DUST Search - CCP why the vehicle PG stealth nerf?

Nguruthos IX wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

In game right now

Vehicle core upgrades - +1% to vehicle maximum PG and CPU per level

Vehicle engineering - 5% increase in vehicle maximum PG per level

Quote:

Hello,

Thanks for your email.

We are aware of an issue with sp,e skills that not operate as described and our Tech team is currently looking at having a fix deployed very soon in order to get the problem sorted. For information, the following skills and correct descriptions should be:

Vehicle Core Upgrades -> +1% PG per level.
Vehicle Engineering -> Reduces the CPU usage requirement of powergrid upgrade modules at -5% per level.

I do apologise for the inconvenience.

Regards,

GM Vegas
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | Dust 514

Confirmed - Vehicles have had a PG stealth nerf

Why?

This makes no sense. It was not mentioned in patch notes and ruins too many fittings and setups to make any sense at all.

It's far more likely the ticket-master made a typo or misread something.


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Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 465	Posted - 2013.05.07 14:16:00 - [1] - Quote In game right now Vehicle core upgrades - +1% to vehicle maximum PG and CPU per level Vehicle engineering - 5% increase in vehicle maximum PG per level Quote: Hello, Thanks for your email. We are aware of an issue with sp,e skills that not operate as described and our Tech team is currently looking at having a fix deployed very soon in order to get the problem sorted. For information, the following skills and correct descriptions should be: Vehicle Core Upgrades -> +1% PG per level. Vehicle Engineering -> Reduces the CPU usage requirement of powergrid upgrade modules at -5% per level. I do apologise for the inconvenience. Regards, GM Vegas CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| Dust 514 Confirmed - Vehicles have had a PG stealth nerf Why?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 465	Posted - 2013.05.07 14:20:00 - [2] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: In game right now Vehicle core upgrades - +1% to vehicle maximum PG and CPU per level Vehicle engineering - 5% increase in vehicle maximum PG per level Quote: Hello, Thanks for your email. We are aware of an issue with sp,e skills that not operate as described and our Tech team is currently looking at having a fix deployed very soon in order to get the problem sorted. For information, the following skills and correct descriptions should be: Vehicle Core Upgrades -> +1% PG per level. Vehicle Engineering -> Reduces the CPU usage requirement of powergrid upgrade modules at -5% per level. I do apologise for the inconvenience. Regards, GM Vegas CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| Dust 514 Confirmed - Vehicles have had a PG stealth nerf Why? This makes no sense. It was not mentioned in patch notes and ruins too many fittings and setups to make any sense at all. It's far more likely the ticket-master made a typo or misread something. I really do hoep so Im sending a another ticket back to find out
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 468	Posted - 2013.05.07 15:10:00 - [3] - Quote Got a reply asking if the skills and numbers they replied with were correct, i got this Quote: Hello, The current in game skill description for those 2 mentioned skills are not accurate and as previously advised our Tech team is currently looking at getting a fix deployed shortly to resolve this issue. Again I do apologise for the inconvenience. Regards, GM Vegas CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| Dust 514 It looks like all vehicles have got a stealth nerf
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 471	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:22:00 - [4] - Quote Hey Vehicle users You got an extra stealth nerf It seems Vehicle Engineering was never ment to add 5% more PG per level
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 472	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:41:00 - [5] - Quote Halador Osiris wrote: WHOA.... I bumped that to level 5 thinking they'd fix that skill and I'd be good to go. Now I want my SP back.. Yup 11mil SP all into vehicles and its effectively been stealth nerfed
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 472	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:49:00 - [6] - Quote Peter Hanther wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=759326#post759326 It appears to actually just be a glitch. now we know why the patch hit before they release the game. FFS stop being so stupid Read the OP ffs We have got a stealth nerf, the skill descriptions have changed and its a change for the worse
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 472	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:06:00 - [7] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Firstly, this BETTER NOT BE TRUE, because in that case, vehicles are obsolete. Secondly, it deosn't address Electronics not applying any CPU bonus. Thirdly, even if it's meant to reduce CPU use of PG modules, IT STILL DOESN'T WORK. Everything so far is pointing it out to be true and that it will be a change for the worse Im still waiting for a reply to various petitions i have put in
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 473	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:11:00 - [8] - Quote Spy Mouse wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Firstly, this BETTER NOT BE TRUE, because in that case, vehicles are obsolete. Secondly, it deosn't address Electronics not applying any CPU bonus. Thirdly, even if it's meant to reduce CPU use of PG modules, IT STILL DOESN'T WORK. Vehicle Electronics does apply a CPU bonus. there is nothing wrong with that skill. It should do im sure it did last build Last build we had skills which added 5% to PG/CPU per level to vehicle maximum PG/CPU These are core skills that are the same in EVE and also for the dropsuits in DUST, why should vehicles not get any core skills?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 476	Posted - 2013.05.07 22:14:00 - [9] - Quote Spy Mouse wrote: I have done some testing and I can confirm: Vehicle Core Upgrades and Vehicle Electronics are working as described. Vehicle Engineering decreases CPU usage of PG modules by 5% per level. So on core skills which dropsuits have access to aswell vehicle users are getting ****** over yet again
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 476	Posted - 2013.05.07 23:11:00 - [10] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: My PG Expansion unit that should cost 15 cpu only costs me 11 cpu. So I would like my SP refunded that I used to take Vehicle Engineering to 5. Worthless skill. Do any tanks even have CPU issues? I only ever run into PG problems. The core skills have basically gone We as vehicle users are getting ****** over, we have wasted SP into things which do not work and will not work either when they have fixed them either because they will still not do what they used to do in the last build Yet dropsuits have the same skills but yet the bonuses are the same as last build

