DUST Search - A solution to Mercenary Pack debacle we can all live with

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

I've already posted this tonight, but what the kitten...

lrn2ingrish.

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*IMPORTANT NOTICE: During beta periods, CCP may need to reset characters, skills and other items included in the DUST 514-« Mercenary Pack. DUST 514-« Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release. CCP cannot guarantee all items will be identical and reserves the right to substitute items of similar value. No other form of refund is permitted.

This is NOT ambiguous wording. It doesn't imply (in any way) that a character reset is required for the Merc Pack to be refunded on commercial release. The use of the word "and" in the context in which it's used implies the exact opposite - a refund of the Merc Pack's contents WITHOUT a reset.

Whether people chose to take it that way or not, that IS what the description said when I bought my Merc Pack, and it IS what the description said for many other customers buying the same product.

I'm not "parsing" the language, just reposting what was clearly stated and pointing out that it was clearly stated. People trying to argue against these facts have "I assumed it meant (insert inaccurate assumption) instead of what it actually said" to try and hold their arguments up.

I'm sorry to hear that the people who actually know how to read are in the minority, but that doesn't mean we're wrong. It just means the majority are idiots. And a large portion of that majority are people who didn't buy the Merc Pack and don't have any right to tell paying customers what rights they think we should have over our own purchases.


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Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 149	Posted - 2013.05.05 00:35:00 - [1] - Quote Look, most of us are just happy CCP found a way to let us keep our SP. Presumably the "SP sink" people are complaining about is how we can keep our SP and coexist with the presumed influx of new players. If you don't want to keep your SP -- then so be it. That's the choice I expect most of us will make. What that really means is that CCP has made a more attractive offer than getting your refund during the commercial release reset. However, don't let that stop you from QQing.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 156	Posted - 2013.05.05 10:29:00 - [2] - Quote Garrett, the solution CCP put forth IS one we can all live with. And no, you can't sit around and parse the language and unilaterally decide how it should be interpreted. Your view of the interpretation is clearly in the minority. At the time of writing it was likely assumed commercial release would bring a reset for the purpose of starting with a level playing field. Just stop QQing you big baby.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 158	Posted - 2013.05.05 10:40:00 - [3] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: I've already posted this tonight, but what the kitten... lrn2ingrish. Quote: *IMPORTANT NOTICE: During beta periods, CCP may need to reset characters, skills and other items included in the DUST 514-« Mercenary Pack. DUST 514-« Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release. CCP cannot guarantee all items will be identical and reserves the right to substitute items of similar value. No other form of refund is permitted. This is NOT ambiguous wording. It doesn't imply (in any way) that a character reset is required for the Merc Pack to be refunded on commercial release. The use of the word "and" in the context in which it's used implies the exact opposite - a refund of the Merc Pack's contents WITHOUT a reset. Whether people chose to take it that way or not, that IS what the description said when I bought my Merc Pack, and it IS what the description said for many other customers buying the same product. I'm not "parsing" the language, just reposting what was clearly stated and pointing out that it was clearly stated. People trying to argue against these facts have "I assumed it meant (insert inaccurate assumption) instead of what it actually said" to try and hold their arguments up. I'm sorry to hear that the people who actually know how to read are in the minority, but that doesn't mean we're wrong. It just means the majority are idiots. And a large portion of that majority are people who didn't buy the Merc Pack and don't have any right to tell paying customers what rights they think we should have over our own purchases. LOL. Dude, you are just forcing an extraction of meaning from the AND clause... for your own interpretation. Any court would look at the intent at the time and it's clear a reset would have been expected -- and FFS every other refund involved a reset so use your brains and figure it out. Just stop being an idiot.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 160	Posted - 2013.05.05 12:29:00 - [4] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Cool story. As I said before, lrn2ingrish. I used to know a guy who was better at understanding English than you after studying it for 2 weeks in France. Things aren't always what they seem once you get into legal issues. I'm reasonably good at parsing the meaning out of English and believe it or not I've successfully argued contractual issues against a law firm in the past... so this lrn2ingrish stuff is really pretty amusing. You've already lost but I guess you don't know it yet.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 160	Posted - 2013.05.05 13:24:00 - [5] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: What I'm asking for is NOT to get any Boosters refunded. What the OP is asking for is NOT to get any Boosters refunded. We aren't asking for double the SP gains. We're asking for a FAIR solution that honours the agreement made without punishing paying customers for supporting a game before it was anywhere near ready for release. The current solution is precisely fair. You can get everything back and start the newly released game from scratch like everyone else who wasn't in a beta -- as was promised. Or, you can quit crying and decide you'd rather forgo the refund and keep the SP you gained during beta.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 160	Posted - 2013.05.05 13:43:00 - [6] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Except that's NOT what was promised. We weren't promised a conditional refund that requires us to lose progress other players get to keep. You weren't promised an unconditional refund. You made the assumption, after the fact, that a reset would not be required. This was your own assumption made AFTER CCP suggested that we'd not have to undergo further resets.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 160	Posted - 2013.05.05 14:04:00 - [7] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: I hope they realise their mistake, but with as many voices like yours ignoring the facts in favour of bowing down before the developers, I'm not sure they will. I'm not bowing down before the developers... I'm looking at the facts and deciding you are out to lunch.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 160	Posted - 2013.05.05 14:16:00 - [8] - Quote TheReaper545 wrote: Actually let me try again you are confusing your facts as an opinion because you clearly can not see the true facts in front of you. Everything he has posted and my single post is true. Legalese is open to interpretation. You have the option to not take your refund as originally conceived or take it as originally conceived.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 160	Posted - 2013.05.05 14:43:00 - [9] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Actually, you have the option to take your refund with an additional unwanted condition, or to forgo the refund to avoid said condition. No, they did make one mistake and that was the wording of the announcement. They wen't out describing what they were doing for people and suggested taking the reset/refund as originally intended was an option. They should have said we're planning on offering one more reset/refund but you have the option of not taking that and instead keeping your SP under these other terms. However, I think they were lazy and knew the majority would not be silly enough to decide they still wanted the reset/refund (so they reversed it to have less manual effort). Regardless, wording aside, the two are equivalent so it doesn't matter anyway.