I second that.

It's one thing to give us a bunch of stupid skills and let us skill into them if we think we can make them work.

It's quite another to give us a list of skill descriptions that make them sound useful, then give us skills which don't actually do what they say.

According to a dev post in one of the Feedback stickies (asked someone for a source, ended up finding it myself), there's a known issue with "the PG skill", and they're "going to fix it". No official confirmation of whether the issue was the text or the functionality, and no word on which the "fix" will be fixing, and no word on the possibility of a refund of the relevant SP so we can re-skill into things that work, or re-skill into tanks as we INTENDED instead of over-skilling if they do fix it.

Bump for tankers

So let me get this straight...

I spent an hour calculating "Can I build a reasonable Tank again?" with the skills AS THEY WERE LISTED and came to the conclusion "Yes, but it is very expensive." No problem for me, I love Heavy Vehicle Combat in games as it helps breakup the monotony of shooting people and am willing to really pay for it.

So there went like 3-4 million points into vehicles that are now utterly useless. It was not like I said "I want a Prototype Assault Suit again!"; I was careful and planned out everything. But because the skill was lying to me, I not only wasted an hour planning, wasted all those Skill Points, but now have the pleasure of being furious through no fault of my own...

Thank you for bringing this to my attention OP.

You've gotta be kidding, without the extra PG all tanks are seriously nerfed, if this is true you might as well consider tanks moved from endangered to critically endangered, I was willing to tank on despite proto AV still being massively over the tank but if i'd known you were hitting them with the nerf hammer again I wouldn't have bothered.

Hi all. I've been reading through and we appreciate your feedback.

You're right about the vehicle engineering skill. For the other posters, I'm assuming you mean the vehicle core upgrades skill?

The reason for lowering the overall bonus was to allow us to create a more varied difference in between our different vehicle roles within the same class. This will become more apparent in the future when we release even more roles with different slot layouts. We also want to make sure that new players have a fighting chance against more skill point rich players who can enjoy the benefit of compounding premium module bonuses in the same fitting. We'll be keeping a close eye on how this nets out in vehicle combat, and ensure that we still afford you the ability to create interesting and unique fits to compliment your combat experience.

Best regards,
- CCP Blam!

I've seen one link where it has been said that its a bug and they'll fix it soon and one where it was said that the description is wrong and the skill is supposed to say 5% reduction to powergrid module CPU use, which one is correct?

Hi all. I've been reading through and we appreciate your feedback.

You're right about the vehicle engineering skill. For the other posters, I'm assuming you mean the vehicle core upgrades skill?

The reason for lowering the overall bonus was to allow us to create a more varied difference in between our different vehicle roles within the same class. This will become more apparent in the future when we release even more roles with different slot layouts. We also want to make sure that new players have a fighting chance against more skill point rich players who can enjoy the benefit of compounding premium module bonuses in the same fitting. We'll be keeping a close eye on how this nets out in vehicle combat, and ensure that we still afford you the ability to create interesting and unique fits to compliment your combat experience.

Best regards,
- CCP Blam!

Hi all. I've been reading through and we appreciate your feedback.

You're right about the vehicle engineering skill. For the other posters, I'm assuming you mean the vehicle core upgrades skill?

The reason for lowering the overall bonus was to allow us to create a more varied difference in between our different vehicle roles within the same class. This will become more apparent in the future when we release even more roles with different slot layouts. We also want to make sure that new players have a fighting chance against more skill point rich players who can enjoy the benefit of compounding premium module bonuses in the same fitting. We'll be keeping a close eye on how this nets out in vehicle combat, and ensure that we still afford you the ability to create interesting and unique fits to compliment your combat experience.

Best regards,
- CCP Blam!

Hi all. I've been reading through and we appreciate your feedback.

You're right about the vehicle engineering skill. For the other posters, I'm assuming you mean the vehicle core upgrades skill?

