill?

The reason for lowering the overall bonus was to allow us to create a more varied difference in between our different vehicle roles within the same class. This will become more apparent in the future when we release even more roles with different slot layouts. We also want to make sure that new players have a fighting chance against more skill point rich players who can enjoy the benefit of compounding premium module bonuses in the same fitting. We'll be keeping a close eye on how this nets out in vehicle combat, and ensure that we still afford you the ability to create interesting and unique fits to compliment your combat experience.

Best regards,
- CCP Blam!