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 479	Posted - 2013.05.08 10:49:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Blam! wrote: Hi all. I've been reading through and we appreciate your feedback. You're right about the vehicle engineering skill. For the other posters, I'm assuming you mean the vehicle core upgrades skill? The reason for lowering the overall bonus was to allow us to create a more varied difference in between our different vehicle roles within the same class. This will become more apparent in the future when we release even more roles with different slot layouts. We also want to make sure that new players have a fighting chance against more skill point rich players who can enjoy the benefit of compounding premium module bonuses in the same fitting. We'll be keeping a close eye on how this nets out in vehicle combat, and ensure that we still afford you the ability to create interesting and unique fits to compliment your combat experience. Best regards, - CCP Blam! Put it this way To run an armor tank you need to always run a PG extention module because using a 180plate, a heavy repper and even a basic turret makes you go over your PG Shield has the same problem but at least shield has a choice of PG diagnostic systems aswell as PG extenders You have made tanks always need a PG extention module no matter what fit you try to use Only way to get around the PG extention module is to turn to using light reppers or light armor/shield extnders which reduces your tank and also reduced your ability to rep back as much damage Proto AV still kicks arse and free hacked AV nades aint helping either since everyone carrys them not too mention the turret elevation but which effects all turrets and makes killing that AV fella on a small hill impossible Basically its a bad move and its gimping tanks even more
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 479	Posted - 2013.05.08 11:40:00 - [12] - Quote The only way i can fit a turret onto my current Gunlogi fit is by using the advanced turrets, with the madrugar i struggle to fit on a basic large turret If i could have another SP reset i would avoid armor tanks altogether, maybe even go dropship since nothing will shoot it down if its a HAV anyways and i can deal with swarms easily enough But armor is more gimped than shield But i do agree we should have another SP reset, alot of the skills have lied to us and we skilled up expecting what was on the skill book essentially throwing SP away
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 498	Posted - 2013.05.08 12:40:00 - [13] - Quote Ignoble Son wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: derp Man, never have I seen something so simple yet so relevant and apt to a given situation such as this. This sums everything up perfectly. Yup Derpships, derptanks, derpturrets
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 506	Posted - 2013.05.08 15:21:00 - [14] - Quote Covert Clay wrote: Thumbs up if your forgetting tanking and skilling into something else. Part of me is saying skill into assault or logi and just take the easy route But i dont want to scrub up into a suit, i like my HAV and its getting ruined
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 526	Posted - 2013.05.09 08:04:00 - [15] - Quote Only way for CCP to make it right is to give us a SP respec Out of all the classes we had several skills which lied to use and required us to also skill into dropsuit skills aswell as general nerfing of tanks