The reason for lowering the overall bonus was to allow us to create a more varied difference in between our different vehicle roles within the same class. This will become more apparent in the future when we release even more roles with different slot layouts. We also want to make sure that new players have a fighting chance against more skill point rich players who can enjoy the benefit of compounding premium module bonuses in the same fitting. We'll be keeping a close eye on how this nets out in vehicle combat, and ensure that we still afford you the ability to create interesting and unique fits to compliment your combat experience.

Best regards,
- CCP Blam!

Hi all. I've been reading through and we appreciate your feedback.

You're right about the vehicle engineering skill. For the other posters, I'm assuming you mean the vehicle core upgrades skill?

The reason for lowering the overall bonus was to allow us to create a more varied difference in between our different vehicle roles within the same class. This will become more apparent in the future when we release even more roles with different slot layouts. We also want to make sure that new players have a fighting chance against more skill point rich players who can enjoy the benefit of compounding premium module bonuses in the same fitting. We'll be keeping a close eye on how this nets out in vehicle combat, and ensure that we still afford you the ability to create interesting and unique fits to compliment your combat experience.

Best regards,
- CCP Blam!

Hi all. I've been reading through and we appreciate your feedback.

You're right about the vehicle engineering skill. For the other posters, I'm assuming you mean the vehicle core upgrades skill?

The reason for lowering the overall bonus was to allow us to create a more varied difference in between our different vehicle roles within the same class. This will become more apparent in the future when we release even more roles with different slot layouts. We also want to make sure that new players have a fighting chance against more skill point rich players who can enjoy the benefit of compounding premium module bonuses in the same fitting. We'll be keeping a close eye on how this nets out in vehicle combat, and ensure that we still afford you the ability to create interesting and unique fits to compliment your combat experience.

Best regards,
- CCP Blam!

Put it this way

To run an armor tank you need to always run a PG extention module because using a 180plate, a heavy repper and even a basic turret makes you go over your PG

Shield has the same problem but at least shield has a choice of PG diagnostic systems aswell as PG extenders

You have made tanks always need a PG extention module no matter what fit you try to use

Only way to get around the PG extention module is to turn to using light reppers or light armor/shield extnders which reduces your tank and also reduced your ability to rep back as much damage

Proto AV still kicks arse and free hacked AV nades aint helping either since everyone carrys them not too mention the turret elevation but which effects all turrets and makes killing that AV fella on a small hill impossible

Basically its a bad move and its gimping tanks even more

on a gunnlogi i can not fit a heavy shield extender a heavy shield booster and large blaster, any of them even with 2 15% powergrid upgrades. i am still 100 pg short with missiles for my small turrets for fitting STD blaster which has the lowest pg requirements. that's just wrong.

Hi all. I've been reading through and we appreciate your feedback.

You're right about the vehicle engineering skill. For the other posters, I'm assuming you mean the vehicle core upgrades skill?

The reason for lowering the overall bonus was to allow us to create a more varied difference in between our different vehicle roles within the same class. This will become more apparent in the future when we release even more roles with different slot layouts. We also want to make sure that new players have a fighting chance against more skill point rich players who can enjoy the benefit of compounding premium module bonuses in the same fitting. We'll be keeping a close eye on how this nets out in vehicle combat, and ensure that we still afford you the ability to create interesting and unique fits to compliment your combat experience.

Best regards,
- CCP Blam!

Hi all. I've been reading through and we appreciate your feedback.

You're right about the vehicle engineering skill. For the other posters, I'm assuming you mean the vehicle core upgrades skill?

The reason for lowering the overall bonus was to allow us to create a more varied difference in between our different vehicle roles within the same class. This will become more apparent in the future when we release even more roles with different slot layouts. We also want to make sure that new players have a fighting chance against more skill point rich players who can enjoy the benefit of compounding premium module bonuses in the same fitting. We'll be keeping a close eye on how this nets out in vehicle combat, and ensure that we still afford you the ability to create interesting and unique fits to compliment your combat experience.

Best regards,
- CCP Blam!

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