Ive read it all and basically almost every skill is getting upped by a multiplier or two. Dropsuits are going from a x8 skill to a x10, this means from level 1 to level 5 your going to spend about another 600k sp. (2.5million to 3.1 million). The core electronics/engineering skill is getting bumped up from a x1 skill to a x6 skill...... (another 1.2 million). Weapons are staying the same I believe, but weapon upgrade skills seemed to be bumped up too...... (considering there isn't an "overarching" sharpshooter anymore, each weapon has its own specific sharpshooter/other upgrades).

I have about 10,500,000 SP because I missed two weeks of this beta, so I don't have as much as I could, but 10 mill is still a lot. After reading the dev blogs and everything..... it feels like a lot less. It forces specialization for sure, but many view it as a pointless SP sink due to a lack of new content. Personally I feel the SP increases (while annoying) are fine, it slows down progression but increases player specialization.

what do you guys think? I think its fair.

It is simple.

This is so CCP can make more money through micro-transactions by all you fools buying Boosters.

It's a profit margin thing. Not a game thing.

I think people who don't play this game like a religion are ******.

Unless everyone's in PC and not pub stomping

hurts new players the most, therefore is bad.


free to play game, people wont stick around if it feels like a grind

Free game.

I think people who don't play this game like a religion are ******.

Unless everyone's in PC and not pub stomping

I disagree with the new players being hurt, because the requirement for the itens aren't that high, therefore allowingnew players to get into a basic suit and still been able to contribute to the team as hardcore players won't have a way to truly stomp them. If they have playerskill to compensate obviously.

Llan Heindell.

I think they should have held off until they had matchmaking down. This will worsen pub stomps

hurts new players the most, therefore is bad.


free to play game, people wont stick around if it feels like a grind

think of it as a ratio man, sure the people with less SP will get less, but that applys to people with more SP as well. Lets put it this way. Before you had your proto hardcore player stomp the adv level casual player. Now because its increased SP requirements it will be ADV level hardcore player stomping a standard level casual player. Same constant, just a few different variables, make sense?

It is simple.

This is so CCP can make more money through micro-transactions by all you fools buying Boosters.

It's a profit margin thing. Not a game thing.

When this game goes live on the 14th and after there is going to be a lot of people that just start the game and have zero skill points.

I think this move is catering to those people who already have skill points and ccp wants to put some speed bumps up but those people who just join with zero are going to look at this as a huge mountain to climb and will drop out potentially.

New players will not have a place in planetary conquest for a long time because they would need to be competitive with proto everything

Ive read it all and basically almost every skill is getting upped by a multiplier or two. Dropsuits are going from a x8 skill to a x10, this means from level 1 to level 5 your going to spend about another 600k sp. (2.5million to 3.1 million). The core electronics/engineering skill is getting bumped up from a x1 skill to a x6 skill...... (another 1.2 million). Weapons are staying the same I believe, but weapon upgrade skills seemed to be bumped up too...... (considering there isn't an "overarching" sharpshooter anymore, each weapon has its own specific sharpshooter/other upgrades).

I have about 10,500,000 SP because I missed two weeks of this beta, so I don't have as much as I could, but 10 mill is still a lot. After reading the dev blogs and everything..... it feels like a lot less. It forces specialization for sure, but many view it as a pointless SP sink due to a lack of new content. Personally I feel the SP increases (while annoying) are fine, it slows down progression but increases player specialization.

what do you guys think? I think its fair.

I you should actually want to aspire to get to the top end of your profession.

Im sure its a profit thing but I don't blame em really, it also lengthens the game for new and old players.. If they do this again then sure that would be ridiculous but this is "official launch" the majorority of the veteran players knew this was going to happen .. Especially when we are sitting at 11m SP and me personally having proto suit,AR and MD and not caring to spec into anything else was kind of sad for a game as big as Dust is going to be..


So, is it fair ? I think so, because its not our fault those "new players" didn't jump on board earlier and support the game like us veterans have.. Sure I feel sorry for em but the ones I personally know I warned em and begged for them to at least keep their passive booster alive for a time like this when the game was going to improve.. Regardless how you spin it there is still a large gear gap between new and old players but this is how a persistent/MMOish shooter works... CCP needs to make sure match making works and proto is a rare and expensive thing to see on the field of pub matches..

its got nothing to do with this. Its about extending the grind.

I have no problem with increasing multipliers for next level skills. For core skills it makes no sense. it delays people getting on and enjoying the game. Its enjoyment that will create longevity, not an sp grind/ sink.

That's an excellent question Marston. A deep question. I'm gonna try and give you a comprehensive answer and I hope I can make some sense into this hot topic. But before I go there I'd like to address this whole notion of something people call "SP sink". What the hell is that? I mean, isn't everything an SP sink? I might be a little bit stupid here or something but I can't make the difference between an SP sink skill and a normal skill! I'm gonna be blunt here and answer my own question for you guys out there around the world: "SP sink" is a BS buzzword created by people who are pissed off cause their skill points got devalued!

hurts new players the most, therefore is bad.


free to play game, people wont stick around if it feels like a grind

I'd like to try and adress that by providing a working definition of the term "SP sink"

I'd call an "SP sink" any skill that provides no specialization and that, when not skilled, puts one in an inherent disadvantage over someone that invested in that particular skill in many/most situations.

Looking at the current SS and Weaponry bonuses, no footsoldier can afford not to put SP in those particular skills, in order to be competitive, as there is no situation in wich doing more damage or having higher range is a bad thing. So these two, i think, are indeed "SP sinks" and their removal/redesign is a good thing.

Suitskills are for specilization primarily and provide very specific advantages that by themselves are often situational, so using them is a decision, not a necessity. Therefore i'd object to calling them "SP sinks" . Wether or not their cost will be too high once Uprising hits is somewhat subjective and i haven't played the game enough to provide meaningfull analysis in that regard.

Fitting skills are somewhat of a middle ground since they don't necessarily specialize but also don't guarantee a significant disadvantage if left out. A cheaper fitting is not bound to be weaker than a more tightly fitted one and it is only a matter of time before ****fit threads show up to demonstrate that.

Ive read it all and basically almost every skill is getting upped by a multiplier or two. Dropsuits are going from a x8 skill to a x10, this means from level 1 to level 5 your going to spend about another 600k sp. (2.5million to 3.1 million). The core electronics/engineering skill is getting bumped up from a x1 skill to a x6 skill...... (another 1.2 million). Weapons are staying the same I believe, but weapon upgrade skills seemed to be bumped up too...... (considering there isn't an "overarching" sharpshooter anymore, each weapon has its own specific sharpshooter/other upgrades).

I have about 10,500,000 SP because I missed two weeks of this beta, so I don't have as much as I could, but 10 mill is still a lot. After reading the dev blogs and everything..... it feels like a lot less. It forces specialization for sure, but many view it as a pointless SP sink due to a lack of new content. Personally I feel the SP increases (while annoying) are fine, it slows down progression but increases player specialization.

what do you guys think? I think its fair.

nobody wants those players to stick around. this is more of a 'i'm here for the challenge' type of title.