But this isn't a different "form of refund", the merc pack will be credited in full for release, just like the original agreement says. They have followed that agreement to the letter, nowhere does it say they can't reset characters.

It's a conditional credit of Merc Pack contents requiring a reset other players aren't subject to. That isn't the same as the refund agreed to.

Except getting a reset isn't a condition for being refunded, getting refunded is the condition for getting a reset.
Who would want a reset? I have no idea, but that's the way they worded it.

I suppose you could still say that it's a conditional refunded because they're letting you choose between "yes" and "no", and you only get it if you pick "yes"

Then again, I know nothing about law, so i'll shut up now

One thing though, I'm pretty sure "No other form of refund is permitted" simply means that they can't give you real life money, or just send you a PSN card or something, it must be done with in-game currency.

Not that they can't offer you other deals, regardless of how bad those deals might be.

we're going to offer you something far less worthwhile to you

You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, e.g., by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game. Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including without limitation all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP

They're offering to let you keep your stats in exchange for not getting a refund.

Is that something that's worthwhile to you? I don't know, but your opinion on it doesn't matter either way. CCP gets to decide the "value" of your time in game, not you.

So if they decide that the value of the merc pack is of equal to worth to everything on the character you use, then they can make such a deal, because they're changing the merc pack for something "of equal value" i.e. the time you've played and anything you gained from it.

"But CCP isn't resetting other people", this is true, but CCP doesn't actually need a justifiable reason to adjust anybodies stats/SP/assets, they simply can, because none of us have any "interest" in the value of our time. Everything on the characters we use belongs to them, and they can do whatever they want to any of our characters.

This isn't exactly a good way to build PR or trust, but I'm pretty sure that they haven't broken any laws or agreements. Then again, I'm no lawyer

Wah wah wah...I wanna go home...I want my milk and cookies...I want my mama...I'm not motivated...I'm not dedicated...

This is what you really sound like. Seriously.

Sincerely,

Proud Owner of 4 Merc Packs (Who Doesn't Feel He Got Cheated...In Any Way, Shape or Form)
"Have a Nice Day "

So you like getting bent over and ****** in the ass? Interesting.

imo the way they did it is fine. CCP said they'd reset AUR/Merc Packs, and now they are. There was nothing about having a reset or not when the game went full release.

If that's hard to understand, perhaps an example might help.

> CCP intended to reset SP, ISK and items for everyone, along with merc packs/aur on full release
> CCP decided the players did not want their characters reset again
> CCP gave the players an option not to have a reset, and put that as the default
> CCP is still doing the reset for those who want it

I'm not defending CCP, I just love your tears. Get pwnd. I am probably going to reset an alt, but I find this QQ amusing.

Does that mean you like it rough? cause you're getting it in the ass too

if you had an idea, you should have brought it up a month ago when ccp was asking what a good solution was. the OP sounds like QQing to me, but then every aurum warrior sounds like a qqer...

I think it's worth mentioning that the proposed solution in this thread ISN'T a new idea, and is one that's been suggested multiple times by multiple Merc Pack buyers, myself included, going almost all the way back to when CCP first announced "no more resets". So this WAS an option we'd put on the table as an acceptable solution, whereas the "solution" CCP are going with was almost entirely based on people whining that it's "unfair" to let customers who picked the game up early any more of a headstart than we already got when all our progress was still getting repeatedly reset.

The actual solution they went with was something I, a closed-beta merc pack buyer, suggested and found support amongst many other merc pack buyers.

Too bad your side lost, we won.

I refuse to believe that anyone who bought a Merc Pack thought to themselves upon using it "Man I can't wait to get all my boosters and AUR back when the game hits commercial release AND keep all my hard-earned boosted SP just like the terms and conditions said because I was sure to go over them with a fine-toothed comb!"

Obviously CCP won't wipe everyone clean again because that would cause a lot of the userbase to quit as they feel they've invested too much time to start over again. However, after the last reset they clearly said there would be no more resets barring extreme circumstances so anyone who disregarded that and proceeded to use up all their boosters and AUR in the most inefficient way possible has no right to complain. The whole commercial release argument was on precisely zero people's minds when they started using up their AUR.

I think you are missing the point. Most ppl are not upset that they lost money. Most ppl are upset because they were lied to and betrayed. But I do like your post and an honest effort to reach a compromise and be fair to all sides.

this is nothing the collectors edition really made me mad

Garrett, the solution CCP put forth IS one we can all live with.

And no, you can't sit around and parse the language and unilaterally decide how it should be interpreted. Your view of the interpretation is clearly in the minority. At the time of writing it was likely assumed commercial release would bring a reset for the purpose of starting with a level playing field.

Just stop QQing you big baby.

*IMPORTANT NOTICE: During beta periods, CCP may need to reset characters, skills and other items included in the DUST 514-« Mercenary Pack. DUST 514-« Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release. CCP cannot guarantee all items will be identical and reserves the right to substitute items of similar value. No other form of refund is permitted.