Not me smart guy. Some of us recognized Open Beta was the end of the line and did it smart. All Aurum spent on Boosters, Blueprints and UVT's. Getting reimbursed for Blueprints and unused UVT's. All Boosters were magically transformed into Skill Points as were the use of all perishables. 'Dragonfly's' and 'Toxins' stacked, racked and ready to sell when the open market kicks in someday. Nope feeling pretty good. And tight...very tight. Thank you.

I've already posted this tonight, but what the kitten...

lrn2ingrish.


This is NOT ambiguous wording. It doesn't imply (in any way) that a character reset is required for the Merc Pack to be refunded on commercial release. The use of the word "and" in the context in which it's used implies the exact opposite - a refund of the Merc Pack's contents WITHOUT a reset.

Whether people chose to take it that way or not, that IS what the description said when I bought my Merc Pack, and it IS what the description said for many other customers buying the same product.

I'm not "parsing" the language, just reposting what was clearly stated and pointing out that it was clearly stated. People trying to argue against these facts have "I assumed it meant (insert inaccurate assumption) instead of what it actually said" to try and hold their arguments up.

I'm sorry to hear that the people who actually know how to read are in the minority, but that doesn't mean we're wrong. It just means the majority are idiots. And a large portion of that majority are people who didn't buy the Merc Pack and don't have any right to tell paying customers what rights they think we should have over our own purchases.

LOL.

Dude, you are just forcing an extraction of meaning from the AND clause... for your own interpretation. Any court would look at the intent at the time and it's clear a reset would have been expected -- and FFS every other refund involved a reset so use your brains and figure it out.

Just stop being an idiot.

Merc pack refunded in full after each chara reset and for commercial release

The 14th is commercial release but also you will be refunded the merc pack back because you are also getting a chara reset aswell

CCP gives you the merc pack back, but you get a full chara reset for commercial release

after each character reset and for the commercial release.

It just happens that the chara reset happens on the same day as the commercial release when you get your merc pack back

Source that says everyone's getting reset and not just the people who opt in for a reset to get their stuff back?

Because until that's confirmed, this is still a forced reset in exchange for something we were promised on purchase of the Merc Pack, which goes against the condition that "no other refund is permitted".

Its not a forced reset

Its an agreement, it just happens that commercial release means a reset for you to claim back the merc packs, you are getting the refund of the merc pack back

I dont have to claim my merc packs back because i didnt play internet lawyer and im happy with what i have

I still have everything that I might have wanted back. I'm not losing or gaining anything by pushing for this. I'm pressing the point because this ISN'T the deal that was agreed to on purchase.

What I'm asking for - and I'm not alone, in spite of some people seeming to think otherwise (I shouldn't have to say this when there have been several posters showing up supporting my argument) - is for CCP to actually honour the agreement they made. That's all. The current proposal is NOT what they agreed to when we gave them our money. Simple.

You'll notice I said "a forced reset IN EXCHANGE FOR SOMETHING WE WERE PROMISED" not just that it's a forced reset. If we want what was ORGIINALLY SPECIFIED AS PART OF THE DEAL WE PAID FOR, we have to take a reset that other players aren't subjected to. We either don't get what we paid for, or we lose something we had been offered, and which NON-PAYING CUSTOMERS STILL GET TO KEEP.

Cool story. As I said before, lrn2ingrish.

I used to know a guy who was better at understanding English than you after studying it for 2 weeks in France.

Non paying customers didnt buy the merc pack so thats invalid

You were promised a merc pack refund for reset/commercial release and you are getting that

We were promised a refund at commercial release.
We WEREN'T promised a reset at commercial release.
Non-paying customers don't have to give something up to keep their SP. People who bought the Merc Pack are being told we can either keep our SP or get the refund of the Merc Pack which they promised us on release.

That means they're adding a condition to the refund that wasn't specified at the time of purchase, and which doesn't fit with what was agreed to by CCP at that time.

bunch of hooey and mumbo jumbo that sounds vaguely quasi legalish

....... If you get your AUR refunded...... you would just buy more Boosters??? Unless you mean you don't get the AUR back if it was spent on a booster but I mean still....... ive got like 20k spent in my raven type 1 suit...... and thousands of AUR elsewhere..... so I mean..... I would still buy a crap ton of boosters given that its not like I would lose the stuff ive already bought.

They have the right to change conditions and it seems a reset is need for those who want merc packs back because CCP cannot calculate how much SP/ISK you gain from using the merc pack and its AUR

Plus now its really sounding like that you want another merc pack without taking a hit in SP or ISK

What I'm asking for is NOT to get any Boosters refunded. What the OP is asking for is NOT to get any Boosters refunded. We aren't asking for double the SP gains. We're asking for a FAIR solution that honours the agreement made without punishing paying customers for supporting a game before it was anywhere near ready for release.

The current solution is precisely fair. You can get everything back and start the newly released game from scratch like everyone else who wasn't in a beta -- as was promised.

Or, you can quit crying and decide you'd rather forgo the refund and keep the SP you gained during beta.

Except that's NOT what was promised.

We weren't promised a conditional refund that requires us to lose progress other players get to keep.

Except that's NOT what was promised.

We weren't promised a conditional refund that requires us to lose progress other players get to keep.

They didnt get the merc pack or are not playing internet lawyer and are happy with the SP/ISK

You have a choice, CCP has given you a choice for everyone who bought that merc pack

You are still asking for another merc pack without taking a hit to your chara

They didnt get the merc pack or are not playing internet lawyer and are happy with the SP/ISK

You have a choice, CCP has given you a choice for everyone who bought that merc pack

You are still asking for another merc pack without taking a hit to your chara

You weren't promised an unconditional refund.

You made the assumption, after the fact, that a reset would not be required. This was your own assumption made AFTER CCP suggested that we'd not have to undergo further resets.

I hope they realise their mistake, but with as many voices like yours ignoring the facts in favour of bowing down before the developers, I'm not sure they will.

I'm not bowing down before the developers... I'm looking at the facts and deciding you are out to lunch.

If you're looking at the fact's you must be looking the wrong way.

Actually let me try again you are confusing your facts as an opinion because you clearly can not see the true facts in front of you. Everything he has posted and my single post is true.

Legalese is open to interpretation. You have the option to not take your refund as originally conceived or take it as originally conceived.

Actually, you have the option to take your refund with an additional unwanted condition, or to forgo the refund to avoid said condition.